Trump

ledvedderman

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

What is so great about President-elect Trump is that during his "meeting" with the press head honchos he pretty much said to them "Listen, all you asses have continued to make erroneous headlines throughout my campaign now you will stop and clear it w/ me before you make another headline about me"
Look at the media bow now.

Yes. You did.

bootlegger10

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
Is it colluding though?
All President-elect Trump did was speak his mind.

Was referring to collusion with Hillary campaign. Just want them to be skeptical of every leader.

Degeneratefk

bootlegger10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

bootlegger10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

bootlegger10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so I'm watching CNN on my lunch. who's on? Mike Pence. at a Carrier press conference. Trump just spent $7m on tax breaks to save 1000 jobs. I was awe as he spoke about not even really considering saving Carrier jobs in the first place, thinking "that ship had sailed". But he mentioned it at one point, which he admits he didn't recall until seeing the video. Now, he's watching the news, "but I won't say which one, I can't stand them, I tell you, I can't stand them, so I won't give them the credit", and he sees an employee of Carrier saying "Trump is going to save my job". He openly admits that the only reason he did this deal was because of the faith of this ONE GUY. He is spending millions of tax payer dollars to appease ONE GUY who said he had faith in him. He said after seeing that on the news, he got on the phone with Carrier's CEO and said "we've got to make a deal".

how many other companies are going to see that and go "hmmm.....I want tax breaks, let's threaten to ship some jobs abroad".

he is single handedly going to bankrupt the US in record time.

and then he'll blame it on the democrats.

What happened to the penalties trump was going to levy against companies that moved to mexico? Carrier made out good in this deal. Not only do they get to move half of the indy plant to mexico, but they get tax breaks for keeping the other half in indiana. Plus, the parent company for carrier, United technologies, "holds billions of dollars in government contracts through the Defense Department and other agencies, contracts over which President Trump would have influence."

What's stopping any company from threatening to move?

States have always given incentives. Nothing new.

Yes, the tax incentives isn't the point. The point is not only is carrier moving to mexico along with half of that plant, but it's parent company is still in line for billions in government contracts. Where are the consequences trump promised?

Well, Carrier said they would save $65 million a year moving to Mexico. I believe it was per year. So, $700k of tax credits per year for ten years doesn't seem like a win for them. Perhaps the threat of taking away government contracts was actually the main driver for keeping 1000 employees there. We weren't privy to all the negotiations. There would be no penalty to analyze since Carrier kept the jobs here. Trump isn't President yet either so he doesn't have the authority to penalize, just threaten.

That's still not the point. Yes, I would bet that the federal contracts were a driving force behind the negotiations. But what I'm asking is where is the outrage? Trump specifically said that there would be consequences for companies moving out of the county. Not only does united technology stay I the drivers seat for those government contracts, they get tax breaks/incentives, AND get to go ahead and move half of their plant tor mexico. All without these "penalties."

I think the point was to keep jobs in the USA, not a bloodlust to penalize companies. In this case they were able to keep 1000 jobs in the USA for a paltry sum of $700 per job for a ten year period which is less than what government/nonprofit expenses would be for 1,000 unemployed people. People are viewing it as a success. Under the current administration and a Hillary administration those 1,000 jobs would be gone without a second of sleep lost so people aren't gonna look a gift horse in the mouth.

Edit: hate damn auto-correct.

And how was trump saying he was going to keep the jobs in America? Yes, close to 1,000 jobs were saved. But what about the 7-800 jobs that were lost?

PJfanwillneverleave1

ledvedderman said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

What is so great about President-elect Trump is that during his "meeting" with the press head honchos he pretty much said to them "Listen, all you asses have continued to make erroneous headlines throughout my campaign now you will stop and clear it w/ me before you make another headline about me"
Look at the media bow now.

Yes. You did.

