One Guns n' Roses ticket cost me almost the same amt as all four PJ Fenway and Wrigley Shows

dankind

http://youtu.be/Vj7_A-3rar4

bobby dazzlers

Shakescky said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

november rain was one drop in the bucket of Axl's extreme self indulgence at the time. not only the song itself, but have you seen the video? jumping off an aircraft carrier into an ocean of dolphins? HAHA.

the music video for "estranged" involved the dolphins. i for one have no problem with the dolphins.

I had a problem with one of those dolphins!

Poncier

bobby dazzlers said:

Shakescky said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

november rain was one drop in the bucket of Axl's extreme self indulgence at the time. not only the song itself, but have you seen the video? jumping off an aircraft carrier into an ocean of dolphins? HAHA.

the music video for "estranged" involved the dolphins. i for one have no problem with the dolphins.

I had a problem with one of those dolphins!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGepBtBCuTY

pearlgirl52

The 80's is probably my least favorite decade of music actually, not to say there wasn't plenty of good music that came out of that decade (ie Metallica, U2, REM, etc), but GnR is a standout. And no, I wasn't even alive in the 80's, hell I wasn't alive the first 5 years of Pearl Jam's career either. Yet that's the music that has had a bigger impact on me than anything that was going on in the music scene during my youth. If songs like "Civil War", "Sweet Child O Mine", "Patience", "You Could be Mine" are considered "hair metal" or whatever people are calling it, then I'm not embarrassed to say I like hair bands! Cheers, everyone!

TJ25487

My 2 cents: GNR is not a hair band. If anything they should be classified as classic rock like AC/DC etc. Their Appetite for Destruction album was groundbreaking similar to PJ's Ten and then they made good follow up's with Use your IIlusions 1 & 2 and that's about it.

HughFreakingDillon

Spaghetti Incident is actually my favourite record of theirs. mainly because it shows their influences. no hair band would have recorded punk classics like they did. Cinderella and Fastere Pussycat wouldn't even have known who those artists were.

High Fidelity 2000

Merkin Baller said:

So the impressions that people got of GNR at the time are irrelevant, but the impression someone has 20 years after the fact IS somehow relevant?

That's some pretty awesome logic right there.

PJ_Soul said:

Merkin Baller said:

rgambs said:

jerparker20 said:

rgambs said:

DewieCox said:

You've mentioned the things they have in common with hair metal and those comparisons have been rejected across the board. Bottom line, when most of us listen to the music we don't hear the musical comparisons you're making. About every band is subject to the times when it comes to their image.

The lyrical content and their offstage behavior isn't all that different from bands like AIC or Nirvana or PJ. If you think those 90s guys weren't partying their asses off, then your naivety is alarming. Axl was writing about the negatives of the junkie lifestyle and had a lot of political lyrics and much darker themes than the bands you're trying to compare to, He wasn't writing Girls,Girls, Girls...he was writing My Michelle.

Nobody is getting butthurt, but it can be annoying when you lay out facts and they're dismissed by someone that claims to want an open discussion.

So they don't fall into the hair band tropes of high falsetto singing, screeching powerful guitar solos, unremarkable (comparatively) rhythm section and a party image/ frequent song theme???

Dude. Why are you so hell bent on trying to classify music into silos? Who cares if GNR is a "hair band" hard rock, or whatever. They made some kick ass music during their run and lots of people loved it and still do. So does it matter if they where this type of band or that type of band? If you want to use your logic, PJ, Radiohead, and Tool could be classifield as "arena rock" since they only play arenas and large festivals thus placing them in the same category of music as Journey, Def Leppard and KISS. And at the end of the day; who cares what it's called. Just like all others forms of art there's stuff you like and stuff you don't.

As for the impact of Appetite and GNR, for me it opened up a whole new world of music. I was 11 when it came out. An aunt who was maybe 20-21 at the time found my stashed dubbed copy of Appetite while visiting. (I grew up in a very religious household in a small rural town so GNR was clearly the work of the devil and thus banished from the home so I had to stash my copy I got from a friend's older brother inside of the box spring of my bed.) She then introduced me to Zepplin, Sabbath, and Metallica. I then discovered the Misfits and punk. That album opened up a lot of musically doors for me.

For the same reason people are so hell bent on classifying them out of a particular solo...I have an opinion and I think it's right

Seriously though, labels can be uncomfortable for those put into them, but I disagree with the general desire nowadays to avoid classifying anything. Putting things in certain classes allows for comparison and dissection of the patterns and characteristics that define them.

Blind Melon was just another '90s wannabe hippie band no different from the Spin Doctors. Both had awesome bass players, both had members w/ long hair. Both wrote catchy radio friendly tunes. There you go.

Oh my god, you're being facetious, yes? I believe and hope so!

Of course I'm being facetious, we all know Spin Doctors had more influence on '90s alt rock than GNR and Blind Melon combined.

: )

Hey I LIKE the Spin Doctors more than GNR and Blind Melon. Their singer is obviously the weak link but as a core 3 piece band, they were a tight jammy unit. They put out a blues album a couple years ago and it's not bad.

