Trump

polaris_x

Godfather. said:

This past weekend, the billionaire industrialist Charles Koch told hundreds of donors that make up his political network that Trump does not embrace, nor will he fight for, free market principles.

That's one reason Koch's network, which has the deepest pockets in conservative politics, is ignoring the presidential contest this year and focusing its fundraising wealth on races for Congress. Donors and elected officials gathering at a Koch event in Colorado said they accepted the Koch brothers' decision, even if it hurts the GOP's White House chances.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeb-bush-advisers-departure-from-gop-shows-effect-of-donald-trump/

thought you guy's would enjoy this.

Godfather.

this is actually bad news for the democrats ... they need control of at least one of the houses ...

Jason P

Gern Blansten said:

Jason P said:

A clown (a very good clown, the very best) is reporting that this election is rigged.

Yeah he's planting the seed for an excuse. I'm wondering if he is going to back out of the debates. That actually would be smart of his campaign to do so.

The best strategy is to lock him in a closet for the next several months and suspend his twitter account and see if Mike Pence can salvage the campaign.

JaneNY

Jason P said:

The best strategy is to lock him in a closet for the next several months and suspend his twitter account and see if Mike Pence can salvage the campaign.

They'd need to take away his phone while he's in there, or he'll find another way to post publicly!

Gern Blansten

Oh shit....Obama just laid down the law. This should be good.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-donald-trump-unfit-serve-president/story?id=41066637&cid=abcn_fb

"The question that I think that they have to ask themselves is, if you are repeatedly having to say in very strong terms that what he has said is unacceptable, why are you still endorsing him? What does this say about your party that this is your standard bearer?" Obama said. "This isn’t a situation where you have an episodic gaffe. This is daily and weekly where they are distancing themselves from statements he’s making."

benjs

On John Oliver the other night, he made a great point, that Trump is running his campaign like a bed of nails of insulting remarks. Make one outrageous statement and people are shocked and offended and the message resonates, like stepping on a nail. Make multiple outrageous statements and people become desensitized to them and the negative impact of any one statement is diminished - like stepping on a bed of nails.

Gern Blansten

benjs said:

On John Oliver the other night, he made a great point, that Trump is running his campaign like a bed of nails of insulting remarks. Make one outrageous statement and people are shocked and offended and the message resonates, like stepping on a nail. Make multiple outrageous statements and people become desensitized to them and the negative impact of any one statement is diminished - like stepping on a bed of nails.

Yeah it makes you wonder if it's intentional. The problem though is that only the lowest common denominator voter is still with him. He's strengthening the bond with them but turning away everyone else.

benjs

Gern Blansten said:

benjs said:

On John Oliver the other night, he made a great point, that Trump is running his campaign like a bed of nails of insulting remarks. Make one outrageous statement and people are shocked and offended and the message resonates, like stepping on a nail. Make multiple outrageous statements and people become desensitized to them and the negative impact of any one statement is diminished - like stepping on a bed of nails.

Yeah it makes you wonder if it's intentional. The problem though is that only the lowest common denominator voter is still with him. He's strengthening the bond with them but turning away everyone else.

That appears to be exactly what's happening. The question is - are there enough voters who fall into the category of "lowest common denominator" to win him the election? The ironic part is that if the lowest common denominator were just a little more educated, they would probably recognize that he is running his campaign on emotional appeal to what he clearly considers the most bigoted, ignorant, uneducated sects of society - and they might not want to side with him anymore.

Gern Blansten

benjs said:

Gern Blansten said:

benjs said:

On John Oliver the other night, he made a great point, that Trump is running his campaign like a bed of nails of insulting remarks. Make one outrageous statement and people are shocked and offended and the message resonates, like stepping on a nail. Make multiple outrageous statements and people become desensitized to them and the negative impact of any one statement is diminished - like stepping on a bed of nails.

Yeah it makes you wonder if it's intentional. The problem though is that only the lowest common denominator voter is still with him. He's strengthening the bond with them but turning away everyone else.