No. I did not.
He had them in his pocket the whole time and passed his message willy nilly.
Now he has confirmed that w/ them and now they are screwed.

vaggar99

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

President-elect Trump hard at work
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3980726/The-privilege-lifetime-Kellyanne-Conway-tweets-photo-Donald-s-furiously-denying-report-rift-them.html

See, he is having fun and smiling and so is a woman beside him.

where is his right hand in that picture?

benjs

vaggar99 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

President-elect Trump hard at work
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3980726/The-privilege-lifetime-Kellyanne-Conway-tweets-photo-Donald-s-furiously-denying-report-rift-them.html

See, he is having fun and smiling and so is a woman beside him.

where is his right hand in that picture?

Are you serious? His wrist is literally visible on the computer, and the only thing that's blocking his hand is the top of the laptop. I've included this so that nobody can blindly believe your lies.

vaggar99

^^^^its touching an Apple computer that was made in China and that was supposed to be boycotted by all supporters of ESP. what a hypocrite

vaggar99

so now 'The Wall' will have doors. what's next? glory holes? and who will pay to drill those glory holes?

benjs

vaggar99 said:

^^^^its touching an Apple computer that was made in China and that was supposed to be boycotted by all supporters of ESP. what a hypocrite

Is this more circumstantial evidence of the fact he should be impeached? Or just more unimpeachable lies? If it's the latter, how is shining a spotlight on his lies value-added? Supporters of his are willing to look past his lying tendencies - they know about these lies. Undecideds know that he lies, and don't care. Non-supporters know that he lies, and some refuse to embrace the reality (the thing based on facts) that he is overwhelmingly likely to take office in a few months, and would rather act divisively. Mobilizing to prevent Trump from becoming President is much less likely to be effective than mobilizing to prevent some of Trump's proposals from becoming reality.

vaggar99

^^^never said using an Apple computer is grounds for impeachment. just another example of what a lying sack of shit he is.

Jason P

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

$7M is a small price to pay considering you make zero tax revenue from option B: a shuttered Carrier and 1000 unemployed people and their families.

hmph....people actually believe this...???

Average wage rate at Carrier is $31. 1000 x 31 x 8 x 5 x 52 = $64,480,000 paid in salary assuming 40 hour work week.

State income tax rate is 3.3% which translates to $2,127,840. Tax incentives are $700,000 per year.

Net gain to the state coffers = $1,427,840

I'm not sure what not to believe? Simple math proves my point.

bootlegger10

Jason P said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

$7M is a small price to pay considering you make zero tax revenue from option B: a shuttered Carrier and 1000 unemployed people and their families.

hmph....people actually believe this...???

Average wage rate at Carrier is $31. 1000 x 31 x 8 x 5 x 52 = $64,480,000 paid in salary assuming 40 hour work week.

State income tax rate is 3.3% which translates to $2,127,840. Tax incentives are $700,000 per year.

Net gain to the state coffers = $1,427,840

I'm not sure what not to believe? Simple math proves my point.

Just like Republicans try to pick apart any Obama wins the Democrats are going to do the same for Trump. It is a cycle that needs to break.

CM189191

Jason P said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

$7M is a small price to pay considering you make zero tax revenue from option B: a shuttered Carrier and 1000 unemployed people and their families.

hmph....people actually believe this...???

Average wage rate at Carrier is $31. 1000 x 31 x 8 x 5 x 52 = $64,480,000 paid in salary assuming 40 hour work week.

State income tax rate is 3.3% which translates to $2,127,840. Tax incentives are $700,000 per year.

Net gain to the state coffers = $1,427,840

I'm not sure what not to believe? Simple math proves my point.

I believe it sounds like the workers at Carrier are overpaid and the citizens of Indiana should be pissed for being forced to subsidize their income.

Jason P

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

$7M is a small price to pay considering you make zero tax revenue from option B: a shuttered Carrier and 1000 unemployed people and their families.

hmph....people actually believe this...???

Average wage rate at Carrier is $31. 1000 x 31 x 8 x 5 x 52 = $64,480,000 paid in salary assuming 40 hour work week.

State income tax rate is 3.3% which translates to $2,127,840. Tax incentives are $700,000 per year.

Net gain to the state coffers = $1,427,840

I'm not sure what not to believe? Simple math proves my point.

