Oh and dismissive responses w/ nothing to back up their claims other than saying "Science, logic and reason" is just as much proof that you have no evidence for your claims.
What claims?
Claims that they are not in cahoots. Go ahead, prove it. They have an awful lot of history between the two, and Trump and Bill have gone golfing, seen those photos as well. But some claim that I'm now a conspiracy theorist, why? Because they don't want to believe it? They think it's having a pot calling the kettle black? They just want to gang up on other members here because they don't agree with the consensus?
Yeah. Uh-Huh. It's all black and white here.
I don't think anyone called into question the fact the Trump and the Clintons have/had a personal relationship. I think the "cahoots" part of the claim is the issue. Some believe that they are in "cahoots" with the nominations to help Hillary get into office. That is the issue being disputed, and it is incumbent upon one making the claim to provide proof. Did they know each other socially? Sure! Have they hung out at parties or on the golf course? Sure! Are they in "cahoots" to throw the election to Hillary? I don't buy it, and will need proof. It IS just a conspiracy theory without proof.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Oh and dismissive responses w/ nothing to back up their claims other than saying "Science, logic and reason" is just as much proof that you have no evidence for your claims.
What claims?
Claims that they are not in cahoots. Go ahead, prove it. They have an awful lot of history between the two, and Trump and Bill have gone golfing, seen those photos as well. But some claim that I'm now a conspiracy theorist, why? Because they don't want to believe it? They think it's having a pot calling the kettle black? They just want to gang up on other members here because they don't agree with the consensus?
Yeah. Uh-Huh. It's all black and white here.
I don't think anyone called into question the fact the Trump and the Clintons have/had a personal relationship. I think the "cahoots" part of the claim is the issue. Some believe that they are in "cahoots" with the nominations to help Hillary get into office. That is the issue being disputed, and it is incumbent upon one making the claim to provide proof. Did they know each other socially? Sure! Have they hung out at parties or on the golf course? Sure! Are they in "cahoots" to throw the election to Hillary? I don't buy it, and will need proof. It IS just a conspiracy theory without proof.
How about this: we will see now won't we? We will see if Trump forges ahead seriously with this candidacy. And we will see if he bows out and hands it over. Time will tell.
One thing that's been coming up lately in the media though, that Trump and Bill Clinton got together before Trump announced his candidacy for a little talk.
Shortly before Donald J. Trump kicked off his presidential campaign, he had a genial phone conversation with former President Bill Clinton, but the two apparently did not discuss the race itself or Hillary Rodham Clinton’s bid for the Democratic nomination.
The May call was confirmed by two people with knowledge of it, both of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to discuss a private conversation. The call was first reported by The Washington Post.
The conversation was initiated at Mr. Trump’s request, according to one person briefed on the call, who said the real-estate developer tried Mr. Clinton’s office a few times before the former president returned the call.
According to the Washington Post account, some people privy to the call described Mr. Clinton, who is often typically solicitous of whomever he is speaking to, as suggesting to the candidate-to-be that he was “striking a chord” with the Republican base. thers described it as a friendly phone call in which Mrs. Clinton and her campaign didn’t come up.
An aide to Mr. Trump declined comment. An aide to Mr. Clinton confirmed “that Mr. Trump reached out to President Clinton a few times.”
“President Clinton returned his call in late May,” the aide said. “And, that while we don’t make it a practice to discuss the president’s private conversations, we can tell you that the presidential race was not discussed.”
The relationship between Mr. Trump and the Clintons goes back years. The Clintons attended Mr. Trump’s wedding to his third wife, Melania. Mr. Trump also donated $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation, and Mr. Clinton is a member of one of the developer’s golf courses...
Dude, that article you posted was clearly worth it! So, I'll post it, if you don't mind.
This is about the mind-blowing hypocracy of Hillary during Bill Clinton's presidency, going after his victims of sexual assault and shenanigans rather than fighting for them as women, as she claims she does for all women.
...in the 1990s, the Clintons and their allies discredited women who said they had had sexual encounters with or been sexually assaulted by former President Bill Clinton.
The conversation, relayed by several people with knowledge of the discussion who would speak about it only anonymously, captures the deeper debate unfolding among liberal-leaning women about how to reconcile Mrs. Clinton’s leadership on women’s issues with her past involvement in her husband’s efforts to fend off accusations of sexual misconduct. The issue emerged last month when Mrs. Clinton accused the Republican presidential candidate Donald J. Trump of having a “penchant for sexism” and he in turn accused her of hypocrisy, given her husband’s treatment of women.
