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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    edited January 2016
    Anyone who has a turkey as an emotional support animal knows perfectly well that they have bigger issues. That's why they have the turkey.
    I don't care. As long as an animal doesn't shit on the plane or make a racket for the whole flight I have no problem with it at all no matter what kind of animal it is, and wouldn't mind sitting next to a turkey. A turkey is probably more interesting and less annoying than half the people who might sit next to me instead.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    For some of us, flying is a traumatic experience (which is why I refuse to fly) so I can see why some people would want an emotional support animal. But to be fair and honest, animals have feelings too so if we take an emotional support animal on board we need to allow the animal to take an emotional support animal with them as well. The turkey might choose a pig as an emotional support animal and I would support that. The pig will want a duck. So be it. The duck will want a moose. Right on. The moose will want a badger, etc. Noah had this all figured out. He was a smart dude.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    brianlux said:

    For some of us, flying is a traumatic experience (which is why I refuse to fly) so I can see why some people would want an emotional support animal. But to be fair and honest, animals have feelings too so if we take an emotional support animal on board we need to allow the animal to take an emotional support animal with them as well. The turkey might choose a pig as an emotional support animal and I would support that. The pig will want a duck. So be it. The duck will want a moose. Right on. The moose will want a badger, etc. Noah had this all figured out. He was a smart dude.

    Love this, B!

    I refuse to fly as well.

    While I don't doubt the legit need for some - and have seen and read of amazing interactions between therapy dogs and people at hospitals, hospices, retirement homes, etc. - some do exploit it. I recently saw a story of some dude who brought a huge therapy snake to a restaurant.

    Apparently the law here (according to what's been happening in the apartment division of my company) allows therapy pets even in buildings that normally wouldn't. And no financial penalties for any damages they may cause. The overseeing organization knows of this but seems hands are tied.
  • WhatYouTaughtMeWhatYouTaughtMe Posts: 4,957
    edited January 2016
    hedonist said:

    brianlux said:

    For some of us, flying is a traumatic experience (which is why I refuse to fly) so I can see why some people would want an emotional support animal. But to be fair and honest, animals have feelings too so if we take an emotional support animal on board we need to allow the animal to take an emotional support animal with them as well. The turkey might choose a pig as an emotional support animal and I would support that. The pig will want a duck. So be it. The duck will want a moose. Right on. The moose will want a badger, etc. Noah had this all figured out. He was a smart dude.

    Love this, B!

    I refuse to fly as well.

    While I don't doubt the legit need for some - and have seen and read of amazing interactions between therapy dogs and people at hospitals, hospices, retirement homes, etc. - some do exploit it. I recently saw a story of some dude who brought a huge therapy snake to a restaurant.

    Apparently the law here (according to what's been happening in the apartment division of my company) allows therapy pets even in buildings that normally wouldn't. And no financial penalties for any damages they may cause. The overseeing organization knows of this but seems hands are tied.
    I used to work in a restaurant that allowed them. I am not sure if it was a company policy or the law, but we were never allowed to ask for any kind of proof or documentation. Seems open to being abused.

    Honestly it sounds like this person on the plane was just having fun with it. I think the turkey was probably gaming them as well. I would bet money it can walk and was just using the wheelchair to get priority boarding.
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  • Indifference71Indifference71 Posts: 14,844
    I think it's getting out of hand. I was on a flight a few months ago and a dog took a shit in the aisle so we had the nice smell of dog shit in the air for most of the flight. I get that some people are afraid to fly and a dog may help that, but the fact that the rest of the plane that I was on had to deal with the smell of dog shit just because 1 person needed their dog is a bit much to me.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    Indifference71 said:

    I think it's getting out of hand. I was on a flight a few months ago and a dog took a shit in the aisle so we had the nice smell of dog shit in the air for most of the flight. I get that some people are afraid to fly and a dog may help that, but the fact that the rest of the plane that I was on had to deal with the smell of dog shit just because 1 person needed their dog is a bit much to me.

