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HughFreakingDillon

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
I said no such thing.
Perhaps the press heard that message.

are you out of your mind? it's in fucking black and white right here.
"said to them "Listen, all you asses have continued to make erroneous headlines throughout my campaign now you will stop and clear it w/ me before you make another headline about me"

HughFreakingDillon

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

$7M is a small price to pay considering you make zero tax revenue from option B: a shuttered Carrier and 1000 unemployed people and their families.

hmph....people actually believe this...???

Average wage rate at Carrier is $31. 1000 x 31 x 8 x 5 x 52 = $64,480,000 paid in salary assuming 40 hour work week.

State income tax rate is 3.3% which translates to $2,127,840. Tax incentives are $700,000 per year.

Net gain to the state coffers = $1,427,840

I'm not sure what not to believe? Simple math proves my point.

I believe it sounds like the workers at Carrier are overpaid and the citizens of Indiana should be pissed for being forced to subsidize their income.

those fuckers make more than I do.

HughFreakingDillon

Gern Blansten said:

Anyone who is patting Trump on the back for Carrier is duped. This was a headline for him. Behind the scenes it's really worthless.

I live about 20 miles north of Carrier. On the local news they were interviewing people at a neighboring Carrier plant that got no help from Trump at all....why? Why didn't he work his magic for Rexnord just a few miles away? They are sending 400 jobs to Mexico.

Smoke and mirrors.

The employee at Rexnord that they interviewed said "I keep hearing about this Trump train but why didn't the train stop at Rexnord?"

cause he didn't see some poor sap on the "nightly news" that works at that plant.

he's going to be a very busy boy putting all these band aids on every single scrape in the country.

Gern Blansten

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/trumps-deal-with-carrier-moves-1300-jobs-to-mexico/

Still 1300 jobs leaving....shitty job Trump

The Juggler

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/trumps-deal-with-carrier-moves-1300-jobs-to-mexico/

Still 1300 jobs leaving....shitty job Trump

With a tax credit and no tariff! I thought he was a good negotiator? It's literally the opposite of what he said he would do to companies, like his own, who ship jobs oversees.

The Juggler

Great jobs report today. At what point does Trump stop saying he doesn't believe these numbers and starts taking credit for them?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

It's easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled.

- Mark Twain

vaggar99

the whole Carrier thing is propaganda. the fundamental reasoning for jobs leaving the US is the same. rates are high here and low there. if you want to make $25+ an hour, you gotta be able to cope with a job that involves technology. that's not a bad thing in my mind, because that's what we are now best at.

JimmyV

The Juggler said:

Great jobs report today. At what point does Trump stop saying he doesn't believe these numbers and starts taking credit for them?

January 20, 2017. 12:01 PM.

josevolution

vaggar99 said:

so now 'The Wall' will have doors. what's next? glory holes? and who will pay to drill those glory holes?

The Mexicans off course

rgambs

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

Jason P said:

dignin said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

benjs said:

Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.

You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.

What do you suggest he do?

Not be president. The man is incapable of not using this power to line his pockets, and the pockets of his family.

Maybe you should have thought that conflict of interest through before you voted for a con man who is going to steal from you.

To be fair, Hillary would do the same thing. Clintons went from a net worth of $700K in 1992 to $110M today.

They made those profits after they were out of office. That's a whole different deal than making them while in office.

Hillary opened her tax returns up and was transparent. Trump on the other hand......

The increase in net worth has nothing to her role as sec of state? Nothing to do with her presidential aspirations? WOW!!!

Review the tax returns...most income due to Bill's speeches/consulting

Will be interesting to see what happens to their income now that they have little influence in politics.

If Mrs. Trump were to start getting 200k a speech, you wouldn't suspect there would be any tie to the fact that her husband is a president and it would be good to have him as a friend?

Hahaha if that happened I would wonder if Mrs. Trump had fallen back into her old habit of taking her clothes off for money.

rgambs

Jason P said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

$7M is a small price to pay considering you make zero tax revenue from option B: a shuttered Carrier and 1000 unemployed people and their families.

hmph....people actually believe this...???

