An Open Letter to Pearl Jam: Get off the sidelines and join the political revolution!

BrokenGlassBrokenGlass Posts: 298
edited February 2016 in A Moving Train
Dear Ed, Stone, Jeff, Mike, Matt, and Boom -
If there was any doubt about the potential for a real political revolution in this country, the Iowa voters erased that doubt last night. Their message to the political establishment was what Dylan sang back in 1965:
Your old road is rapidly fading; please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a'changing

Now it's on to New Hampshire, where it sure looks like this train will continue to gather steam.

If you're afraid to hope; if all the Bushes and Trumps and the disappointment of Obama's corporate sellouts have left you cynical and jaded; if you just don't believe we have the political will to really make social change happen, I BEG you to read Michael Moore's endorsement of Bernie Sanders:
http://michaelmoore.com/MyEndorsementOfBernie/

You can add a seriously legitimate voice of support to Sen. Sanders' effort to reclaim the American dream. Please consider it. Thanks!

"“Call out the instigators, because there's something in the air. We've got to get together sooner or later, because the revolution's here, and you know it's right. ."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV2DerNIMJQ
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    Right on! This is happening and I hope PJ gets on board with this. No one expected Sanders to do as well as he did last night and the momentum is building.

    Get on board!
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    I think PJ may jump on once it's official. :)
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    edited February 2016
    Free said:

    I think PJ may jump on once it's official. :)

    Jump on with Bernie?
    Not if Kat has anything to do with it. ;)
    But seriously, PJ (or Eddie, at least) might support Hillary for all we know. And btw, what if half the band supports Hillary, and the other half supports Bernie or Trump (ha)? I guess that question is probably moot anyway, since the band will only show public support for whoever wins the nomination. If Bernie wins, sure, I'd expect them to support him. If Hillary wins, I'd expect them to support her.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Oh boy.Here we go
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    Uh, that's what I meant, PJSoul.

    But how can we forget the band standing together against corporate America? You remember the Ticketmaster fight. And how do we forget the photo of the band in front of the "corporations of America" flag?

    Who knows, maybe they love Big Banks Hillary. But they'll wait til Bernie makes it official. ;)
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    Free said:

    Uh, that's what I meant, PJSoul.

    But how can we forget the band standing together against corporate America? You remember the Ticketmaster fight. And how do we forget the photo of the band in front of the "corporations of America" flag?

    Who knows, maybe they love Big Banks Hillary. But they'll wait til Bernie makes it official. ;)

    Who knows. I don't feel like they are against big corporations anymore. Not really. They played a private show for Oracle for crying out loud.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    Everything this band does is done with integrity though. You can't really love Monsanto, Wall Street, and trashing our environment and still have the decency and integrity to donate so much money to social and environmental issues.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    edited February 2016
    Don't get me wrong. I think PJ is very socially responsible as bands go, and very generous (FTR, they donated the proceeds from that Oracle show). I just think they have largely abandoned their strong stance against mega corporations. And IMO it's pretty much because they didn't want to bother anymore, and also for business. It doesn't serve their business to stand against large corporations, and helps it to cooperate with them, which they now do. Show me the money.
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    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul said:

    Don't get me wrong. I think PJ is very socially responsible as bands go, and very generous (FTR, they donated the proceeds from that Oracle show). I just think they have largely abandoned their strong stance against mega corporations. And IMO it's pretty much because they didn't want to bother anymore, and also for business. It doesn't serve their business to stand against large corporations, and helps it to cooperate with them, which they now do. Show me the money.

    it still seems to me that they are picky about who they will get in bed with, though.

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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171
    I don't think we should presume all members of Pearl Jam currently are supporting the same candidate.
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  • the ticketmaster thing was never their fight. they were invited by congress to testify, they didn't openly call for it. ultimately, the fight should have been waged by the consumer. they just got tossed into the fire and were forced to try to put it out.

    they used Target as a distributor of Backspacer because they were the only ones that allowed the band free reign with their fanclub and also indie record stores. I think that's admirable. And all Target was doing was selling their product for them. not really about "show me the money".
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    JimmyV said:

    I don't think we should presume all members of Pearl Jam currently are supporting the same candidate.

    I would be surprised if they were.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    We should give the band guys a break and poll the roadies and guitar techs.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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  • Empty GlassEmpty Glass Posts: 12,329
    rr165892 said:

    Oh boy.Here we go

    ha, I'm with you. I prefer my rock bands to make music.

    I have always been 100% against the whole Rock the Vote thing or whatever. I understand it was (is) meant to get youth involved. I think it just makes more voters push buttons without doing any research. "Hey, Pearl Jam wants Person A in...I'll vote Person A"
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388

    rr165892 said:

    Oh boy.Here we go

    ha, I'm with you. I prefer my rock bands to make music.