I believe it sounds like the workers at Carrier are overpaid and the citizens of Indiana should be pissed for being forced to subsidize their income.

The workers are represented by a union.

What is your opinion on the minimum wage being raised to $15?

Gern Blansten

Jason P said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

$7M is a small price to pay considering you make zero tax revenue from option B: a shuttered Carrier and 1000 unemployed people and their families.

hmph....people actually believe this...???

Average wage rate at Carrier is $31. 1000 x 31 x 8 x 5 x 52 = $64,480,000 paid in salary assuming 40 hour work week.

State income tax rate is 3.3% which translates to $2,127,840. Tax incentives are $700,000 per year.

Net gain to the state coffers = $1,427,840

I'm not sure what not to believe? Simple math proves my point.

But you are assuming they would be unemployed. They wouldn't be in Indiana right now.

Jason P

If I found a magic elf that I could hand $10 to and in return he handed me $30, I'd be pretty happy if the magic elf stuck around.

Jason P

Gern Blansten said:

Jason P said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

$7M is a small price to pay considering you make zero tax revenue from option B: a shuttered Carrier and 1000 unemployed people and their families.

hmph....people actually believe this...???

Average wage rate at Carrier is $31. 1000 x 31 x 8 x 5 x 52 = $64,480,000 paid in salary assuming 40 hour work week.

State income tax rate is 3.3% which translates to $2,127,840. Tax incentives are $700,000 per year.

Net gain to the state coffers = $1,427,840

I'm not sure what not to believe? Simple math proves my point.

But you are assuming they would be unemployed. They wouldn't be in Indiana right now.

I'm assuming they would be in Indiana on unemployment or taking on a job that pays much less. As I stated, that is the simple math. There are lots of factors that cannot be determined. Unemployment. New job pay. If they leave the state. Trickle-down impact on the local economy. So on and so on.

But my math is simple and is what will actually happen.

CM189191

Jason P said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

$7M is a small price to pay considering you make zero tax revenue from option B: a shuttered Carrier and 1000 unemployed people and their families.

hmph....people actually believe this...???

Average wage rate at Carrier is $31. 1000 x 31 x 8 x 5 x 52 = $64,480,000 paid in salary assuming 40 hour work week.

State income tax rate is 3.3% which translates to $2,127,840. Tax incentives are $700,000 per year.

Net gain to the state coffers = $1,427,840

I'm not sure what not to believe? Simple math proves my point.

I believe it sounds like the workers at Carrier are overpaid and the citizens of Indiana should be pissed for being forced to subsidize their income.

The workers are represented by a union.

What is your opinion on the minimum wage being raised to $15?

I believe the Minimum Wage is lower than it should be.

Those subsidies won't be going towards blue-collar workers wages. It sounds like the 700 people in the Huntington, IN factory will be out of work (pop 17,391). 800 of the manufacturing jobs that were saved were in Indianapolis (pop 853,173). 400 of the people staying in Indy are research-and-development and executive jobs that weren't moving anyways.

1/2 the workers, and presumably operations, are going to Mexico. They'll make additional profit there. While Carrier sends the profits and subsidies back to HQ in Hartford, CT (eff income tax rate 4.82%).

Pay attention rural America, this is what you voted for.

Gern Blansten

Anyone who is patting Trump on the back for Carrier is duped. This was a headline for him. Behind the scenes it's really worthless.

I live about 20 miles north of Carrier. On the local news they were interviewing people at a neighboring Carrier plant that got no help from Trump at all....why? Why didn't he work his magic for Rexnord just a few miles away? They are sending 400 jobs to Mexico.

Smoke and mirrors.

The employee at Rexnord that they interviewed said "I keep hearing about this Trump train but why didn't the train stop at Rexnord?"

HughFreakingDillon

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

What is so great about President-elect Trump is that during his "meeting" with the press head honchos he pretty much said to them "Listen, all you asses have continued to make erroneous headlines throughout my campaign now you will stop and clear it w/ me before you make another headline about me"
Look at the media bow now.

so you want Putin as president then?