Will you miss the Obama's?

mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
edited February 2016 in A Moving Train
This is an article by David Brooks, resident conservative from the NYTimes. I generally don't agree with Brooks, but he's thoughtful and serious. It's nice to see that he recognizes the class and grace of Barack and Michelle.

As this primary season has gone along, a strange sensation has come over me: I miss Barack Obama. Now, obviously I disagree with a lot of Obama’s policy decisions. I’ve been disappointed by aspects of his presidency. I hope the next presidency is a philosophic departure.

But over the course of this campaign it feels as if there’s been a decline in behavioral standards across the board. Many of the traits of character and leadership that Obama possesses, and that maybe we have taken too much for granted, have suddenly gone missing or are in short supply.

The first and most important of these is basic integrity. The Obama administration has been remarkably scandal-free. Think of the way Iran-contra or the Lewinsky scandals swallowed years from Reagan and Clinton.

We’ve had very little of that from Obama. He and his staff have generally behaved with basic rectitude. Hillary Clinton is constantly having to hold these defensive press conferences when she’s trying to explain away some vaguely shady shortcut she’s taken, or decision she has made, but Obama has not had to do that.

He and his wife have not only displayed superior integrity themselves, they have mostly attracted and hired people with high personal standards. There are all sorts of unsightly characters floating around politics, including in the Clinton camp and in Gov. Chris Christie’s administration. This sort has been blocked from team Obama.

Second, a sense of basic humanity. Donald Trump has spent much of this campaign vowing to block Muslim immigration. You can only say that if you treat Muslim Americans as an abstraction. President Obama, meanwhile, went to a mosque, looked into people’s eyes and gave a wonderful speech reasserting their place as Americans.

He’s exuded this basic care and respect for the dignity of others time and time again. Let’s put it this way: Imagine if Barack and Michelle Obama joined the board of a charity you’re involved in. You’d be happy to have such people in your community. Could you say that comfortably about Ted Cruz? The quality of a president’s humanity flows out in the unexpected but important moments.

Third, a soundness in his decision-making process. Over the years I have spoken to many members of this administration who were disappointed that the president didn’t take their advice. But those disappointed staffers almost always felt that their views had been considered in depth.

Obama’s basic approach is to promote his values as much as he can within the limits of the situation. Bernie Sanders, by contrast, has been so blinded by his values that the reality of the situation does not seem to penetrate his mind.

Take health care. Passing Obamacare was a mighty lift that led to two gigantic midterm election defeats. As Megan McArdle pointed out in her Bloomberg View column, Obamacare took coverage away from only a small minority of Americans. Sanderscare would take employer coverage away from tens of millions of satisfied customers, destroy the health insurance business and levy massive new tax hikes. This is epic social disruption.

To think you could pass Sanderscare through a polarized Washington and in a country deeply suspicious of government is to live in intellectual fairyland. President Obama may have been too cautious, especially in the Middle East, but at least he’s able to grasp the reality of the situation.

Fourth, grace under pressure. I happen to find it charming that Marco Rubio gets nervous on the big occasions — that he grabs for the bottle of water, breaks out in a sweat and went robotic in the last debate. It shows Rubio is a normal person. And I happen to think overconfidence is one of Obama’s great flaws. But a president has to maintain equipoise under enormous pressure. Obama has done that, especially amid the financial crisis. After Saturday night, this is now an open question about Rubio.

Fifth, a resilient sense of optimism. To hear Sanders or Trump, Cruz and Ben Carson campaign is to wallow in the pornography of pessimism, to conclude that this country is on the verge of complete collapse. That’s simply not true. We have problems, but they are less serious than those faced by just about any other nation on earth.

People are motivated to make wise choices more by hope and opportunity than by fear, cynicism, hatred and despair. Unlike many current candidates, Obama has not appealed to those passions.

No, Obama has not been temperamentally perfect. Too often he’s been disdainful, aloof, resentful and insular. But there is a tone of ugliness creeping across the world, as democracies retreat, as tribalism mounts, as suspiciousness and authoritarianism take center stage.

