One Guns n' Roses ticket cost me almost the same amt as all four PJ Fenway and Wrigley Shows

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

I think a lot of people on here would have nothing to do with Mother Love Bone if they didn't have the PJ connection. Just sayin'. I know I don't like MLB.

Yup

pearlgirl52

Hey now, I see everyones point about not liking MLB if it weren't for PJ, however, I would never say I like something just because it has to do with PJ. I f@#king love MLB. I might not have discovered them without PJ, but that's it. I love the music I love because it's subjective... I discovered it on my own. Not because my parent or boyfriend got me into them. I don't pretend to like anything for anyone elses benefit. I got myself into them. And I don't give a f@ck what anyone else says about what I love! Now back to GnR...

hedonist

2-feign-reluctance said:

Poncier said:

hedonist said:

rummy said:

Aerosmith has got to fit in here somewhere!

Nope, I would have to draw the line with them.

Get a grip, man.

These comments really got me living on the edge...

Too much! No more, no more...

I think Slash kicks ass in terms of talent. Would LOVE to see him and McCready go to town together.

(not in that way)

coco butter

RKCNDY

hedonist said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

Poncier said:

hedonist said:

rummy said:

Aerosmith has got to fit in here somewhere!

Nope, I would have to draw the line with them.

Get a grip, man.

These comments really got me living on the edge...

Too much! No more, no more...

I think Slash kicks ass in terms of talent. Would LOVE to see him and McCready go to town together.

(not in that way)

No love in an elevator?

hedonist

RKCNDY said:

hedonist said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

Poncier said:

hedonist said:

rummy said:

Aerosmith has got to fit in here somewhere!

Nope, I would have to draw the line with them.

Get a grip, man.

These comments really got me living on the edge...

Too much! No more, no more...

I think Slash kicks ass in terms of talent. Would LOVE to see him and McCready go to town together.

(not in that way)

No love in an elevator?

Pfft! Like the mile-high club - same old story, same old song and dance.

(my friend )

mwplum

I was able to get PIT tickets today for the Seattle show in the Live Nation App presale!!! Couldn't resist, have been waiting so long for this! Guess I could change the title of this thread to "2 GnR tickets have cost me the same amount as 8 PJ shows -- MSG x2 , Philly x2 , 2 Fenway, and 2 Wrigley"

Thankfully I didn't go to hardly any shows last year, so there's money saved for going to 14 PJ shows this year and GnR in Seattle. Will definitely have a good pair to sell now for Seattle.

Love how this thread has evolved. Very interesting and comical takes.

PS: TOUR STARTS TOMORROW!!! Can't wait to see posters and set lists up til Lexington and shows after that!

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

I think a lot of people on here would have nothing to do with Mother Love Bone if they didn't have the PJ connection. Just sayin'. I know I don't like MLB.

I agree, and I don't like MLB either. I've always found the very extreme fondness for that band among PJ fans somewhat perplexing. They were okay at best.

wndowpayne

HughFreakingDillon said:

DewieCox said:

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

DewieCox said:

rgambs said:

Merkin Baller said:

rgambs said:

If November Rain isn't a classic power ballad, then there is no such thing!

Again, I am not saying GNR sucks, they can be very entertaining and some Slash licks are immortally good...
But let's take the rose-tinted glasses off and be real about who and what they were, and how they fit into the musical landscape of their time.

Honest question: if you weren't there for it, as it was happening, how would you have any sort of perspective for how they fit into the musical landscape of their time? How can you 'be real about who and what they were' if you weren't around to see how they compared to everything else on the radio in 1986?

You're entitled to your opinion, as I'm entitled to mine, and if you think a band like Blind Melon had more influence on '90s alternative music than GNR, I feel like you're the one wearing the rose colored glasses. (Bear in mind, I'm a fan of Blind Melon too)

(Fun fact: did you know Shannon Hoon was a backup singer for GNR before Blind Melon got their break? Maybe GNR were more influential on your music than you realize.)

It's called objectivity. Hindsight is very nice for seeing things as they WERE without the bias that is inherited from experiencing how they were PERCEIVED at the time.
They were definitely a step in the right direction, and a huge influence on the music scene that was coming, but they weren't that scene, they were the last glorious blast of the old scene.

No, it's really not and youve shown an insane amount of bias to even try to to declare that.

I was 5-10 years old during GnR's heyday so I don't really have that nostalgic connection from that time period. I have listened to their music and grown to appreciate it in my own time and I just don't hear the comparisons you're trying to make. They're just not there. From the music, to the lyrical content, to their image....it's much closer to 90s bands than the hair/glam metal guys. Sure, it had some 80s flair to it, but so did a lot of the other guys that are now early 90s alt rock heroes.

