RIP Nancy Reagan

brianlux

BS44325 said:

Drowned Out said:

BS44325 said:

Wobbie said:

not a fan.

"just say no" about the stupidest thing ever.

How someone could think educating our children to "just say no" is the "stupidest thing ever" boggles the mind. We need far more of this and far less imprisonment.

If only it was a simple (albeit ridiculously naive and unrealistic) educational message. Unfortunately the Reagan era drug war was accompanied by skyrocketing incarceration rates, institutionalized racism and government involvement in the drug trade ( to fund reagan's wars), and the rise of zero-credibility practise of using cops to educate kids on health issues (DARE). Old mother Reagan was the face of this disaster, and the main proponent of the hysteria that allowed all of this to happen. I have a hard time seeing her campaign as educational benevolence, as do many others apparently.

I agree with you on a lot of those things...the war on drugs has been and still is a massive failure. The message of "just say no" though is not wrong, not naive and doesn't make you a supporter of the wider war on drugs by repeating it. Teaching kids not to use/abuse is and will always be important. Case in point...I tell my kids every day not to smoke...not to be peer pressured..."just say no" if you will. Now I don't doubt that they won't have a smoke at some point but I sure hope they don't become smokers. This goes with drugs as well...I've seen the needle and the damage done...just had a friend lose his battle with addiction. I know too many people who have been messed up by coke. Kids need to know that some drugs have inherent dangers and that saying no in social situations is ok. "Just say no" shouldn't be scoffed at...it's good parenting 101.

Speaking for myself, I get what you're saying, BS and it's cool that you care for kids well being but I think kids are smarter than we give them credit. They see through little sayings like "just say no". And the saying is a form of denial by using the word, "just", like it's "simple" to avoid peer pressure.

When I was 15 I started smoking because my friends though it was cool and I wanted to be accepted by them. My parents basically wanted me to "just say no". If they had explained that it really can be difficult to say no to your friends because you want to belong, if they had told me that if my friends rejected me for not smoking then maybe they weren't really my friends after all, if they had taken me to a hospital to meet a patient with throat cancer, or even just explained what that looks like (not a pretty sight), if they had just been open an honest I might not have ever smoked those nasty cancer sticks.

I believe there's no "just" about it, that's all.

BS44325

brianlux said:

BS44325 said:

Drowned Out said:

BS44325 said:

Wobbie said:

not a fan.

"just say no" about the stupidest thing ever.

How someone could think educating our children to "just say no" is the "stupidest thing ever" boggles the mind. We need far more of this and far less imprisonment.

If only it was a simple (albeit ridiculously naive and unrealistic) educational message. Unfortunately the Reagan era drug war was accompanied by skyrocketing incarceration rates, institutionalized racism and government involvement in the drug trade ( to fund reagan's wars), and the rise of zero-credibility practise of using cops to educate kids on health issues (DARE). Old mother Reagan was the face of this disaster, and the main proponent of the hysteria that allowed all of this to happen. I have a hard time seeing her campaign as educational benevolence, as do many others apparently.

I agree with you on a lot of those things...the war on drugs has been and still is a massive failure. The message of "just say no" though is not wrong, not naive and doesn't make you a supporter of the wider war on drugs by repeating it. Teaching kids not to use/abuse is and will always be important. Case in point...I tell my kids every day not to smoke...not to be peer pressured..."just say no" if you will. Now I don't doubt that they won't have a smoke at some point but I sure hope they don't become smokers. This goes with drugs as well...I've seen the needle and the damage done...just had a friend lose his battle with addiction. I know too many people who have been messed up by coke. Kids need to know that some drugs have inherent dangers and that saying no in social situations is ok. "Just say no" shouldn't be scoffed at...it's good parenting 101.

Speaking for myself, I get what you're saying, BS and it's cool that you care for kids well being but I think kids are smarter than we give them credit. They see through little sayings like "just say no". And the saying is a form of denial by using the word, "just", like it's "simple" to avoid peer pressure.