Obama radiates an ethos of integrity, humanity, good manners and elegance that I’m beginning to miss, and that I suspect we will all miss a bit, regardless of who replaces him.

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  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    Hell no
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171
    I will. He would get my vote a third time if I could give it. Trump will bring chaos, Clinton scandal, Sanders establishment revolt...all of which the victims will be we the people. The Age of Obama has not been perfect but I do fear we will soon look back on it and realize it to have been far better than what comes next.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    JimmyV said:

    I will. He would get my vote a third time if I could give it. Trump will bring chaos, Clinton scandal, Sanders establishment revolt...all of which the victims will be we the people. The Age of Obama has not been perfect but I do fear we will soon look back on it and realize it to have been far better than what comes next.

    That's right. It's impossible to rate a president's effectiveness while they are in office. Big changes take time to marinate. We won't know whether Iran, Obamacare, Dodd Frank or any other big proposals were really successful until a term or two after he leaves. Just like today we can see how good the Clinton years were and the mess that Iraq made. Neither of these were as obvious while they played out. But from a class and grace perspective, they've been great.
  • JimmyV said:

    I will. He would get my vote a third time if I could give it. Trump will bring chaos, Clinton scandal, Sanders establishment revolt...all of which the victims will be we the people. The Age of Obama has not been perfect but I do fear we will soon look back on it and realize it to have been far better than what comes next.

    i agree.

    i think for me i will not miss them so much as lament what could have been had he had even a hint of an agreeable congress. i hope history judges this congress as harshly as it deserves.

    i will miss the decorum that the obamas bring to national events and diplomatic events. bush did not have it, trump nor any republican president will not have it.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038

    JimmyV said:

    I will. He would get my vote a third time if I could give it. Trump will bring chaos, Clinton scandal, Sanders establishment revolt...all of which the victims will be we the people. The Age of Obama has not been perfect but I do fear we will soon look back on it and realize it to have been far better than what comes next.

    i agree.

    i think for me i will not miss them so much as lament what could have been had he had even a hint of an agreeable congress. i hope history judges this congress as harshly as it deserves.

    i will miss the decorum that the obamas bring to national events and diplomatic events. bush did not have it, trump nor any republican president will not have it.
    Exactly.

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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    They are classy people. Hell yeah, I will miss the decency and humility of this couple.

    While I think every sitting president is forced to withstand being the scapegoat for all the governmental system's problems, including a republican congress, the corporate takeover of the USA, redundancy, all the gov. Agencies, hatred and plenty of unfair finger pointing from citizens, etc, etc, he has dealt with it all and not once showing anything but class.
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,767
    brianlux said:

    JimmyV said:

    I will. He would get my vote a third time if I could give it. Trump will bring chaos, Clinton scandal, Sanders establishment revolt...all of which the victims will be we the people. The Age of Obama has not been perfect but I do fear we will soon look back on it and realize it to have been far better than what comes next.

    i agree.

    i think for me i will not miss them so much as lament what could have been had he had even a hint of an agreeable congress. i hope history judges this congress as harshly as it deserves.

    i will miss the decorum that the obamas bring to national events and diplomatic events. bush did not have it, trump nor any republican president will not have it.
    Exactly.

    Double that for me
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562

    brianlux said:

    JimmyV said:

    I will. He would get my vote a third time if I could give it. Trump will bring chaos, Clinton scandal, Sanders establishment revolt...all of which the victims will be we the people. The Age of Obama has not been perfect but I do fear we will soon look back on it and realize it to have been far better than what comes next.

    i agree.

    i think for me i will not miss them so much as lament what could have been had he had even a hint of an agreeable congress. i hope history judges this congress as harshly as it deserves.

    i will miss the decorum that the obamas bring to national events and diplomatic events. bush did not have it, trump nor any republican president will not have it.
    Exactly.

