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A.I. Pro or Con?

brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
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So lets step away from the blood, the gore, and the ludicrous for a few minutes and discuss Artificial Intelligence. Are you pro or con or somewhere in between? The question was prompted by this article:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/12/artificial-intelligence-elon-musk-backs-open-project-to-benefit-humanity



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  • eddieceddiec Posts: 3,881
    Good question.
    For long distance space flight it would be an absolute necessity. I guess it would open the door for endless possibilities.
    As a sci-fi fan I've been barraged with what could go wrong. Which could definitely be a possibility. But I wouldn't oppose it because of that potential. In the near future, after humans finally make the earth uninhabitable, maybe A.I. will live on long after us.
    So, yes, I'm for it.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171
    Science fiction definitely treats A.I. as science horror more often than not. (Speaking of...I highly recommend Ex Machina.) I know there are uses and potential benefits but I'm a con on this. We just don't know, and eventually someone somewhere will create something they cannot control.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,593
    I would assume an AI entity would come to conclude that humans are parasites that need eradicated.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171
    mickeyrat said:

    I would assume an AI entity would come to conclude that humans are parasites that need eradicated.

    Yep.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    What I don't get is this:

    Musk has been critical of the possible harm from artificial intelligence, telling Massachusetts Institute of Technology students that “if I had to guess at what our biggest existential threat is, it’s probably that”.

    If AI is more of a threat to us than all the others things that could do us in (climate change, pollution, disease, nuclear war), instead of trying to make AI friendly, I would think Musk would want to work to make it illegal or stop the research in that direction.

    I'm definitely against development of AI.
    mickeyrat said:

    I would assume an AI entity would come to conclude that humans are parasites that need eradicated.

    Maybe in the long run that would be good for the planet... or maybe the machines would make it worse because they could survive in a lifeless world.

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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    The article linked didn't shed much light on the issue itself, B. Seemed a bit round-about-wordy.

    What IS artificial intelligence? I get that we already have it to some degree, but giving up to something that thinks on my behalf, makes judgement calls, safety calls?

    Earlier I was listening to the Beatles - Think for Yourself. That's what I'd rather do. I trust more in myself.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited December 2015
    hedonist said:

    What IS artificial intelligence? I get that we already have it to some degree, but giving up to something that thinks on my behalf, makes judgement calls, safety calls?

    Think for Yourself. That's what I'd rather do. I trust more in myself.

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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Well, the mods are moderating and doing their job. Maybe censoring in a way? Sometimes seems that way but in the end, I get it ( :giggle: ). I pay my dues, have signed up here with certain understandings, agreements. That's fine. Part and parcel.

    Thankfully though, no one is in my head, making my decisions or choices. Seems that'd be deliberately ceded.

    Do I want a car thinking for me? Fuck no.

    Has basic critical thought become so invaluable and uncommon and maybe strenuous that some are willing to hand it over to someone/something else? I hope the fuck not.

    I hope this isn't a new bandwagon. If so, I'm not jumping on!
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    hedonist said:

    The article linked didn't shed much light on the issue itself, B. Seemed a bit round-about-wordy.

    What IS artificial intelligence? I get that we already have it to some degree, but giving up to something that thinks on my behalf, makes judgement calls, safety calls?

    Earlier I was listening to the Beatles - Think for Yourself. That's what I'd rather do. I trust more in myself.

    Artificial Intelligence, as I understand it, is a machine's ability to perceive things and make decisions based on those perceptions. The concern I have over A.I. is that at some point, a machine will be able to make decisions on it's own regardless of it's initial programming. At it's most sophisticated, A.I. would allow the machine to use it's own developed sense of logic to act upon a situation. If the machine sees humans as a threat to itself, it might chose to eliminate the human race. This would actually be an easy thing to do if enough machines came to the same conclusion. Even worse (dare I say), machines may find no logical reason for the earth to support any biological life. The machine requires no food, air. water, only energy and resources and without any biological life utilizing those resources, it would have the liberty to consume whatever it wanted. Why would it do this? I don't know. You'd have to ask a machine.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited December 2015
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  • ldent42ldent42 Posts: 7,859
    I feel like Mr. Musk probably had a Terminator movie marathon and decided it's his mission to prevent skynet from happening.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Maybe AI is the way of the future.
    We can program sustainable ways with no pushback.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Maybe AI is the way of the future.
    We can program sustainable ways with no pushback.