That appears to be exactly what's happening. The question is - are there enough voters who fall into the category of "lowest common denominator" to win him the election? The ironic part is that if the lowest common denominator were just a little more educated, they would probably recognize that he is running his campaign on emotional appeal to what he clearly considers the most bigoted, ignorant, uneducated sects of society - and they might not want to side with him anymore.

I don't think there is (enough to elect him.) I think the GOP is surprised that the LCDs were able to take over the party.

The problem is that the GOP couldn't guide them to a more electable candidate and now the whole thing is blowing up in their face.

Edit: My brother and sister in law are good examples. The last I heard they don't like Trump but they definitely wouldn't vote Clinton. They are middle class voters that have no business supporting the GOP. They benefited in an enormous way with Obamacare. They had no health insurance until Obamacare kicked in. They signed their 21 year old son up for a policy that was basically free and like 3 months later his appendix exploded. That would have been a few hundred thousand dollar hospital visit I'm guessing.

Yet they most likely oppose Obamacare.

Friday13

That policy wasn't "free"
Believe that
Middle class voters should definitely support the GOP.
With their expectations diminished where else should they go? 8 more years of this failed President w crooked Hillary, the devil?

myoung321

Day after day he says the most ridiculous things... This leads me to no other explanation other than mental illness. A sane person would have STFU and understand the battles to fight. If he can't do that now, what makes anyone think he can do it when lives or the economy are on the line?

Supporters... Sorry, but I just can't understand how any sane, reasonable, caring, decent person can listen to him, then come away thinking he is even capable of being POTUS .. sorry but DAMN... crazy is crazy

mrussel1

Friday13 said:

That policy wasn't "free"
Believe that
Middle class voters should definitely support the GOP.
With their expectations diminished where else should they go? 8 more years of this failed President w crooked Hillary, the devil?

Too bad we don't know what the GOP offers. All we hear out of Agent Orange is a series of lies, petty grievances and personal insults. Yeah, that's what the middle class needs right now.

Godfather.

myoung321 said:

Day after day he says the most ridiculous things... This leads me to no other explanation other than mental illness. A sane person would have STFU and understand the battles to fight. If he can't do that now, what makes anyone think he can do it when lives or the economy are on the line?

Supporters... Sorry, but I just can't understand how any sane, reasonable, caring, decent person can listen to him, then come away thinking he is even capable of being POTUS .. sorry but DAMN... crazy is crazy

even more cunning and dangerous is the one who deceives and knows how to make you believe it.....the Clinton's are America's deceivers but most of you will never see it or believe it, even when it's so evident that everybody else see's it there will always be many who refuse to see it. what a shame.

Godfather.

mrussel1

Godfather. said:

myoung321 said:

Day after day he says the most ridiculous things... This leads me to no other explanation other than mental illness. A sane person would have STFU and understand the battles to fight. If he can't do that now, what makes anyone think he can do it when lives or the economy are on the line?

Supporters... Sorry, but I just can't understand how any sane, reasonable, caring, decent person can listen to him, then come away thinking he is even capable of being POTUS .. sorry but DAMN... crazy is crazy

even more cunning and dangerous is the one who deceives and knows how to make you believe it.....the Clinton's are America's deceivers but most of you will never see it or believe it, even when it's so evident that everybody else see's it there will always be many who refuse to see it. what a shame.

Godfather.

Funny...considering Trump is the purveyor of a fake university.. a stock offering that returned less than 10 cents on the $ before it folded... in the fucking 90's for God's sake.. a 'wall' plan that can't be done, one sided trade agreements that are impossible to have signed. Projection is a funny thing.

Gern Blansten

Friday13 said:

That policy wasn't "free"
Believe that
Middle class voters should definitely support the GOP.
With their expectations diminished where else should they go? 8 more years of this failed President w crooked Hillary, the devil?

To them it was free. Definitely.

mrussel1

Friday13 said:

That policy wasn't "free"
Believe that
Middle class voters should definitely support the GOP.
With their expectations diminished where else should they go? 8 more years of this failed President w crooked Hillary, the devil?