    Double that for me
    Me, too.
  • it is terrible the way this man was treated by congress and by fox news and conservative radio.

    i love how in his last year he is essentially telling congress to eat a dick as he uses his constitutional powers to go around them. he is making them look amateur, which they are.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675

    it is terrible the way this man was treated by congress and by fox news and conservative radio.

    i love how in his last year he is essentially telling congress to eat a dick as he uses his constitutional powers to go around them. he is making them look amateur, which they are.

    The problem is that they go after to try to de-legitimize him as a president. To say, "he's not one of us".. Birth certificate, Muslim, Jeremiah Wright. All of these efforts were not critiques against policy, rather his RIGHT to be the president.
  • mrussel1 said:

    it is terrible the way this man was treated by congress and by fox news and conservative radio.

    i love how in his last year he is essentially telling congress to eat a dick as he uses his constitutional powers to go around them. he is making them look amateur, which they are.

    The problem is that they go after to try to de-legitimize him as a president. To say, "he's not one of us".. Birth certificate, Muslim, Jeremiah Wright. All of these efforts were not critiques against policy, rather his RIGHT to be the president.
    don't even think that some of these attacks were not based simply on skin color. a lot of them were based ONLY on skin color.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,767
    edited February 2016

    mrussel1 said:

    it is terrible the way this man was treated by congress and by fox news and conservative radio.

    i love how in his last year he is essentially telling congress to eat a dick as he uses his constitutional powers to go around them. he is making them look amateur, which they are.

    The problem is that they go after to try to de-legitimize him as a president. To say, "he's not one of us".. Birth certificate, Muslim, Jeremiah Wright. All of these efforts were not critiques against policy, rather his RIGHT to be the president.
    don't even think that some of these attacks were not based simply on skin color. a lot of them were based ONLY on skin color.
    That as well as fear, hate, and ignorance

    Just look at some of the posts on here from the people who are against President Obama.
  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,944
    He's basically already gone. Don't hear much from him in the media with all of the campaign coverage.
  • He's basically already gone. Don't hear much from him in the media with all of the campaign coverage.

    i would say the republicans "WE ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THE PRESIDENT TO DO HIS DUTY AND PICK A NOMINEE" is a pretty big story. he has been vocal about that. it is going to be a huge campaign issue and some of the gop are already backing off of blanket opposition.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books Posts: 2,672
    edited February 2016
    I would definitely give him a third term, even though I disagreed with many of his decisions.

    Yes, he will be missed.
  • When we elected Barack Obama eight years ago, I thought finally this nation is beginning to overcome fear & racism. We're finally moving forward. Unfortunately, Congress and Fox News have continued for 8 years to spread fear propaganda and hatred that ran rampant under the last Presidency. Those of us who have supported Obama and the things he's accomplished and tried to accomplish can see and embrace those changes as we understand it is for the betterment of humanity in general. Too many on the other side, who follow blindly in hatred & fear of something that differs from what they look like or their way of life now have regressed into pre-MLK days. I think it's a damn shame that desegregation took as long as it did in the first place, and these people want to bring us back to that point.

    As Bentleyspop said, just look at some of the posts here from the anti-Obama crew. Those kind of people make me feel ashamed, at times, that we all like the same rock band. I know we all come from all walks of life, we all have our views on certain issues, etc. But the thing I can never grasp is why anyone - ANYONE - thinks that their political views, religion, social views, etc carry a monopoly over truth, value, and altruism. Just being kind to one another and respecting each other's right to live, right to marry whoever we want, right to the same health benefits, food, water, shelter, employment, education, etc.

    President Obama has been nothing but exceptional in acting with class, diligence, honor, integrity, and hope. Whether you agree with his policies or not - I certainly haven't agreed with all of them - he is representative of all the good qualities a human being should possess. Perhaps if we all carried ourselves a little more like our President, the world would indeed be a much better place.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    It's nice to see a conservative with some class, some of the cons on here, in addition to the rise of Trump, had me doubting that was possible.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    I will miss he and his wife. Class.

