Maybe if it was Cruz or Rubio, but since religion is taking a back seat this go around, I doubt there will be a Great Awakening in the U.S.
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We'll see what happens tonight but to date Trump is still getting less than half of the Republican primary vote. He isn't running away with anything. So I question if anything has truly been awoken.
that's still about 25% of the population, his followers mimic an awakening in the fact that they seem to ignore everything horrendous he says or does.
The OP seems to be overgeneralizing without any actual references. Things usually pendulum swing left to right, with the overall trend going left.
what do you want me to cite sources? All that was in my OP was well known historical fact, and opinion marked with phrases like "I think".
Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I'm not a religious historian, but I haven't heard of the 3rd and 4th awakening. I don't think there's anything going on recently that suggest an awakening. Trump is just appealing to fearful xenophobes that voted for the most conservative Republican in the past.
What a cop out. Humans are perfectly capable of being peaceful and non-violent. Our intellectial capacity isnfar beyond what you are talking about. I think blaming nature on bad behaviour among humans is the worst excuse for assholery ever conceived in the history of excuses. Humankind CAN be peaceful and non-violent. It's just that many people CHOOSE not to be.
We'll see what happens tonight but to date Trump is still getting less than half of the Republican primary vote. He isn't running away with anything. So I question if anything has truly been awoken.
that's still about 25% of the population, his followers mimic an awakening in the fact that they seem to ignore everything horrendous he says or does.
The OP seems to be overgeneralizing without any actual references. Things usually pendulum swing left to right, with the overall trend going left.
what do you want me to cite sources? All that was in my OP was well known historical fact, and opinion marked with phrases like "I think".
Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I'm not a religious historian, but I haven't heard of the 3rd and 4th awakening. I don't think there's anything going on recently that suggest an awakening. Trump is just appealing to fearful xenophobes that voted for the most conservative Republican in the past.
as i said in the OP, there are 2 major Great Awakenings in US History, the 3rd and 4th weren't as extreme but you can google them if you would like.
I didn't say in OP that it would be just like the first two Awakenings, I said it would be a more modern version of it. Religion might not play a huge role in this one, but extreme conservatism sure will.
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We're currently in the midst of a great awakening. A real awakening. Pope not able to tow the line any longer. Contraceptives are okay after all. Gays rights trump religious insecurities. Faithful loosing numbers. The book is taken a bit less literally every day. Oh yeah we are awakening. Major democratic contender admits to not believing g and he's in contention. Leading Republican obviously an atheist. Has never asked for forgiveness. Oh yeah. Finally a real awakening. Woot
What a cop out. Humans are perfectly capable of being peaceful and non-violent. Our intellectial capacity isnfar beyond what you are talking about. I think blaming nature on bad behaviour among humans is the worst excuse for assholery ever conceived in the history of excuses. Humankind CAN be peaceful and non-violent. It's just that many people CHOOSE not to be.
Now who is the science denier?
I dunno, who? Definitely not me.
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as i said in the OP, there are 2 major Great Awakenings in US History, the 3rd and 4th weren't as extreme but you can google them if you would like.
I didn't say in OP that it would be just like the first two Awakenings, I said it would be a more modern version of it. Religion might not play a huge role in this one, but extreme conservatism sure will.
You're the one making the argument; you'll be a lot more convincing with specific information than just telling people to google. You cite Jonathan Edwards from the 1st Great Awakening but no one from the next two. I did some reading after looking at this thread and there isn't even a consensus that there was a 4th Awakening. However, if there was one, the events cited for it are still religious in nature.
Also, conservatism isn't necessarily what follows a religious movement. Things that grew out of the 2nd Great Awakening included the abolition of slavery and the women's suffrage movement. Social organizations like the YMCA and Salvation Army were founded as a result of the 3rd Awakening.
Trump's candidacy says all kinds of things about this society but the analogy with the Great Awakenings just doesn't hold up for me.
as i said in the OP, there are 2 major Great Awakenings in US History, the 3rd and 4th weren't as extreme but you can google them if you would like.
I didn't say in OP that it would be just like the first two Awakenings, I said it would be a more modern version of it. Religion might not play a huge role in this one, but extreme conservatism sure will.
Also, conservatism isn't necessarily what follows a religious movement. Things that grew out of the 2nd Great Awakening included the abolition of slavery and the women's suffrage movement. Social organizations like the YMCA and Salvation Army were founded as a result of the 3rd Awakening.
Trump's candidacy says all kinds of things about this society but the analogy with the Great Awakenings just doesn't hold up for me.
The Second Great Awakening led to improved moral reasoning against slavery, and had little to do with the Women's Suffrage Movement which wasn't really relevant until the late 19th century (aside from short stints every 50 years, each of which led to next to nothing.) The Third Great Awakening was a special one, right during the Progressive Movement. The Fourth Great Awakening was nothing major, that's why some don't even consider it an awakening.
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The Second Great Awakening led to improved moral reasoning against slavery, and had little to do with the Women's Suffrage Movement which wasn't really relevant until the late 19th century (aside from short stints every 50 years, each of which led to next to nothing.) The Third Great Awakening was a special one, right during the Progressive Movement. The Fourth Great Awakening was nothing major, that's why some don't even consider it an awakening.
Disagree. Many of the abolitionists were women and felt empowered by that movement to begin fighting for their own rights to own property, vote, and hold public office. The movement was active by the mid nineteenth century.
And if the 4th Great Awakening was no big deal, I'm curious as to why you count it. I came of age during that period (late 60s, early 70s) and there was plenty of social upheaval but in retrospect the only religious impact that's clear to me is the rise of fundamentalism in all religions, not just Christianity.
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I didn't say in OP that it would be just like the first two Awakenings, I said it would be a more modern version of it. Religion might not play a huge role in this one, but extreme conservatism sure will.
Also, conservatism isn't necessarily what follows a religious movement. Things that grew out of the 2nd Great Awakening included the abolition of slavery and the women's suffrage movement. Social organizations like the YMCA and Salvation Army were founded as a result of the 3rd Awakening.
Trump's candidacy says all kinds of things about this society but the analogy with the Great Awakenings just doesn't hold up for me.
And if the 4th Great Awakening was no big deal, I'm curious as to why you count it. I came of age during that period (late 60s, early 70s) and there was plenty of social upheaval but in retrospect the only religious impact that's clear to me is the rise of fundamentalism in all religions, not just Christianity.