When I was 15 I started smoking because my friends though it was cool and I wanted to be accepted by them. My parents basically wanted me to "just say no". If they had explained that it really can be difficult to say no to your friends because you want to belong, if they had told me that if my friends rejected me for not smoking then maybe they weren't really my friends after all, if they had taken me to a hospital to meet a patient with throat cancer, or even just explained what that looks like (not a pretty sight), if they had just been open an honest I might not have ever smoked those nasty cancer sticks.

I believe there's no "just" about it, that's all.

I think that's fair because it certainly isn't simple. The point I am making is that as parents we should be having the conversation and include all those points you just mentioned above. Teach "no" with the caveat that we get "no" ain't always easy.

Drowned Out

Kids need to know the consequences of saying yes and all the other things Brian mentioned about the drug industry as a whole (not just the ones deemed illegal, esp now that script drugs have overtaken illicits as the main cause of OD death and addiction). They need to know the health effects, the legal consequences, the potential for addiction, and yes, that saying no is the best option.....But they also need to understand the principles of harm reduction, how to recognize addictive behaviour in themselves and their peers, and how to minimize the risks if they do choose to use. Preaching abstinence in regards to drugs is as ineffectual and dangerous as it is in regards to sex. And they don't need to hear it from a cop with a briefcase full of interesting looking paraphernalia who is doing nothing but building curiousity. Studies have shown DARE actually increased drug use in students who took the course compared to those who didnt. The Reagan drug initiatives did more harm than good, esp when you look at the backdoor dealings - social engineering and black ops - associated with the war on drugs. Anyway....I don't think we're far enough apart to keep going back and forth on this, esp not in this thread. I just wanted to expand on why I think Just Say No was either a massive mistake, or a PR campaign that was used to facilitate other agendas, to the detriment of the entire f'n world (in that the US pressured everyone to partake in the WOD). To me, that is Nancy's legacy. I don't have a whole lot of nice things to say about her, nor her hubby. I'll leave it at that.

Free

Ever since hearing Sunday that Ronald's nickname for Nancy was ""Mommy", I'm just kinda disturbed.

RIP

hedonist

Free said:

Ever since hearing Sunday that Ronald's nickname for Nancy was ""Mommy", I'm just kinda disturbed.

RIP

One of my uncles used to call my aunt that...also called her "Cherie" (he was French/Persian). It can be creepy but it's not always.

I wonder if Ron calling her that was related to his Alzheimer's? How she cared for him when it began?

Free

The news said it was his nickname for her.

hedonist

Free said:

The news said it was his nickname for her.

Maybe that's just how the news works?


That little thing really doesn't bother me...guess it could others.

Drowned Out

I read that he also called her Nancy-Pants.
Mommy doesn't disturb me, personally....but then, my gf has called me daddy a time or two, so maybe I'm not the best judge lol

hedonist

Oh, my Drowned friend...I'd say your wife and I may or may not have a thing or two in common

Drowned Out

Haha...id never have assumed an innocent yet playful side to someone with your username.

Who Princess

During Reagan's presidency, it was well publicized that he called her Mommy. Supposedly White House staff did not like taking what they called the "Mommy calls."

I was not a fan of either Reagan. As a First Lady, I found her to be cold and condescending. Her manner, her dress, how she decorated, all spoke loud and clear: "I am better than you."

I don't need to add to the commentary on her "Just Say No" campaign and the War on Drugs. I wish she had used her position as First Lady to take on a more important social issue. My own suggestion would be the emergence of the AIDS epidemic. Unfortunately, the Reagan administration ignored a massive public health threat for at least 3 years and then only responded judgmentally.

The one thing I admired about Reagan was when he went public with his Alzheimer's diagnosis. And Nancy absolutely has my respect for her years as his caregiver and for bucking the Republican establishment by calling for research into stem cell treatment for the disease.

PJ_Soul

brianlux said:

BS44325 said:

Drowned Out said:

BS44325 said:

Wobbie said:

not a fan.

"just say no" about the stupidest thing ever.

