Halifax does his research.

brianlux

And the point is well made. Thank you H2M!

Look at all the gun killing! Crazy freakin Americans! Where else does this happen???

ldent42

I've never been made so sad by looking at a thread list as I just have.

What the fuck.


Take the guns away. Take the bullets away. At this point I don't think it matters anymore.

callen

Have seen multiple pick ups running around my neck of the woods with huge flags strapped to roll bar. Confederate flag and Come and Take it being the most popular. Our ISIS just instead of Toyota Hilux, Dodge Rams. Oh yeah the Dodges are packing AK's as well. Just not yet mounted in bed.

HughFreakingDillon

I need to stay away from AMT for a while. I understand what Halifax is doing, but reliving all these at the same time is too much.

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

I need to stay away from AMT for a while. I understand what Halifax is doing, but reliving all these at the same time is too much.

I can appreciate how you feel in that regard, HFD, but at the same time, the insanity of gun related violence is super well illustrated by H2M's digging up these post here and it serves well as a reminder. I think we do need this kind of reminder. I think American society needs to look closely in the mirror and see how dysfunctional and sick in some ways it is. Thinking about that bugs me so much I can't even make the grammar work correctly.

callen

Brian, I Just realize we're not as civilized as we want to think we are and as our population expands further there will be more and more death. Natural cycle of life on planet earth. Wrote post describing similarities of humans and macaque monkeys and that fell flat. But think similarities tell the story.

All don't despair. Life is still wonderful and not a bad time in human history to be live.

ldent42

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I need to stay away from AMT for a while. I understand what Halifax is doing, but reliving all these at the same time is too much.

I can appreciate how you feel in that regard, HFD, but at the same time, the insanity of gun related violence is super well illustrated by H2M's digging up these post here and it serves well as a reminder. I think we do need this kind of reminder. I think American society needs to look closely in the mirror and see how dysfunctional and sick in some ways it is. Thinking about that bugs me so much I can't even make the grammar work correctly.

I'm with Hugh on this one. My state has the strictest laws in the country now. There's nothing left to do here. It's awful.

PJ_Soul

Yep, he certainly made the point he was trying to make!

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I need to stay away from AMT for a while. I understand what Halifax is doing, but reliving all these at the same time is too much.

I can appreciate how you feel in that regard, HFD, but at the same time, the insanity of gun related violence is super well illustrated by H2M's digging up these post here and it serves well as a reminder. I think we do need this kind of reminder. I think American society needs to look closely in the mirror and see how dysfunctional and sick in some ways it is. Thinking about that bugs me so much I can't even make the grammar work correctly.

it bothers me so much, and not just when these shootings happen. I honestly don't need the reminder. I understand some do, but I don't. I'm not faulting Halifax for doing it, just saying it can be tough for me to take. I've got young girls in school and it terrifies me to think that maybe one day this will happen in Canada. I certainly hope not, but it might. they do lockdown drills at school, but given our culture I don't think it would do much. The school doors are open to anyone during school hours, and all that is stopping anyone is a polite sign asking visitors to sign in at the office.

And my kids talk about it to us. "in case bad guys come". breaks my heart.

BS44325

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I need to stay away from AMT for a while. I understand what Halifax is doing, but reliving all these at the same time is too much.

I can appreciate how you feel in that regard, HFD, but at the same time, the insanity of gun related violence is super well illustrated by H2M's digging up these post here and it serves well as a reminder. I think we do need this kind of reminder. I think American society needs to look closely in the mirror and see how dysfunctional and sick in some ways it is. Thinking about that bugs me so much I can't even make the grammar work correctly.

it bothers me so much, and not just when these shootings happen. I honestly don't need the reminder. I understand some do, but I don't. I'm not faulting Halifax for doing it, just saying it can be tough for me to take. I've got young girls in school and it terrifies me to think that maybe one day this will happen in Canada. I certainly hope not, but it might. they do lockdown drills at school, but given our culture I don't think it would do much. The school doors are open to anyone during school hours, and all that is stopping anyone is a polite sign asking visitors to sign in at the office.

And my kids talk about it to us. "in case bad guys come". breaks my heart.

Unfortunately it has already happened in our country. One of the most famous cases was the Montreal Massacre by Marc Lepine

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Lépine

It is that tragedy which led to the Canadian Long Gun Registry which was a massive boondoggle that only target law abiding Canadian gun owners. It did nothing to reduce crime and/or gun related deaths.

HughFreakingDillon

BS44325 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I need to stay away from AMT for a while. I understand what Halifax is doing, but reliving all these at the same time is too much.