    Good grief! What next? Fire hydrants in the isles? Kitty litter boxes in every section?
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  • WhatYouTaughtMeWhatYouTaughtMe Posts: 4,957
    brianlux said:

    Indifference71 said:

    I think it's getting out of hand. I was on a flight a few months ago and a dog took a shit in the aisle so we had the nice smell of dog shit in the air for most of the flight. I get that some people are afraid to fly and a dog may help that, but the fact that the rest of the plane that I was on had to deal with the smell of dog shit just because 1 person needed their dog is a bit much to me.

    Good grief! What next? Fire hydrants in the isles? Kitty litter boxes in every section?
    Kitty litter boxes? That would be fantastic. I have bad luck on flights with the bathrooms always being occupied when I need them.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    WhatYouTaughtMe said:

    hedonist said:

    brianlux said:

    For some of us, flying is a traumatic experience (which is why I refuse to fly) so I can see why some people would want an emotional support animal. But to be fair and honest, animals have feelings too so if we take an emotional support animal on board we need to allow the animal to take an emotional support animal with them as well. The turkey might choose a pig as an emotional support animal and I would support that. The pig will want a duck. So be it. The duck will want a moose. Right on. The moose will want a badger, etc. Noah had this all figured out. He was a smart dude.

    Love this, B!

    I refuse to fly as well.

    While I don't doubt the legit need for some - and have seen and read of amazing interactions between therapy dogs and people at hospitals, hospices, retirement homes, etc. - some do exploit it. I recently saw a story of some dude who brought a huge therapy snake to a restaurant.

    Apparently the law here (according to what's been happening in the apartment division of my company) allows therapy pets even in buildings that normally wouldn't. And no financial penalties for any damages they may cause. The overseeing organization knows of this but seems hands are tied.
    I used to work in a restaurant that allowed them. I am not sure if it was a company policy or the law, but we were never allowed to ask for any kind of proof or documentation. Seems open to being abused.

    Honestly it sounds like this person on the plane was just having fun with it. I think the turkey was probably gaming them as well. I would bet money it can walk and was just using the wheelchair to get priority boarding.
    Nyuk nyuk!

    I've started to see more people at the supermarket with their dogs, no official service jacket/shirt. Doesn't really bother me personally and at the same time, no one seems to question it...except one woman who got unnecessarily pissed off. I'm guessing the management is under the same restrictions as you were.

    The thing is - for me, anyway - just having pets themselves is therapeutic. Being with them releases endorphins, brings happiness and smiles. Would I love to bring our fat cat George to work with me (even though he'd be freaked...bad example I suppose as our older one would be more chill)? But either way, hell yeah. It'd add such a nice dimension to that environment.

    But do I need to? No. And I think some folks take advantage of that law, like many other ones.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Indifference71 said:

    I think it's getting out of hand. I was on a flight a few months ago and a dog took a shit in the aisle so we had the nice smell of dog shit in the air for most of the flight. I get that some people are afraid to fly and a dog may help that, but the fact that the rest of the plane that I was on had to deal with the smell of dog shit just because 1 person needed their dog is a bit much to me.

    I'd be pissed off.

    I agree it's out of hand. You need a turkey to hold your hand? Geezuz man. I think what you really need is a Chadwick slap.

    C'mon, man.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    WhatYouTaughtMe said:

    brianlux said:

    Indifference71 said:

    I think it's getting out of hand. I was on a flight a few months ago and a dog took a shit in the aisle so we had the nice smell of dog shit in the air for most of the flight. I get that some people are afraid to fly and a dog may help that, but the fact that the rest of the plane that I was on had to deal with the smell of dog shit just because 1 person needed their dog is a bit much to me.