How someone could think educating our children to "just say no" is the "stupidest thing ever" boggles the mind. We need far more of this and far less imprisonment.

If only it was a simple (albeit ridiculously naive and unrealistic) educational message. Unfortunately the Reagan era drug war was accompanied by skyrocketing incarceration rates, institutionalized racism and government involvement in the drug trade ( to fund reagan's wars), and the rise of zero-credibility practise of using cops to educate kids on health issues (DARE). Old mother Reagan was the face of this disaster, and the main proponent of the hysteria that allowed all of this to happen. I have a hard time seeing her campaign as educational benevolence, as do many others apparently.

I agree with you on a lot of those things...the war on drugs has been and still is a massive failure. The message of "just say no" though is not wrong, not naive and doesn't make you a supporter of the wider war on drugs by repeating it. Teaching kids not to use/abuse is and will always be important. Case in point...I tell my kids every day not to smoke...not to be peer pressured..."just say no" if you will. Now I don't doubt that they won't have a smoke at some point but I sure hope they don't become smokers. This goes with drugs as well...I've seen the needle and the damage done...just had a friend lose his battle with addiction. I know too many people who have been messed up by coke. Kids need to know that some drugs have inherent dangers and that saying no in social situations is ok. "Just say no" shouldn't be scoffed at...it's good parenting 101.

Speaking for myself, I get what you're saying, BS and it's cool that you care for kids well being but I think kids are smarter than we give them credit. They see through little sayings like "just say no". And the saying is a form of denial by using the word, "just", like it's "simple" to avoid peer pressure.

When I was 15 I started smoking because my friends though it was cool and I wanted to be accepted by them. My parents basically wanted me to "just say no". If they had explained that it really can be difficult to say no to your friends because you want to belong, if they had told me that if my friends rejected me for not smoking then maybe they weren't really my friends after all, if they had taken me to a hospital to meet a patient with throat cancer, or even just explained what that looks like (not a pretty sight), if they had just been open an honest I might not have ever smoked those nasty cancer sticks.

I believe there's no "just" about it, that's all.

Remember the "this is your brain on drugs" egg in a frying pan ad that was everywhere back then supporting the say no to drugs campaign? Well I had this poster in my room when I was a kid, and me and my friends thought it was hilarious when we were high.



Yeah, say no to drugs is ridiculous. Kids don't respond to shit like that.

lolobugg

I appreciate her getting me out of "kindergarden" class in 1984 to let go of all those "Just Say No" balloons.

g under p

I don't know much about Nancy Reagan, however her public image appeared to always be the same. She looked at her husband the President with such adoration all the the time that caught my eye. She certainly seemed to have found her life partner now she shall join him. RIP.



Peace

mickeyrat

So in the same era as just say no, education funding was being cut eliminating music programs art programs some sport programs necessitating the need for larger class sizes fewer teachers and some of that money was channeled into the Dare program and this just say no program

This strikes me as well feeling inadequate, similar to the abstinence-only sex education we see prevalent in the South and other republican-held areas. When pointed out the ways in which it does not work seems as if these facts seem to be ignored and we Press On with unrealistic

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

BS44325 said:

Drowned Out said:

BS44325 said:

Wobbie said:

not a fan.

"just say no" about the stupidest thing ever.

How someone could think educating our children to "just say no" is the "stupidest thing ever" boggles the mind. We need far more of this and far less imprisonment.

If only it was a simple (albeit ridiculously naive and unrealistic) educational message. Unfortunately the Reagan era drug war was accompanied by skyrocketing incarceration rates, institutionalized racism and government involvement in the drug trade ( to fund reagan's wars), and the rise of zero-credibility practise of using cops to educate kids on health issues (DARE). Old mother Reagan was the face of this disaster, and the main proponent of the hysteria that allowed all of this to happen. I have a hard time seeing her campaign as educational benevolence, as do many others apparently.