And PS: GNR not a hair band. Just because they had big hair in the first video. Their music is too heavy to be a hair band.

Hobbes

The PJC metal heads have declared Appetite one of the best heavy metal albums all time, in fact, it cracked the top 10. It's over in Other Music..... you're welcome.

Drowned Out

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spaghetti Incident is actually my favourite record of theirs. mainly because it shows their influences. no hair band would have recorded punk classics like they did. Cinderella and Fastere Pussycat wouldn't even have known who those artists were.

The Spaghetti Incident also contains covers of songs by the New York Dolls and their frontman Johnny Thunder – largely considered the godfathers of glam (and a major influence on a band like Faster Pussycat).
Like I said before, people will go out of their way to convince others that the 80s bands they like shouldn’t be considered hair metal, when hair metal is pretty much the same as grunge: an awkward genre of diverse hard rock bands with a wide range of influences, lumped together by record company marketers because of their clothes and hairstyles - clothes and hairstyles that were a product of the time period as much as any attempt to be part of a movement...at least for the first one or two ‘waves’ of each genre, before those same marketers start scraping the bottom of the barrel to milk every penny from their creation's popularity. There are a ton of derivative imitators in both genres, with a limited number of talented artists driving the trends.
Hair metal evolved from 70’s glam, incorporating punk, pop, and classic (blues) rock influences – many of the same influences members of PJ and other 90's bands would claim later on.

rummy

Aerosmith has got to fit in here somewhere!

hedonist

rummy said:

Aerosmith has got to fit in here somewhere!

Nope, I would have to draw the line with them.

glennb2112

Ehh Guns and Roses had one epic album a singer who could have transended music but let his ego get in the way. 15 years ago was their time. No thanks.

dankind

hedonist said:

rummy said:

Aerosmith has got to fit in here somewhere!

Nope, I would have to draw the line with them.

Yeah, you'd be the last child to support that notion.

Some folks here have certainly got some toys in the attic, though.

Me, I let the music do the talking.

Poncier

hedonist said:

rummy said:

Aerosmith has got to fit in here somewhere!

Nope, I would have to draw the line with them.

Get a grip, man.

lolobugg

Poncier said:

hedonist said:

rummy said:

Aerosmith has got to fit in here somewhere!

Nope, I would have to draw the line with them.

Get a grip, man.

But none of you are looking at the Other Side of this....
GNR are Back in the Saddle after 20+ years.
tickets are gonna be expensive.

2-feign-reluctance

Poncier said:

hedonist said:

rummy said:

Aerosmith has got to fit in here somewhere!

Nope, I would have to draw the line with them.

Get a grip, man.

These comments really got me living on the edge...

PJ_Soul

2-feign-reluctance said:

Poncier said:

hedonist said:

rummy said:

Aerosmith has got to fit in here somewhere!

Nope, I would have to draw the line with them.

Get a grip, man.

These comments really got me living on the edge...

(I like Aerosmith!)

HughFreakingDillon

Drowned Out said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spaghetti Incident is actually my favourite record of theirs. mainly because it shows their influences. no hair band would have recorded punk classics like they did. Cinderella and Fastere Pussycat wouldn't even have known who those artists were.

The Spaghetti Incident also contains covers of songs by the New York Dolls and their frontman Johnny Thunder – largely considered the godfathers of glam (and a major influence on a band like Faster Pussycat).
Like I said before, people will go out of their way to convince others that the 80s bands they like shouldn’t be considered hair metal, when hair metal is pretty much the same as grunge: an awkward genre of diverse hard rock bands with a wide range of influences, lumped together by record company marketers because of their clothes and hairstyles - clothes and hairstyles that were a product of the time period as much as any attempt to be part of a movement...at least for the first one or two ‘waves’ of each genre, before those same marketers start scraping the bottom of the barrel to milk every penny from their creation's popularity. There are a ton of derivative imitators in both genres, with a limited number of talented artists driving the trends.
Hair metal evolved from 70’s glam, incorporating punk, pop, and classic (blues) rock influences – many of the same influences members of PJ and other 90's bands would claim later on.

of course everything evolves from everything before it, but the 80's hair bands are nowhere near what the NYD were. those bands are more of a parody of them.

hey, I listened to hair metal back in the day. many of my friends listen to "hair nation" like it's a fucking religion. I don't like all grunge bands, but I know this: almost all hair metal had a formula. grunge bands, while having the some of the same tonality, actually sounded different from each other.

HughFreakingDillon

I think a lot of people on here would have nothing to do with Mother Love Bone if they didn't have the PJ connection. Just sayin'. I know I don't like MLB.

2-feign-reluctance

HughFreakingDillon said:

I think a lot of people on here would have nothing to do with Mother Love Bone if they didn't have the PJ connection. Just sayin'. I know I don't like MLB.

I think that's truth. I dug in after falling in love with PJ and love them. The only related project I don't like is Green River. Ugh. Not that great.