    I have always been 100% against the whole Rock the Vote thing or whatever. I understand it was (is) meant to get youth involved. I think it just makes more voters push buttons without doing any research. "Hey, Pearl Jam wants Person A in...I'll vote Person A"
    They do have a stage and musicians drive to create sometimes comes from life's issues so it's just natural to have them bring up politics. With that said I disagree with fans requesting or even demanding "PJ GET OFF THE SIDELINES". Fk that, work on some music and if they want to communicate their thoughts, fine.

    Now think it must be frustrating for those that love the music but have alternative views. Was in hole in the wall place having a burger (big thick juicy hand made patties so go there specifically) and they sometimes have live acts. Roadie comes out to set up gear and he had Cruz shirt. We ate and left. Did not want to hear what this band had to say. And didn't give music a shot.
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    I want my Favorite acts spewing there political rhetoric about as much as I want my politicians quoting the bible and sucking the religious rights dick.

    Cal, you passed judgement by a roadies shirt?Thats a bit weak.Would you not listen to a band who's singer wears a cross or star around their neck?
    See,you can't judge so quick.If you were tired or the music sucks that's one thing,But you assumed the music would be what?
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  • rr165892 said:

    I want my Favorite acts spewing there political rhetoric about as much as I want my politicians quoting the bible and sucking the religious rights dick.

    Cal, you passed judgement by a roadies shirt?Thats a bit weak.Would you not listen to a band who's singer wears a cross or star around their neck?
    See,you can't judge so quick.If you were tired or the music sucks that's one thing,But you assumed the music would be what?

    I also find this a bit odd. how do you know he'd say anything during the show about his political views? enjoy the music until it becomes something else.

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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    rr165892 said:

    I want my Favorite acts spewing there political rhetoric about as much as I want my politicians quoting the bible and sucking the religious rights dick.

    Cal, you passed judgement by a roadies shirt?Thats a bit weak.Would you not listen to a band who's singer wears a cross or star around their neck?
    See,you can't judge so quick.If you were tired or the music sucks that's one thing,But you assumed the music would be what?

    Reread last line of my post. acknowledge I didn't give it a shot.

    As time goes on I want less and less ed talking.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • rr165892 said:

    I want my Favorite acts spewing there political rhetoric about as much as I want my politicians quoting the bible and sucking the religious rights dick.

    First, I understand that many fans are completely uninterested in hearing a band's political views during a show. That's absolutely legit and a matter of personal preference. But, here's my motivation for my original post:
    I want Bernie Sanders elected President and I fervently support the political revolution that it will take for him to be elected, for like-minded Congressional candidates to be elected, and for those policies to be implemented. It is no secret that for any of that to happen, a large segment of the non-voting population has to get energized and organized and motivated to go vote on election day. It is also no secret that a huge subset of the nonvoting population are young people who feel alienated and disenfranchised. I think many Pearl Jam fans fit that bill. Hence, I am urging Pearl Jam to use their cultural influence to spread the gospel of Bernie to folks who may otherwise not pay attention, assuming, of course, that they support Bernie. If that assumption is incorrect, at least I tried.
    Nothing new about any of this. Artists have shared their political views with their fans for centuries. I am sympathetic to your personal distaste for it, but I also am doing my best to help Sen. Sanders.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171
    Maybe your assumption is correct, maybe it's not, but it is a HUGE assumption to make. We don't know. They might not know yet either.
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697

    rr165892 said:

    I want my Favorite acts spewing there political rhetoric about as much as I want my politicians quoting the bible and sucking the religious rights dick.

    First, I understand that many fans are completely uninterested in hearing a band's political views during a show. That's absolutely legit and a matter of personal preference. But, here's my motivation for my original post:
    I want Bernie Sanders elected President and I fervently support the political revolution that it will take for him to be elected, for like-minded Congressional candidates to be elected, and for those policies to be implemented. It is no secret that for any of that to happen, a large segment of the non-voting population has to get energized and organized and motivated to go vote on election day. It is also no secret that a huge subset of the nonvoting population are young people who feel alienated and disenfranchised. I think many Pearl Jam fans fit that bill. Hence, I am urging Pearl Jam to use their cultural influence to spread the gospel of Bernie to folks who may otherwise not pay attention, assuming, of course, that they support Bernie. If that assumption is incorrect, at least I tried.
    Nothing new about any of this. Artists have shared their political views with their fans for centuries. I am sympathetic to your personal distaste for it, but I also am doing my best to help Sen. Sanders.
    it's great that your so passionate about the Bern.Good for you for at least being passionate.
    But many of us don't want him anywhere near the White House.He would do horrible damage to this country.Trust me I am not alone.And a lot of you starry eyed followers will realize that sometime in the future.
    When I go to a music show I want it to be a Fun relaxing festive evening.I don't want to be forced to listen to views I don't agree with.Remember I'm here to see the band,I'm not at a vote for choice special show.If that was the case,and I went,well tough shit on me.I don't want to listen to drunk obnoxious barley voting age twats spewing the political gospel.Dont I have the right to enjoy a non partisan,non political evening filled with nothing but a State Of Love And Trust?
    The voting booth or political rally's are the place for your euphoric Bernie worship.Leave it there.
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    callen said:

    rr165892 said:

    I want my Favorite acts spewing there political rhetoric about as much as I want my politicians quoting the bible and sucking the religious rights dick.