I can appreciate how you feel in that regard, HFD, but at the same time, the insanity of gun related violence is super well illustrated by H2M's digging up these post here and it serves well as a reminder. I think we do need this kind of reminder. I think American society needs to look closely in the mirror and see how dysfunctional and sick in some ways it is. Thinking about that bugs me so much I can't even make the grammar work correctly.

it bothers me so much, and not just when these shootings happen. I honestly don't need the reminder. I understand some do, but I don't. I'm not faulting Halifax for doing it, just saying it can be tough for me to take. I've got young girls in school and it terrifies me to think that maybe one day this will happen in Canada. I certainly hope not, but it might. they do lockdown drills at school, but given our culture I don't think it would do much. The school doors are open to anyone during school hours, and all that is stopping anyone is a polite sign asking visitors to sign in at the office.

And my kids talk about it to us. "in case bad guys come". breaks my heart.

Unfortunately it has already happened in our country. One of the most famous cases was the Montreal Massacre by Marc Lepine

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Lépine

It is that tragedy which led to the Canadian Long Gun Registry which was a massive boondoggle that only target law abiding Canadian gun owners. It did nothing to reduce crime and/or gun related deaths.

I know it has. I just meant to the same degree/frequency as the US.

Enkidu

I'm not trying to go all religious on this but - 4 or 5 years ago my family started going back to church. Sandy Hook happened. At church, our priest talked about it, cried a little, and one member of the congregation (an actor - this is LA, so he's got this great, beautiful voice) stood up and read the names of the victims. So many names.

And now I feel like every time I go to church, the priest has to talk about another shooting. After one shooting he said, "It's time to address the gun problem in the U.S." (Episcopal progressive church)

The point of my post - I can't remember which shooting it was because there have been so many. It was between Charleston and the Paris attacks.

This is craziness. I don't know what the answer is. I'm NOT saying to pray the problem away. But when there are so many mass killings in the U.S., something is wrong. Isn't there any way to fix it?

PJ_Soul

Maybe the American education system can step it up. Like develop an actual curriculum aimed at raising future generations to not buy into the American gun culture and also how to deal with problems in non-violent ways. Again, while gun laws are a problem, the main issue is culture IMO (the gun culture and otherwise). That isn't exactly an easy thing to confront... how to change major flaws in a culture???? I don't know... But focusing more on community rather than the individual might help. America is VERY into the individual. The overwhelming fixation on money and fame doesn't help either.

JimmyV

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ldent42

PJ_Soul said:

Maybe the American education system can step it up. Like develop an actual curriculum aimed at raising future generations to not buy into the American gun culture and also how to deal with problems in non-violent ways. Again, while gun laws are a problem, the main issue is culture IMO (the gun culture and otherwise). That isn't exactly an easy thing to confront... how to change major flaws in a culture???? I don't know... But focusing more on community rather than the individual might help. America is VERY into the individual. I doubt the overwhelming fixation on money and fame doesn't help either.

Are you familiar with the nightmare known as "common core"?
What the American education system needs is a goddamn intervention. We cannot be allowed to do these things ourselves anymore. Some states actually have creationism being taught int schools. Regular public school.

What I'm saying is don't count on our education to do anything other than maaaaaybe make things worse.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

Maybe the American education system can step it up. Like develop an actual curriculum aimed at raising future generations to not buy into the American gun culture and also how to deal with problems in non-violent ways. Again, while gun laws are a problem, the main issue is culture IMO (the gun culture and otherwise). That isn't exactly an easy thing to confront... how to change major flaws in a culture???? I don't know... But focusing more on community rather than the individual might help. America is VERY into the individual. I doubt the overwhelming fixation on money and fame doesn't help either.

the gun lobby would destroy any politician that tried to put this into the education system. I think it's a great idea, but it won't ever happen. nothing will change until politicians stand up in unison and say "fuck you NRA".

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

Maybe the American education system can step it up. Like develop an actual curriculum aimed at raising future generations to not buy into the American gun culture and also how to deal with problems in non-violent ways. Again, while gun laws are a problem, the main issue is culture IMO (the gun culture and otherwise). That isn't exactly an easy thing to confront... how to change major flaws in a culture???? I don't know... But focusing more on community rather than the individual might help. America is VERY into the individual. I doubt the overwhelming fixation on money and fame doesn't help either.

the gun lobby would destroy any politician that tried to put this into the education system. I think it's a great idea, but it won't ever happen. nothing will change until politicians stand up in unison and say "fuck you NRA".

True. I actually keep forgetting the power that the NRA has down there, probably because it is just SO fucking nuts that it's hard to believe even when I know it's true!
Well then.... up to the public then I guess. Although some kind of political corruption watchdog squad who really got hardcore about it would help too... again, never going to happen. Sooooo....... I guess everyone just has to keep watching the carnage until the US collapses.