I have articulated many things which are more similar to "hair" than "grunge", but the only argument that has been posed to articulate the difference between GNR and the hair bands is that they were more raw.
That is a quantitative argument, not qualitative.
What quality does GNR have that is different from the hair bands?
As an example, Radiohead abandoned the hard rock power guitar cliche for haunting melodies and a stripped down style. Nirvana abandoned the excessive party ethos for a more ascetic rock ethic, and they stripped the formula down to a 3 man distortion machine.
Those are qualitative differences, saying GNR was rawer and more explosive is a quantitative difference. They shared the dangerous, party hard, rock n roll mentality, with the classic hair band components (screeching vocals and guitar leads).
To say they were heavier, drawer, more dangerous, etc only makes them the best hair band, it doesn't set them apart.

I don't hate GNR, I don't see why we can't have a discussion about their music without people getting so butthurt.

I have to agree that you're just off on this. I know it's your opinion, but it's wrong. GnR wasn't simply like the hair bands but more raw. They were something completely different altogether, and one of the things that made them that was that they were more raw. But that was far from the only thing. Lol, no worries, not butt hurt. But I'm just getting the impression that you're not quite clear on what they were like or what kind of impression they made at the time. I guess it's all collectively been said in this thread, so no need to go over it again... just sayin', really. They simply were not a hair band. They DEFINITELY were not the last hurrah of the hair bands as you suggest. They were the beginning of something different, not the end of something old.

But what can you point to besides an intangible feeling, that separates them?

What kind of impression they made at the time doesn't seem relevant to me, impressions are often wrong.

Their sound, substance and style. They don't sound like a hair band, they don't write songs the same way as a hair band and they don't look anymore like a hair band than your typical rocker of the day.

If we're gonna dismiss the impression they made at the time, then nothing means anything at all. It's really a ludicrous argument. Not only that, plenty of people who are much older and younger are taking the same stance as people that were 15-24 in 1987.

But jesus, I listened to Coma on repeat for an entire day. fucking brilliant piece of music.

Saw them in 91 before the discs were released..Greensboro,NC..3 1/2 hour show..incredible honestly..they did Coma and it was amazing...explained by Axl that it was written before Appetite was released and he was indeed contemplating suicide..

FoxyRedLa

What love of MLB are we talking about? A little Chloe and Crown love?

cp3iverson

Coma is brilliant. It takes an artist to create 9 minute tunes that hold your interest. Axl wrote like four of those. Lyrics are great.

my2hands

TJ25487 said:

My 2 cents: GNR is not a hair band. If anything they should be classified as classic rock like AC/DC etc. Their Appetite for Destruction album was groundbreaking similar to PJ's Ten and then they made good follow up's with Use your IIlusions 1 & 2 and that's about it.

Appetite was bigger and more groundbreaking than Ten...

It was massive

TJ25487

my2hands said:

TJ25487 said:

My 2 cents: GNR is not a hair band. If anything they should be classified as classic rock like AC/DC etc. Their Appetite for Destruction album was groundbreaking similar to PJ's Ten and then they made good follow up's with Use your IIlusions 1 & 2 and that's about it.

Appetite was bigger and more groundbreaking than Ten...

It was massive

That's why I said "similar" to PJ. Haha!

Mignelli14

I feel dirty bringing this to the forefront on opening day for the boys, but is anyone else online trying for tickets?

rustneversleeps

Mignelli14 said:

I feel dirty bringing this to the forefront on opening day for the boys, but is anyone else online trying for tickets?

already got them, but i'm trying for pit anyway at 10 am.

pearlgirl52

Mignelli14 said:

I feel dirty bringing this to the forefront on opening day for the boys, but is anyone else online trying for tickets?

Yes, sir. Don't feel dirty about it either.

Zod

Mignelli14 said:

I feel dirty bringing this to the forefront on opening day for the boys, but is anyone else online trying for tickets?

There's been a number of presales all week long, and I got successively better tickets in each one (ended up getting left side pit tickets during yesterdays presale). I might try to day to see if any right side pit tix come up, but at this point I don't think my tickets can get much better.

Mignelli14

Wow 10:07 and I'm pulling up only seats extremely beside the stage. Pretty happy with my seat - 100 level straight back but up 36 rows so hopefully I have a good sightline. Sound should be good too

on2legs

my2hands said:

TJ25487 said:

My 2 cents: GNR is not a hair band. If anything they should be classified as classic rock like AC/DC etc. Their Appetite for Destruction album was groundbreaking similar to PJ's Ten and then they made good follow up's with Use your IIlusions 1 & 2 and that's about it.

Appetite was bigger and more groundbreaking than Ten...

It was massive

But Ten is better.

weddingparade

just to see the spectacle i will be there...