    Cal, you passed judgement by a roadies shirt?Thats a bit weak.Would you not listen to a band who's singer wears a cross or star around their neck?
    See,you can't judge so quick.If you were tired or the music sucks that's one thing,But you assumed the music would be what?

    Reread last line of my post. acknowledge I didn't give it a shot.

    As time goes on I want less and less ed talking.
    Tex,I'm pretty sure I want to drink with one of these shows in the future.lol
    And I agree totally.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    rr165892 said:

    rr165892 said:

    I want my Favorite acts spewing there political rhetoric about as much as I want my politicians quoting the bible and sucking the religious rights dick.

    First, I understand that many fans are completely uninterested in hearing a band's political views during a show. That's absolutely legit and a matter of personal preference. But, here's my motivation for my original post:
    I want Bernie Sanders elected President and I fervently support the political revolution that it will take for him to be elected, for like-minded Congressional candidates to be elected, and for those policies to be implemented. It is no secret that for any of that to happen, a large segment of the non-voting population has to get energized and organized and motivated to go vote on election day. It is also no secret that a huge subset of the nonvoting population are young people who feel alienated and disenfranchised. I think many Pearl Jam fans fit that bill. Hence, I am urging Pearl Jam to use their cultural influence to spread the gospel of Bernie to folks who may otherwise not pay attention, assuming, of course, that they support Bernie. If that assumption is incorrect, at least I tried.
    Nothing new about any of this. Artists have shared their political views with their fans for centuries. I am sympathetic to your personal distaste for it, but I also am doing my best to help Sen. Sanders.
    it's great that your so passionate about the Bern.Good for you for at least being passionate.
    But many of us don't want him anywhere near the White House.He would do horrible damage to this country.Trust me I am not alone.And a lot of you starry eyed followers will realize that sometime in the future.
    When I go to a music show I want it to be a Fun relaxing festive evening.I don't want to be forced to listen to views I don't agree with.Remember I'm here to see the band,I'm not at a vote for choice special show.If that was the case,and I went,well tough shit on me.I don't want to listen to drunk obnoxious barley voting age twats spewing the political gospel.Dont I have the right to enjoy a non partisan,non political evening filled with nothing but a State Of Love And Trust?
    The voting booth or political rally's are the place for your euphoric Bernie worship.Leave it there.
    That is an opinion, and while it has a sound basis in logic, it has very little support in historic data.
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    Note that the guy with the mic will say whatever he wants, when he wants.

    You don't like what the guy with the mic says? You can leave, I guess.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    I wonder how the average crowd would respond to Ed if he verbally showed support for Sanders at a show?
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171
    brianlux said:

    I wonder how the average crowd would respond to Ed if he verbally showed support for Sanders at a show?

    Geography of where the show was may play a role in the reaction. Tampa would probably be different than Boston, for example. But the average crowd? Some cheers, some groans, some who are uncomfortable and many more who have no reaction. I think it would be the same for either a Sanders or a Clinton endorsement.

    If there was ever a Republican endorsement the reaction would be utter shock. :lol:
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    JimmyV said:

    brianlux said:

    I wonder how the average crowd would respond to Ed if he verbally showed support for Sanders at a show?

    Geography of where the show was may play a role in the reaction. Tampa would probably be different than Boston, for example. But the average crowd? Some cheers, some groans, some who are uncomfortable and many more who have no reaction. I think it would be the same for either a Sanders or a Clinton endorsement.

    If there was ever a Republican endorsement the reaction would be utter shock. :lol:
    For sure, haha!
    Not all that long ago, Pearl Jam heartily supported a congressional candidate, Jon Tester, who became a senator in Montana. Ed supported Obama. I would think this election would elicit some kind of response from at least Ed, maybe some of the other guys.

    And if not, would this be an example that would support my supposition that is more often the young who invest their energy in change, especially progressive change?
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    Just listening to Pearl Jam radio, and Eddie said this at a new Orleans cancer in 2000:

    After "DTE," he mentions the Democratic convention: "I think Clinton was gonna speak tonight, and he was gonna say: 'My fellow Americans. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit ...'" Mentions Bush being worse than that, and urges people to study the issues and to vote. Just vote whatever you think."
  • I couldn't agree more, with the original post. Though some may prefer their "rock bands" to just get up and play the hits, PJ has never been ones to sit on the sidelines. Activism has always been a part of the band, and I thank them for it. I hope to see both PJ and Bernie at Bonnaroo!
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