Average wage rate at Carrier is $31. 1000 x 31 x 8 x 5 x 52 = $64,480,000 paid in salary assuming 40 hour work week.

State income tax rate is 3.3% which translates to $2,127,840. Tax incentives are $700,000 per year.

Net gain to the state coffers = $1,427,840

I'm not sure what not to believe? Simple math proves my point.

Where does that average wage rate come from? What employees are included? I doubt the average carrier worker makes that much if you exclude the suits that wouldn't be losing their jobs anyways.

Go Beavers

Jason P said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

$7M is a small price to pay considering you make zero tax revenue from option B: a shuttered Carrier and 1000 unemployed people and their families.

hmph....people actually believe this...???

Average wage rate at Carrier is $31. 1000 x 31 x 8 x 5 x 52 = $64,480,000 paid in salary assuming 40 hour work week.

State income tax rate is 3.3% which translates to $2,127,840. Tax incentives are $700,000 per year.

Net gain to the state coffers = $1,427,840

I'm not sure what not to believe? Simple math proves my point.

Maybe I'm being dense, but is it a gain, or is it a loss that isn't as big as originally was going to happen?

Jason P

rgambs said:

Jason P said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

$7M is a small price to pay considering you make zero tax revenue from option B: a shuttered Carrier and 1000 unemployed people and their families.

hmph....people actually believe this...???

Average wage rate at Carrier is $31. 1000 x 31 x 8 x 5 x 52 = $64,480,000 paid in salary assuming 40 hour work week.

State income tax rate is 3.3% which translates to $2,127,840. Tax incentives are $700,000 per year.

Net gain to the state coffers = $1,427,840

I'm not sure what not to believe? Simple math proves my point.

Where does that average wage rate come from? What employees are included? I doubt the average carrier worker makes that much if you exclude the suits that wouldn't be losing their jobs anyways.

USATODAY article. $30.91 to be exact.

usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/12/01/carrier-incentives-stir-debate-over-rewarding-offshoring/94781008/

Not sure how they define it, but in my experience the term "wage" is used in reference to hourly workers, not salaried.

I've been critical of the clown since he announced he was running. At least this is a positive thing. Would have been great if he could have saved all the jobs. The city of Huntington will be crushed. But something is better then nothing.

Degeneratefk

Jason P said:

rgambs said:

Jason P said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

$7M is a small price to pay considering you make zero tax revenue from option B: a shuttered Carrier and 1000 unemployed people and their families.

hmph....people actually believe this...???

Average wage rate at Carrier is $31. 1000 x 31 x 8 x 5 x 52 = $64,480,000 paid in salary assuming 40 hour work week.

State income tax rate is 3.3% which translates to $2,127,840. Tax incentives are $700,000 per year.

Net gain to the state coffers = $1,427,840

I'm not sure what not to believe? Simple math proves my point.

Where does that average wage rate come from? What employees are included? I doubt the average carrier worker makes that much if you exclude the suits that wouldn't be losing their jobs anyways.

USATODAY article. $30.91 to be exact.

usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/12/01/carrier-incentives-stir-debate-over-rewarding-offshoring/94781008/

Not sure how they define it, but in my experience the term "wage" is used in reference to hourly workers, not salaried.

I've been critical of the clown since he announced he was running. At least this is a positive thing. Would have been great if he could have saved all the jobs. The city of Huntington will be crushed. But something is better then nothing.

But why is nobody talking about the "consequences" Trump said he was going to levy against companies that leave the US? Yes, half the plant is staying but half is still leaving. Where are the penalties?

Go Beavers

I prefer to buy stuff made in the US, but isn't this forcing the choice? And while saving some jobs feels good for the workers, isn't this a short sighted policy and a insincere gesture? I think United Technologies was worried about getting cut off from the government teat.

bootlegger10

Degeneratefk said:

Jason P said:

rgambs said:

Jason P said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

$7M is a small price to pay considering you make zero tax revenue from option B: a shuttered Carrier and 1000 unemployed people and their families.

hmph....people actually believe this...???