And you're right.. it wasn't free. It was shared expenses across a pool of people. That's how insurance works. The reality is that this particular couple paid in far less than they took out for this round. The alternative was apparently complete out of pocket expense.

Gern Blansten

mrussel1 said:

Friday13 said:

That policy wasn't "free"
Believe that
Middle class voters should definitely support the GOP.
With their expectations diminished where else should they go? 8 more years of this failed President w crooked Hillary, the devil?

And you're right.. it wasn't free. It was shared expenses across a pool of people. That's how insurance works. The reality is that this particular couple paid in far less than they took out for this round. The alternative was apparently complete out of pocket expense.

Exactly....or more likely a medical bankruptcy

josevolution

Friday13 said:

That policy wasn't "free"
Believe that
Middle class voters should definitely support the GOP.
With their expectations diminished where else should they go? 8 more years of this failed President w crooked Hillary, the devil?

Really the same GOP who stood by and let a clown become their face the same GOP who's now scrambling to save face because they are staring down another Election loss they are hoping the clown either has a bad accident or heart attack or just quits , I'm middle class immigrant the GOP has never looked out for my interest never , so go ahead you make sure you vote for Trump since his got your back he def doesn't have mine !!

RoleModelsinBlood31

It's about known compared to unknown for me. We know how corrupt Clinton and her family is. Acting like she's there for the lower and working class but working for the rich and oppressing the poor all the while. We know what we'll get with her. They're incredibly racist and the laws passed under Clinton which he later acknowledged and apologized for hurt the minorities in cities more so than any other president in our age. Making a quantity of powder cocaine less criminal than equal amounts of crack put blacks in prison and funded the prison system who fills clintons pockets. They ruined the plight and the civil rights movement yet now she runs and lies through her teeth like she's going to help them.

With trump we get an asshole who says tons of stupid crap and pisses people off, but we don't know how he'll run a nation. It's an unknown. People try to point to his bankruptcies as negatives but that only makes him a better businessman in my eyes- that's how business works, and he uses any means at his disposal to survive. He's got lawsuits against him but until he's hit with running businesses illegally he's better than Clinton for me. I don't like trump as a presidential candidate, I think it's a complete joke and outrageous that he's an option, but I can't vote for someone who I know is as corrupt as Clinton.

I may go for stein in the end, but that won't keep corruption out of the office since Clinton will win.

Ledbetterman10

josevolution said:

Friday13 said:

That policy wasn't "free"
Believe that
Middle class voters should definitely support the GOP.
With their expectations diminished where else should they go? 8 more years of this failed President w crooked Hillary, the devil?

Really the same GOP who stood by and let a clown become their face the same GOP who's now scrambling to save face because they are staring down another Election loss they are hoping the clown either has a bad accident or heart attack or just quits , I'm middle class immigrant the GOP has never looked out for my interest never , so go ahead you make sure you vote for Trump since his got your back he def doesn't have mine !!

will you please start using some punctuation I know it's hard but it renders your posts a little hard to read that's a shame because I'm interested to some degree about where you're coming from considering you're a middle class immigrant and thus have strong feelings about the clown who is the face of the GOP adding periods between your sentences would make it a lot easier for people to read !!

mrussel1

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

Friday13 said:

That policy wasn't "free"
Believe that
Middle class voters should definitely support the GOP.
With their expectations diminished where else should they go? 8 more years of this failed President w crooked Hillary, the devil?

Really the same GOP who stood by and let a clown become their face the same GOP who's now scrambling to save face because they are staring down another Election loss they are hoping the clown either has a bad accident or heart attack or just quits , I'm middle class immigrant the GOP has never looked out for my interest never , so go ahead you make sure you vote for Trump since his got your back he def doesn't have mine !!

will you please start using some punctuation I know it's hard but it renders your posts a little hard to read that's a shame because I'm interested to some degree about where you're coming from considering you're a middle class immigrant and thus have strong feelings about the clown who is the face of the GOP adding periods between your sentences would make it a lot easier for people to read !!

Ha! You were being ironic with that run on sentence, right?