I agree with you on a lot of those things...the war on drugs has been and still is a massive failure. The message of "just say no" though is not wrong, not naive and doesn't make you a supporter of the wider war on drugs by repeating it. Teaching kids not to use/abuse is and will always be important. Case in point...I tell my kids every day not to smoke...not to be peer pressured..."just say no" if you will. Now I don't doubt that they won't have a smoke at some point but I sure hope they don't become smokers. This goes with drugs as well...I've seen the needle and the damage done...just had a friend lose his battle with addiction. I know too many people who have been messed up by coke. Kids need to know that some drugs have inherent dangers and that saying no in social situations is ok. "Just say no" shouldn't be scoffed at...it's good parenting 101.

Speaking for myself, I get what you're saying, BS and it's cool that you care for kids well being but I think kids are smarter than we give them credit. They see through little sayings like "just say no". And the saying is a form of denial by using the word, "just", like it's "simple" to avoid peer pressure.

When I was 15 I started smoking because my friends though it was cool and I wanted to be accepted by them. My parents basically wanted me to "just say no". If they had explained that it really can be difficult to say no to your friends because you want to belong, if they had told me that if my friends rejected me for not smoking then maybe they weren't really my friends after all, if they had taken me to a hospital to meet a patient with throat cancer, or even just explained what that looks like (not a pretty sight), if they had just been open an honest I might not have ever smoked those nasty cancer sticks.

I believe there's no "just" about it, that's all.

Remember the "this is your brain on drugs" egg in a frying pan ad that was everywhere back then supporting the say no to drugs campaign? Well I had this poster in my room when I was a kid, and me and my friends thought it was hilarious when we were high.



Yeah, say no to drugs is ridiculous. Kids don't respond to shit like that.

I jokingly always said I preferred mine scrambled.

JWPearl

mickeyrat said:

So in the same era as just say no, education funding was being cut eliminating music programs art programs some sport programs necessitating the need for larger class sizes fewer teachers and some of that money was channeled into the Dare program and this just say no program

This strikes me as well feeling inadequate, similar to the abstinence-only sex education we see prevalent in the South and other republican-held areas. When pointed out the ways in which it does not work seems as if these facts seem to be ignored and we Press On with unrealistic

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

BS44325 said:

Drowned Out said:

BS44325 said:

Wobbie said:

not a fan.

"just say no" about the stupidest thing ever.

How someone could think educating our children to "just say no" is the "stupidest thing ever" boggles the mind. We need far more of this and far less imprisonment.

If only it was a simple (albeit ridiculously naive and unrealistic) educational message. Unfortunately the Reagan era drug war was accompanied by skyrocketing incarceration rates, institutionalized racism and government involvement in the drug trade ( to fund reagan's wars), and the rise of zero-credibility practise of using cops to educate kids on health issues (DARE). Old mother Reagan was the face of this disaster, and the main proponent of the hysteria that allowed all of this to happen. I have a hard time seeing her campaign as educational benevolence, as do many others apparently.

I agree with you on a lot of those things...the war on drugs has been and still is a massive failure. The message of "just say no" though is not wrong, not naive and doesn't make you a supporter of the wider war on drugs by repeating it. Teaching kids not to use/abuse is and will always be important. Case in point...I tell my kids every day not to smoke...not to be peer pressured..."just say no" if you will. Now I don't doubt that they won't have a smoke at some point but I sure hope they don't become smokers. This goes with drugs as well...I've seen the needle and the damage done...just had a friend lose his battle with addiction. I know too many people who have been messed up by coke. Kids need to know that some drugs have inherent dangers and that saying no in social situations is ok. "Just say no" shouldn't be scoffed at...it's good parenting 101.

Speaking for myself, I get what you're saying, BS and it's cool that you care for kids well being but I think kids are smarter than we give them credit. They see through little sayings like "just say no". And the saying is a form of denial by using the word, "just", like it's "simple" to avoid peer pressure.

When I was 15 I started smoking because my friends though it was cool and I wanted to be accepted by them. My parents basically wanted me to "just say no". If they had explained that it really can be difficult to say no to your friends because you want to belong, if they had told me that if my friends rejected me for not smoking then maybe they weren't really my friends after all, if they had taken me to a hospital to meet a patient with throat cancer, or even just explained what that looks like (not a pretty sight), if they had just been open an honest I might not have ever smoked those nasty cancer sticks.