    He also represented me more than any president in my lifetime.

    Course I have to say, loved having a half black president that was smart well spoken to shove racists realities up their asses.
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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,693
    Dont agree with a lot of his views but i loved that he was cool enough to do things like sports interviews, brackets, podcasts, etc. Seriously. He was very modern.

    I think all presidents fail to live up to their potential. Hes no different in that regard. And i dont blame congress for a lot of that. But yeah. He seemed like a decent guy to hang out with. Biden definitely doesn't. Met with him a few times before his VP days.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    Big time. Will be seen as a great president and a better person when history writes his story
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    It's been a pleasure to have a president that has acted Presidential, has show some dignity, and is well spoken. And the First Family has been wonderful! I'm not saying Obamas's been perfect, but he's been a perfect gentleman, a class act, and a fine person to represent us as a country. I hope we can have that again.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,538

    brianlux said:

    JimmyV said:

    I will. He would get my vote a third time if I could give it. Trump will bring chaos, Clinton scandal, Sanders establishment revolt...all of which the victims will be we the people. The Age of Obama has not been perfect but I do fear we will soon look back on it and realize it to have been far better than what comes next.

    i agree.

    i think for me i will not miss them so much as lament what could have been had he had even a hint of an agreeable congress. i hope history judges this congress as harshly as it deserves.

    i will miss the decorum that the obamas bring to national events and diplomatic events. bush did not have it, trump nor any republican president will not have it.
    Exactly.

    Double that for me
    Triple it for me !!
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Can't say I'd miss them more than any others who've held those positions.

    Still - and, as with the others who've held those positions - was nice to see the pure and human, unfiltered (I hope!) sides. Some I found quite endearing and sweet.
  • buck502000buck502000 Posts: 8,951
    No
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    yeah right.....good riddance, I can't wait to see them both slither out of the white house.
    I don't know if Trump (or who ever wins) will be a good president but I'm ready for "real change"
    although Hitlery worries me.....

    Godfather.
  • EnkiduEnkidu Posts: 2,996
    brianlux said:

    It's been a pleasure to have a president that has acted Presidential, has show some dignity, and is well spoken. And the First Family has been wonderful! I'm not saying Obamas's been perfect, but he's been a perfect gentleman, a class act, and a fine person to represent us as a country. I hope we can have that again.

    Nicely said. I agree. I wish he'd done more, but I'm not sure he could have. The idea that Trump (pardon me while I throw up) or Bernie (who I don't think is electable) or Hillary (who has her own set of baggage) could do more than Obama and bring change is laughable.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675

    yeah right.....good riddance, I can't wait to see them both slither out of the white house.
    I don't know if Trump (or who ever wins) will be a good president but I'm ready for "real change"
    although Hitlery worries me.....

    Godfather.

    Hitlery? You are saying there are comparisons between Hillary Clinton and the leader of Third Reich? Do you just pull your cool nicknames from fellow Drudge Report devotees? Shall we talk about Libtards and Obummer too?
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    i'd vote for him again if it were possible. he & his wife are going to continue to do great things. good people
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  • brianlux said:

    JimmyV said:

    I will. He would get my vote a third time if I could give it. Trump will bring chaos, Clinton scandal, Sanders establishment revolt...all of which the victims will be we the people. The Age of Obama has not been perfect but I do fear we will soon look back on it and realize it to have been far better than what comes next.

    i agree.

    i think for me i will not miss them so much as lament what could have been had he had even a hint of an agreeable congress. i hope history judges this congress as harshly as it deserves.

    i will miss the decorum that the obamas bring to national events and diplomatic events. bush did not have it, trump nor any republican president will not have it.
    Exactly.

    The point of being a leader is finding ways to get what you want done without being a bully. Obama never figured that out. So, you can keep blaming congress which is more than appropriate, but he deserves equal heapings if not more because he is a singular leader who simply could not figure out how to do what he needed to do. In any other walk of life, he would have been fired as a CEO which is what the President is.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
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