PJ_Soul

ldent42 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Maybe the American education system can step it up. Like develop an actual curriculum aimed at raising future generations to not buy into the American gun culture and also how to deal with problems in non-violent ways. Again, while gun laws are a problem, the main issue is culture IMO (the gun culture and otherwise). That isn't exactly an easy thing to confront... how to change major flaws in a culture???? I don't know... But focusing more on community rather than the individual might help. America is VERY into the individual. I doubt the overwhelming fixation on money and fame doesn't help either.

Are you familiar with the nightmare known as "common core"?
What the American education system needs is a goddamn intervention. We cannot be allowed to do these things ourselves anymore. Some states actually have creationism being taught int schools. Regular public school.

What I'm saying is don't count on our education to do anything other than maaaaaybe make things worse.

gimmesometruth27

nice job halifax. it is really sad to see some of these threads from years ago knowing that nothing is any different than it was 5 years ago.

Halifax2TheMax

And to think there are folks on this forum who think nothing needs to change except more people should be armed and there should be less restrictions on firearm sales and ownership. And some of them advocate from the realitively much safer confines of Oh Canada.

I share your sadness.

jnimhaoileoin

This seems to reflect your feelings Halifax

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2015/12/03/america-stuck-on-repeat/

PJfanwillneverleave1

What would it take to change the "Right To Keep/Bear Arms" thing you guys seem so impassioned about?
Is that a no go? Is it possible?
Referendum?
What?
I think the US needs to look at how that right is instilled in the minds of youth.

mickeyrat

PJ_Soul said:

Maybe the American education system can step it up. Like develop an actual curriculum aimed at raising future generations to not buy into the American gun culture and also how to deal with problems in non-violent ways. Again, while gun laws are a problem, the main issue is culture IMO (the gun culture and otherwise). That isn't exactly an easy thing to confront... how to change major flaws in a culture???? I don't know... But focusing more on community rather than the individual might help. America is VERY into the individual. I doubt the overwhelming fixation on money and fame doesn't help either.

Its cultural but beyond simply the gun culture. We as a society seem to have done a poor job of teaching civility, particularly as the internet has proliferated, incivility has gotten way beyond worse.

Put simply, we as a nation are frustrated and cant deal with it.

jnimhaoileoin

mickeyrat said:

PJ_Soul said:

Maybe the American education system can step it up. Like develop an actual curriculum aimed at raising future generations to not buy into the American gun culture and also how to deal with problems in non-violent ways. Again, while gun laws are a problem, the main issue is culture IMO (the gun culture and otherwise). That isn't exactly an easy thing to confront... how to change major flaws in a culture???? I don't know... But focusing more on community rather than the individual might help. America is VERY into the individual. I doubt the overwhelming fixation on money and fame doesn't help either.

Its cultural but beyond simply the gun culture. We as a society seem to have done a poor job of teaching civility, particularly as the internet has proliferated, incivility has gotten way beyond worse.

Put simply, we as a nation are frustrated and cant deal with it.

And you don't trust your government, to me that plays a huge part in it. You're all so removed from your representatives and the relationship with them seems wholly adversarial

brianlux

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

What would it take to change the "Right To Keep/Bear Arms" thing you guys seem so impassioned about?
Is that a no go? Is it possible?
Referendum?
What?
I think the US needs to look at how that right is instilled in the minds of youth.

Easy: Right to arm bears.

brianlux

jnimhaoileoin said:

mickeyrat said:

PJ_Soul said:

Maybe the American education system can step it up. Like develop an actual curriculum aimed at raising future generations to not buy into the American gun culture and also how to deal with problems in non-violent ways. Again, while gun laws are a problem, the main issue is culture IMO (the gun culture and otherwise). That isn't exactly an easy thing to confront... how to change major flaws in a culture???? I don't know... But focusing more on community rather than the individual might help. America is VERY into the individual. I doubt the overwhelming fixation on money and fame doesn't help either.

Its cultural but beyond simply the gun culture. We as a society seem to have done a poor job of teaching civility, particularly as the internet has proliferated, incivility has gotten way beyond worse.

Put simply, we as a nation are frustrated and cant deal with it.

And you don't trust your government, to me that plays a huge part in it. You're all so removed from your representatives and the relationship with them seems wholly adversarial

A lot of this has to do with the fact that too many of us have little or no education about government and even less participation.

mickeyrat

brianlux said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mickeyrat said:

PJ_Soul said:

Maybe the American education system can step it up. Like develop an actual curriculum aimed at raising future generations to not buy into the American gun culture and also how to deal with problems in non-violent ways. Again, while gun laws are a problem, the main issue is culture IMO (the gun culture and otherwise). That isn't exactly an easy thing to confront... how to change major flaws in a culture???? I don't know... But focusing more on community rather than the individual might help. America is VERY into the individual. I doubt the overwhelming fixation on money and fame doesn't help either.