    No doubt it could be used to be good as long as it doesn't get in the hands of mad scientists- or becomes mad itself!. Imagine a sociopathic android. Not hard to do if you think about Awwwnold!
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Interesting
    Google and NASA are using the machines to advance artificial intelligence and machine learning.

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3015538/emerging-technology/quantum-computing-may-be-moving-out-of-science-fiction.html

    And of course a shout out for it being Canadian made eh! "While there has been heated debate in the computing industry and the world of physics over whether one Canadian company, D-Wave Systems, has built a true quantum computer, there is new evidence that its quantum system is showing results.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Interesting
    Google and NASA are using the machines to advance artificial intelligence and machine learning.

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3015538/emerging-technology/quantum-computing-may-be-moving-out-of-science-fiction.html

    And of course a shout out for it being Canadian made eh! "While there has been heated debate in the computing industry and the world of physics over whether one Canadian company, D-Wave Systems, has built a true quantum computer, there is new evidence that its quantum system is showing results.

    Seems I read somewhere that quantum computers only work at super extreme cold temperatures which are very difficult to attain. Have they figured that one out yet?
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    brianlux said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Interesting
    Google and NASA are using the machines to advance artificial intelligence and machine learning.

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3015538/emerging-technology/quantum-computing-may-be-moving-out-of-science-fiction.html

    And of course a shout out for it being Canadian made eh! "While there has been heated debate in the computing industry and the world of physics over whether one Canadian company, D-Wave Systems, has built a true quantum computer, there is new evidence that its quantum system is showing results.

    Seems I read somewhere that quantum computers only work at super extreme cold temperatures which are very difficult to attain. Have they figured that one out yet?
    Yes my friend.
    Up here in Canada we have the extremes you speak of.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    brianlux said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Interesting
    Google and NASA are using the machines to advance artificial intelligence and machine learning.

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3015538/emerging-technology/quantum-computing-may-be-moving-out-of-science-fiction.html

    And of course a shout out for it being Canadian made eh! "While there has been heated debate in the computing industry and the world of physics over whether one Canadian company, D-Wave Systems, has built a true quantum computer, there is new evidence that its quantum system is showing results.

    Seems I read somewhere that quantum computers only work at super extreme cold temperatures which are very difficult to attain. Have they figured that one out yet?
    Yes my friend.
    Up here in Canada we have the extremes you speak of.
    Approximately 80mK?! That's .02 degrees above absolute zero (which is minus 459.67 degrees Fahrenheit), the necessary coldness for a quantum computer to function properly!

    Brrrrrr!!!
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    If art does indeed imitate life then we are doomed, lol.

    It'll be something when all these drones start attacking.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,593
    brianlux said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Maybe AI is the way of the future.
    We can program sustainable ways with no pushback.

    No doubt it could be used to be good as long as it doesn't get in the hands of mad scientists- or becomes mad itself!. Imagine a sociopathic android. Not hard to do if you think about Awwwnold!
    Fundamental flaw is that humans are involved period. It would het fucked up for sure. We cant be trusted.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    edited December 2015
    Haven't followed thread so apologies if discussed or I'm off the rails.

    My thoughts are that I'm not too concerned as long as we can cut the power. Do cringe at thought of self driving cars. May change my mind in 25 years when I'm really old. Ha.
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  • ldent42ldent42 Posts: 7,859
    I watch/read way too much sci-fi to have a fair opinion on this. Have you guys seen the Christmas Special of Black Mirror? No spoilers, but it does deal with AI in a sense. It's scary.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    brianlux said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    brianlux said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Interesting
    Google and NASA are using the machines to advance artificial intelligence and machine learning.

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3015538/emerging-technology/quantum-computing-may-be-moving-out-of-science-fiction.html

    And of course a shout out for it being Canadian made eh! "While there has been heated debate in the computing industry and the world of physics over whether one Canadian company, D-Wave Systems, has built a true quantum computer, there is new evidence that its quantum system is showing results.

    Seems I read somewhere that quantum computers only work at super extreme cold temperatures which are very difficult to attain. Have they figured that one out yet?
    Yes my friend.
    Up here in Canada we have the extremes you speak of.
    Approximately 80mK?! That's .02 degrees above absolute zero (which is minus 459.67 degrees Fahrenheit), the necessary coldness for a quantum computer to function properly!

    Brrrrrr!!!
    Nah,
    Just another winter in the prairies.
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