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That Time When Sad Should've Been The First Single Off Binaural...

PhishinPearlsPhishinPearls Posts: 60
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...but it wasn't. Yeah, that was a swing and a miss.
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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,818
    PhishinPearls said:

    ...but it wasn't. Yeah, that was a swing and a miss.

    If Brendan was the producer of that album. I believe it would definitely be on the album. And a few other changes. It definitely wouldn't be named Binaural though. As I don't think they would have tried that technique
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  • AndySlashAndySlash Posts: 3,236
    following up a single about a deceased love with a new single about a deceased love? that would have been a bold strategy, cotton. wish i could have seen how it would pay off for them.

    putting sad after last kiss on a mixtape makes a lot of sense, though.
  • ceskaceska Posts: 1,115
    Probably would not have gone over as well as a string of songs about incest, the homeless, and a suicide, but it still might've done pretty good because Sad kicks ass as song.

  • pjalive21pjalive21 Posts: 2,818
    that one time you were wrong :pensive:
  • PhishinPearlsPhishinPearls Posts: 60
    pjalive21 said:

    that one time you were wrong :pensive:

    Tell me which song on that album is more listenable to a wider audience, yet still shows off the band's essence and energy.
  • primussucksprimussucks Posts: 2,356
    PhishinPearls said:

    pjalive21 said:

    that one time you were wrong :pensive:

    Tell me which song on that album is more listenable to a wider audience, yet still shows off the band's essence and energy.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    some b-sides are strong enough to stand on their own
  • FoxyRedLaFoxyRedLa Posts: 4,810
    Tough crowd.
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  • darthvedderdarthvedder Posts: 2,557
    Letter To The Dead should have been the first single.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,404
    I thought NAIS as the first single was an absolutely terrible choice. my vote would have been for light years or grievance.
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  • pearldavidsonpearldavidson Posts: 1,366
    I agree with the OP, but could care less
  • AndySlashAndySlash Posts: 3,236
    how much less?
  • pearldavidsonpearldavidson Posts: 1,366
    AndySlash said:

    how much less?

    I'm just glad they eventually released the song.
  • darthvedderdarthvedder Posts: 2,557
    In before all the "Puzzles & Games is better than Light Years" nonsense.
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,818
    darthvedder said:

    In before all the "Puzzles & Games is better than Light Years" nonsense.

    I also think had Brendan been the producer that version would have made the cut. I love both though
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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,818
    primussucks said:

    PhishinPearls said:

    pjalive21 said:

    that one time you were wrong :pensive:

    Tell me which song on that album is more listenable to a wider audience, yet still shows off the band's essence and energy.
    Insignificance
    I thought that should have been the first or second single after NAIS and not the B side.
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  • wecrazybobwecrazybob Posts: 1,027
    edited March 2016
    To me Grievance was a single cause I taped it on Letterman and watched over and over, before
    Binaural.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,404
    wecrazybob said:

    To me Grievance was a single cause I taped it on Letterman and watched over and over, before
    Binaural.

    I did the same thing! that version was sick.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • EarlWelshEarlWelsh Posts: 1,118
    Never been a huge fan of Sad. It's an okay song to me. I don't think it was a mistake to not put it in the album.
  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,152
    Never sounded like a single to me. I'm actually fine with NAIS.
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  • 1STmammal2wearPants1STmammal2wearPants Posts: 2,938
    I don't know about a single, but it had a place on that album more so than Evacuation :\
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  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,152
    1STmammal2wearPants said:

    I don't know about a single, but it had a place on that album more so than Evacuation :\

    Not only on the album, but the third track!
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  • Wma31394Wma31394 Posts: 3,045
    Who cares what "album" songs there are. They are a live band anyway. Besides if they cared about which singles to release they never would have released who you are as the first single from no code.
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  • pjalive21pjalive21 Posts: 2,818
    PhishinPearls said:

    pjalive21 said:

    that one time you were wrong :pensive:

    Tell me which song on that album is more listenable to a wider audience, yet still shows off the band's essence and energy.
    I was messing with you on my post wasn't being serious, but I agree with others that Grievance would have been a good first single.... I have no issues with Sad just not as a first single

  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,152
    Wma31394 said:

    Who cares what "album" songs there are. They are a live band anyway. Besides if they cared about which singles to release they never would have released who you are as the first single from no code.

    I was just actually thinking the same thing. Recently I ranked all the albums and came up with the first five (ten --> yield) ranking higher than the last five. But the live shows are longer and better than ever IMO.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,404
    SVRDhand13 said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Who cares what "album" songs there are. They are a live band anyway. Besides if they cared about which singles to release they never would have released who you are as the first single from no code.

    I was just actually thinking the same thing. Recently I ranked all the albums and came up with the first five (ten --> yield) ranking higher than the last five. But the live shows are longer and better than ever IMO.
    True. However what percentage of songs played at a show are from the first five albums? Pj tends to skip over albums 6, 7 and 8 and album 9 gets played less and less.
    The song selection this tour should be really interesting since they aren't supporting lb anymore.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,152
    mcgruff10 said:

    SVRDhand13 said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Who cares what "album" songs there are. They are a live band anyway. Besides if they cared about which singles to release they never would have released who you are as the first single from no code.

    I was just actually thinking the same thing. Recently I ranked all the albums and came up with the first five (ten --> yield) ranking higher than the last five. But the live shows are longer and better than ever IMO.
    True. However what percentage of songs played at a show are from the first five albums? Pj tends to skip over albums 6, 7 and 8 and album 9 gets played less and less.
    The song selection this tour should be really interesting since they aren't supporting lb anymore.
    True, they are played less but at least they are still in the rotation somewhat. SOngs that come to mind- Unthought Known, Got Some, Life Wasted, Severed Hand, I Am Mine, Come Back, Save You, Light Years)
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    2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
    2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
    2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
    2017: RRHoF 4/7   2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4   2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18 
    2022: MSG 9/11  2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,680
    Down should've been the first single from Riot Act
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,898
    "NAIS" is one of my favorite PJ songs and I loved it as the first single. While I think "Sad" is a great song, I don't wish it had been on Binaural. I think it's got a very nice home on Lost Dogs. It would have been fine on Binaural, but I don't think that Binaural is lacking in any way. Same goes for "Down" and Riot Act.
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  • PJ-CubsPJ-Cubs Posts: 3,316
    Sad is an awesome song. Would love to hear it in Miami or FtL.
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