Mrs. Clinton had hoped to galvanize women late last month in her critique of Mr. Trump. Instead, two weeks before the Iowa caucuses, her campaign has found itself trying to shore up support among women as discussions about past Clinton scandals have moved from conservative critics to broader public consciousness. “She’s not a victim. She was an enabler,” Mr. Trump told Fox News last week. “Some of these women have been destroyed, and Hillary worked with” her husband, he said..
Posting this article from Indifference again, Hillary is no supporter for all women, Bernie probably does a better job than she does. I bet he's got a better track record.
Trump’s misogynistic shots at Fox News host Megyn Kelly are just the tip of the iceberg. Here, a look at his long, dark history of offensive comments about women.
How has Donald Trump insulted women? Let us count just some of the ways.
In 2012, he tweeted that Arianna Huffington “is unattractive both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man—he made a good decision.”
On Celebrity Apprentice: All-Stars in 2013, he mused about the “pretty picture” of former Playboy Playmate Brande Roderick “dropping to your knees.”
He called opposing counsel in a deposition “disgusting” for wanting to break to pump milk for her 3-month-old daughter.
In his book, How to Get Rich, he wrote: “All of the women on The Apprentice flirted with me—consciously or unconsciously. That’s to be expected.”
In a 1991 Esquire interview, he said: “You know, it doesn’t really matter what [the media] write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of [expletive].”
Most famously, in a 2006 feud involving Miss USA, he called Rosie O’Donnell an “animal,” an “extremely unattractive person,” and a “slob.”
And now, of course, comes his attack on Fox News host and debate moderator Megyn Kelly (full disclosure: I’m a Fox News contributor.) The war of words started after Kelly asked whether his descriptions of various women (“pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals”) suggested that Trump didn’t have the temperament to be president.
All this escalated Friday with his comment to CNN about Kelly: “You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes–blood coming out of her wherever.” As if the suggestion that her menstrual state was behind Kelly’s tough questioning wasn’t enough, Trump also retweeted a comment calling her a “bimbo” (later deleted) and called her a “lightweight.”
Trump made the rounds of the Sunday talk shows to deny that his blood comment was a reference to the Fox host’s hormonal state. “There’s nothing to apologize [for],” Mr. Trump said Sunday on the NBC News program Meet the Press. “I was referring to nose, ears. They’re very common statements. And only a deviant would think of what people said.”
Nevertheless some conservative leaders who had previously cut Trump some slack have now declared the flirtation with his candidacy over. Influential RedState leader Erik Erickson disinvited Trump from his Atlanta candidate forum Saturday. “I just don’t want someone on stage who gets a hostile question from a lady and his first inclination is to imply it was hormonal,” Erickson wrote on the RedState website Friday night. “It just was wrong.”
And GOP candidate Carly Fiorina, the only woman in the GOP field, tweeted:
That, of course, drew a nasty rebuke from the real estate mogul denouncing her “disastrous” tenure as Hewlett-Packard’s CEO.
Republicans have been nervous about this guy from the start. Despite his crass insults against targets ranging from Mexican immigrants to war hero John McCain, he has a strong base of GOP supporters, consistently topping the polls. Conservative supporters have looked the other way when it comes his multiple marriages and dalliances with Democrats (during the debate he boasted that Hillary Clinton “had to come to my wedding” because of his donations to the Clinton Foundation.)
Did Trump go a step too far in taking on conservative icon Megyn Kelly? A Republican Party that needs to improve its standing with women and Hispanics in order to capture the White House in 2016 should certainly hope so.
“I don’t want my daughter in the room with Donald Trump tonight, so he’s not invited,” RedState’s Erickson told his gathering. “If our standard-bearer has to resort to that, then we need a new standard-bearer.”
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One thing that's been coming up lately in the media though, that Trump and Bill Clinton got together before Trump announced his candidacy for a little talk.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/05/donald-trump-and-bill-clinton-chatted-by-phone-before-trump-announced-candidacy/
Posting this article from Indifference again, Hillary is no supporter for all women, Bernie probably does a better job than she does. I bet he's got a better track record.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/21/us/politics/90s-scandals-threaten-to-erode-hillary-clintons-strength-with-women.html?_r=3&referer=http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/251695/half-of-u-s-women-have-very-unfavorable-view-of-trump-poll
I know I've posted this somewhere.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/18-real-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-women_us_55d356a8e4b07addcb442023
"...I changed by not changing at all..."