Average wage rate at Carrier is $31. 1000 x 31 x 8 x 5 x 52 = $64,480,000 paid in salary assuming 40 hour work week.

State income tax rate is 3.3% which translates to $2,127,840. Tax incentives are $700,000 per year.

Net gain to the state coffers = $1,427,840

I'm not sure what not to believe? Simple math proves my point.

Where does that average wage rate come from? What employees are included? I doubt the average carrier worker makes that much if you exclude the suits that wouldn't be losing their jobs anyways.

USATODAY article. $30.91 to be exact.

usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/12/01/carrier-incentives-stir-debate-over-rewarding-offshoring/94781008/

Not sure how they define it, but in my experience the term "wage" is used in reference to hourly workers, not salaried.

I've been critical of the clown since he announced he was running. At least this is a positive thing. Would have been great if he could have saved all the jobs. The city of Huntington will be crushed. But something is better then nothing.

But why is nobody talking about the "consequences" Trump said he was going to levy against companies that leave the US? Yes, half the plant is staying but half is still leaving. Where are the penalties?

Is he president? No. He has no authority to penalize them.

Again, most people were smart enough to know Trump's campaign was one big negotiation strategy. It is ridiculous that anyone would possibly believe Trump was going to deport 11 million people, form a Muslim registry, or keep every job from leaving. At the end of the day people voted for a president that they though would take issues like immigration, Obamacare, jobs, etc seriously. That is what they wanted. The how and what is still to be decided.

vaggar99

Go Beavers said:

I prefer to buy stuff made in the US, but isn't this forcing the choice? And while saving some jobs feels good for the workers, isn't this a short sighted policy and a insincere gesture? I think United Technologies was worried about getting cut off from the government teat.

they are now going to have to manufacture these things at a higher cost which means they either raise the price or take a lower margin. either way, the company and the shareholders will lose. i suppose that's not such a bad thing if you're socialist, but it's not what i call capitalism.

Go Beavers

bootlegger10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Jason P said:

rgambs said:

Jason P said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

$7M is a small price to pay considering you make zero tax revenue from option B: a shuttered Carrier and 1000 unemployed people and their families.

hmph....people actually believe this...???

Average wage rate at Carrier is $31. 1000 x 31 x 8 x 5 x 52 = $64,480,000 paid in salary assuming 40 hour work week.

State income tax rate is 3.3% which translates to $2,127,840. Tax incentives are $700,000 per year.

Net gain to the state coffers = $1,427,840

I'm not sure what not to believe? Simple math proves my point.

Where does that average wage rate come from? What employees are included? I doubt the average carrier worker makes that much if you exclude the suits that wouldn't be losing their jobs anyways.

USATODAY article. $30.91 to be exact.

usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/12/01/carrier-incentives-stir-debate-over-rewarding-offshoring/94781008/

Not sure how they define it, but in my experience the term "wage" is used in reference to hourly workers, not salaried.

I've been critical of the clown since he announced he was running. At least this is a positive thing. Would have been great if he could have saved all the jobs. The city of Huntington will be crushed. But something is better then nothing.

But why is nobody talking about the "consequences" Trump said he was going to levy against companies that leave the US? Yes, half the plant is staying but half is still leaving. Where are the penalties?

Is he president? No. He has no authority to penalize them.

Again, most people were smart enough to know Trump's campaign was one big negotiation strategy. It is ridiculous that anyone would possibly believe Trump was going to deport 11 million people or form a Muslim registry. At the end of the day people voted for a president that they though would take issues like immigration, Obamacare, jobs, etc seriously. That is what they wanted. The how and what is still to be decided.

At the end of the day they voted out of fear and trump used the theme's listed to manipulate enough people by weaving a message of fear into those policies. Yes his policies are ridiculous, but a lot of people that voted for him that can still link thoughts together convinced themselves that these were good policies so they thought they weren't supporting a bigot. Trump tapped into a group of conservatives who think they aren't prejudiced, but actually are.

jeffbr

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