    Good grief! What next? Fire hydrants in the isles? Kitty litter boxes in every section?
    Kitty litter boxes? That would be fantastic. I have bad luck on flights with the bathrooms always being occupied when I need them.
    I can just see it, "Move aside cat, I need that box NOW!" :lol:
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  • EnkiduEnkidu Posts: 2,996
    This is a great article in the New Yorker. Alpacas? http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/20/pets-allowed

    I think service animals are fine if they're legit. But people shouldn't be allowed to abuse the system. As I joke I got a service vest for our dog (from Amazon) and it comes with a bunch of cards they say you can hand out to people - I think this isn't cool.

    "If you order right now you'll receive 50 ADA Info Cards FREE

    - Service Dog ADA Info Cards state your legal rights

    - Cards explain legal penalties for not complying

    - Give them to people that don't know your rights which allow you to bring your dog anywhere

    - States the only two questions businesses may ask about your Service Dog

    - States what businesses may not do or ask

    - Toll-Free Number to the Department of Justice"
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    edited January 2016
    Indifference71 said:

    I think it's getting out of hand. I was on a flight a few months ago and a dog took a shit in the aisle so we had the nice smell of dog shit in the air for most of the flight. I get that some people are afraid to fly and a dog may help that, but the fact that the rest of the plane that I was on had to deal with the smell of dog shit just because 1 person needed their dog is a bit much to me.

    Yeah, that's gross.
    I really wouldn't care of everyone on the plane brought some kind of pet on board with them, but not if makes the flight disgusting for other passengers, and i don't know how that could be controlled on a flight longer than maybe a couple of hours, and that is assuming the pet owners did everything right pre-flight.
    I am wondering why the flight crew and/or dog owner did such a bad job of cleaning the shit up though. If they'd done a good job the stink would not have remained like that. I have experience with pet shit on carpet, lol.
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  • ldent42ldent42 Posts: 7,859
    I got bit by a turkey once.

    True story.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    ldent42 said:

    I got bit by a turkey once.

    True story.

    I imagine that did not feel good!

    We had a wild turkey stick around the place one year and after just a few days it would eat out of our hands. Did you know that there are whole books written about how to hunt wild turkeys? That just seems so ludicrous to me. If I were into that I could just sit on my porch and pick them off as the waddled by. But they're so cool and beautiful and having one eat out of my hand... I would never do harm to something that cool. Why, I might even just have to take one for a plane ride if I ever go up again!

    Or maybe an AMTRAK ride! Turkey on A Moving Train. Whoo hoo!!
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,767
    edited January 2016
    According to the ADA (as I understand it) businesses are NOT allowed to challenge someone's claim of having a service animal. Therefore you can bring your service dog, snake, turkey, elephant wherever you want.

    In addition there is NO national or state certification for service animals so anyone can claim any animal as a "service animal". No training necessary.

    You can print out your own "service animal" identification at home if you want. Feel free to order a "service animal " vest from any number of online resources.

    And YES people take advantage of this all the time.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Guess some of you have seen this? Very sweet, and a nice counter to those not truly in need.
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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    wild turkeys are ghosts of the forests. true fact. the native american indians would refer to turkeys as spirits, as elusive as supernatural. you can literally walk up to a wild turkey & not even see them standing there until you nearly step on the bird & it flaps its wings loudly taking flight right under your chin. quail do the same stuff. it is startling. wild turkey are smart little shits. turkey eat gravel/little stones & sand to aid their gizzard in digestion

    i would enjoy seeing a turkey on a plane.

    lots of folks are carrying their bunk ass chihuahuas with them as they grocery shop. this is odd to me but whatever. i guess we're all nuts
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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    thirty bills undone,
    you crack me up
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
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  • rollingsrollings Posts: 7,124
    my boyfriend has an aunt who has a cow for a service animal.

    As he puts it, she is a woman of size and is dependent on the cow to pull her around sometimes.

    She was once maybe even denied service on a tour yacht because she has a cow.
  • rollingsrollings Posts: 7,124
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    rollings said:

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    So it is true that "nature bats last" huh? :lol:
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  • RKCNDYRKCNDY Posts: 31,013
    rollings said:

    my boyfriend has an aunt who has a cow for a service animal.