I believe there's no "just" about it, that's all.

Remember the "this is your brain on drugs" egg in a frying pan ad that was everywhere back then supporting the say no to drugs campaign? Well I had this poster in my room when I was a kid, and me and my friends thought it was hilarious when we were high.



Yeah, say no to drugs is ridiculous. Kids don't respond to shit like that.

I jokingly always said I preferred mine scrambled.

mine must be poached then lol

brianlux

mickeyrat said:

So in the same era as just say no, education funding was being cut eliminating music programs art programs some sport programs necessitating the need for larger class sizes fewer teachers and some of that money was channeled into the Dare program and this just say no program

This strikes me as well feeling inadequate, similar to the abstinence-only sex education we see prevalent in the South and other republican-held areas. When pointed out the ways in which it does not work seems as if these facts seem to be ignored and we Press On with unrealistic

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

BS44325 said:

Drowned Out said:

BS44325 said:

Wobbie said:

not a fan.

"just say no" about the stupidest thing ever.

How someone could think educating our children to "just say no" is the "stupidest thing ever" boggles the mind. We need far more of this and far less imprisonment.

If only it was a simple (albeit ridiculously naive and unrealistic) educational message. Unfortunately the Reagan era drug war was accompanied by skyrocketing incarceration rates, institutionalized racism and government involvement in the drug trade ( to fund reagan's wars), and the rise of zero-credibility practise of using cops to educate kids on health issues (DARE). Old mother Reagan was the face of this disaster, and the main proponent of the hysteria that allowed all of this to happen. I have a hard time seeing her campaign as educational benevolence, as do many others apparently.

I agree with you on a lot of those things...the war on drugs has been and still is a massive failure. The message of "just say no" though is not wrong, not naive and doesn't make you a supporter of the wider war on drugs by repeating it. Teaching kids not to use/abuse is and will always be important. Case in point...I tell my kids every day not to smoke...not to be peer pressured..."just say no" if you will. Now I don't doubt that they won't have a smoke at some point but I sure hope they don't become smokers. This goes with drugs as well...I've seen the needle and the damage done...just had a friend lose his battle with addiction. I know too many people who have been messed up by coke. Kids need to know that some drugs have inherent dangers and that saying no in social situations is ok. "Just say no" shouldn't be scoffed at...it's good parenting 101.

Speaking for myself, I get what you're saying, BS and it's cool that you care for kids well being but I think kids are smarter than we give them credit. They see through little sayings like "just say no". And the saying is a form of denial by using the word, "just", like it's "simple" to avoid peer pressure.

When I was 15 I started smoking because my friends though it was cool and I wanted to be accepted by them. My parents basically wanted me to "just say no". If they had explained that it really can be difficult to say no to your friends because you want to belong, if they had told me that if my friends rejected me for not smoking then maybe they weren't really my friends after all, if they had taken me to a hospital to meet a patient with throat cancer, or even just explained what that looks like (not a pretty sight), if they had just been open an honest I might not have ever smoked those nasty cancer sticks.

I believe there's no "just" about it, that's all.

Remember the "this is your brain on drugs" egg in a frying pan ad that was everywhere back then supporting the say no to drugs campaign? Well I had this poster in my room when I was a kid, and me and my friends thought it was hilarious when we were high.



Yeah, say no to drugs is ridiculous. Kids don't respond to shit like that.

I jokingly always said I preferred mine scrambled.

Haha! Yup, been there!

Could be worse: "over easy" (a push-over) or maybe like mine sometimes: "hard boiled" (stubborn), LOL

hedonist

Amateurs!

Shirred is where it's at.

brianlux

hedonist said:

Amateurs!

Shirred is where it's at.

"Shirred"? Is that when you too tanked to say, "My brains are blurred?"

hedonist

Shirred is like quone - you know, to QUONE something.

(actually, shirred eggs are a real thing though I've never partaken)