    As he puts it, she is a woman of size and is dependent on the cow to pull her around sometimes.

    She was once maybe even denied service on a tour yacht because she has a cow.

    Those are some pretty big poop bags she has to carry around...
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  • xhausted1xhausted1 Posts: 126
    Bentleyspop said:

    According to the ADA (as I understand it) businesses are NOT allowed to challenge someone's claim of having a service animal. Therefore you can bring your service dog, snake, turkey, elephant wherever you want.

    In addition there is NO national or state certification for service animals so anyone can claim any animal as a "service animal". No training necessary.

    You can print out your own "service animal" identification at home if you want. Feel free to order a "service animal " vest from any number of online resources.

    And YES people take advantage of this all the time.

    Happened here. A man brought his pet snake in a restaurant & had it hanging around his neck like a scarf. He said it was his service animal to help with PTSD. I am sure he was mocking the idea of service animals. The restaurant let him sit there with the snake because they were scared of a lawsuit.
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    holy smokes

    https://youtu.be/t7a0eQleWiw
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    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    another edited '.' thread. wtf? weird.

    Anyway...I know people who have declared their pets as service animals when flying, when they were 100% NOT service animals. But I can't blame them after reading stories like this:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2512223/United-Airlines-Almost-Killed-My-Greyhound-Dog-left-hot-tarmac.html
    Who wants to risk subjecting their fur babies to that shit? I'd rather have a plane full of people pissed at me than worry for an entire flight that my dog was dying a slow death underneath me (if I had one).

    Maybe the compromise is to force airlines to provide separate areas for animals in the cargo space (one that is temperature controlled), and allow for a different loading procedure?
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    Drowned Out said:

    another edited '.' thread. wtf? weird.

    Anyway...I know people who have declared their pets as service animals when flying, when they were 100% NOT service animals. But I can't blame them after reading stories like this:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2512223/United-Airlines-Almost-Killed-My-Greyhound-Dog-left-hot-tarmac.html
    Who wants to risk subjecting their fur babies to that shit? I'd rather have a plane full of people pissed at me than worry for an entire flight that my dog was dying a slow death underneath me (if I had one).

    Maybe the compromise is to force airlines to provide separate areas for animals in the cargo space (one that is temperature controlled), and allow for a different loading procedure?

    That sounds like a good compromise. I would never travel with a cat or dog but if I did, I would expect a climate controlled animal cargo space would incur extra costs and I would be willing to pay extra for whatever it took to keep the animal safe.

    It's interesting to see how the airline industry has changed. From the time I was 7 or 8 years old, I grew up in an airline family and in the late 50's and sixties it was a different world. People dressed up for flights, the food was good, they gave kids pilot wing pins, a complimentary deck of cards if you asked for them, the flight attendants were friendly, polite and very helpful, blankets and pillows were available to keep you comfortable, leg room was plenty adequate and no one brought animals on the plane. The only problem I can recall (I don't fly anymore) was that smoking was allowed on planes.



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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    Pet-friendly flights might work. Say make every 10th flight on every route pet-friendly to give people flying with pets an option (albeit a less flexible one, with much less frequent flights), allowing people who don't want to be on a flight with pets to avoid those flights (or maybe even give people flying without a pet in a pet-friendly flight a discount or something).
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    This thread is about people who depend on animals.
    Deleted "." by me to not be construed as.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    This thread is about people who depend on animals.
    Deleted "." by me to not be construed as.

    So, the thread is to not be construed as being about people who depend on animals and yet that is what you say the thread is about.

    Is the answer, "The plum tree in the courtyard"?
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    This thread is about people who depend on animals.
    Deleted "." by me to not be construed as.

    This thread became a conversation about pets on planes too.
    If a person depends on an animal the airline is legally obligated to allow it as far as I know, but there should be medical documentation involved.
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