Its cultural but beyond simply the gun culture. We as a society seem to have done a poor job of teaching civility, particularly as the internet has proliferated, incivility has gotten way beyond worse.

Put simply, we as a nation are frustrated and cant deal with it.

And you don't trust your government, to me that plays a huge part in it. You're all so removed from your representatives and the relationship with them seems wholly adversarial

A lot of this has to do with the fact that too many of us have little or no education about government and even less participation.

Gerrymandered districts. . 37 competative seats out of 435?

brianlux

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mickeyrat said:

PJ_Soul said:

Maybe the American education system can step it up. Like develop an actual curriculum aimed at raising future generations to not buy into the American gun culture and also how to deal with problems in non-violent ways. Again, while gun laws are a problem, the main issue is culture IMO (the gun culture and otherwise). That isn't exactly an easy thing to confront... how to change major flaws in a culture???? I don't know... But focusing more on community rather than the individual might help. America is VERY into the individual. I doubt the overwhelming fixation on money and fame doesn't help either.

Its cultural but beyond simply the gun culture. We as a society seem to have done a poor job of teaching civility, particularly as the internet has proliferated, incivility has gotten way beyond worse.

Put simply, we as a nation are frustrated and cant deal with it.

And you don't trust your government, to me that plays a huge part in it. You're all so removed from your representatives and the relationship with them seems wholly adversarial

A lot of this has to do with the fact that too many of us have little or no education about government and even less participation.

Gerrymandered districts. . 37 competative seats out of 435?

Ah yes, the magic moving markers!

ldent42

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mickeyrat said:

PJ_Soul said:

Maybe the American education system can step it up. Like develop an actual curriculum aimed at raising future generations to not buy into the American gun culture and also how to deal with problems in non-violent ways. Again, while gun laws are a problem, the main issue is culture IMO (the gun culture and otherwise). That isn't exactly an easy thing to confront... how to change major flaws in a culture???? I don't know... But focusing more on community rather than the individual might help. America is VERY into the individual. I doubt the overwhelming fixation on money and fame doesn't help either.

Its cultural but beyond simply the gun culture. We as a society seem to have done a poor job of teaching civility, particularly as the internet has proliferated, incivility has gotten way beyond worse.

Put simply, we as a nation are frustrated and cant deal with it.

And you don't trust your government, to me that plays a huge part in it. You're all so removed from your representatives and the relationship with them seems wholly adversarial

A lot of this has to do with the fact that too many of us have little or no education about government and even less participation.

Gerrymandered districts. . 37 competative seats out of 435?

To illustrate Brian's point, I have no idea what this means^^

brianlux

ldent42 said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mickeyrat said:

PJ_Soul said:

Maybe the American education system can step it up. Like develop an actual curriculum aimed at raising future generations to not buy into the American gun culture and also how to deal with problems in non-violent ways. Again, while gun laws are a problem, the main issue is culture IMO (the gun culture and otherwise). That isn't exactly an easy thing to confront... how to change major flaws in a culture???? I don't know... But focusing more on community rather than the individual might help. America is VERY into the individual. I doubt the overwhelming fixation on money and fame doesn't help either.

Its cultural but beyond simply the gun culture. We as a society seem to have done a poor job of teaching civility, particularly as the internet has proliferated, incivility has gotten way beyond worse.

Put simply, we as a nation are frustrated and cant deal with it.

And you don't trust your government, to me that plays a huge part in it. You're all so removed from your representatives and the relationship with them seems wholly adversarial

A lot of this has to do with the fact that too many of us have little or no education about government and even less participation.

Gerrymandered districts. . 37 competative seats out of 435?

To illustrate Brian's point, I have no idea what this means^^

If I'm correct, it means moving district boundaries around to get your candidate in the back door. Not sure why the metaphor "the magic moving markers" popped into my head. Smoke and mirrors maybe?

Edit: None of knows all the in and outs of gov. Learning anything is good, more is better. I know I could learn a lot more, that's for sure.

BS44325

Halifax2TheMax said:

And to think there are folks on this forum who think nothing needs to change except more people should be armed and there should be less restrictions on firearm sales and ownership. And some of them advocate from the realitively much safer confines of Oh Canada.

I share your sadness.

Hmmm...I don't think I'm advocating for less restrictions. There you go being disingenuous as usual. You are the one demanding change and I have simply asked you what change are you proposing that will really make a difference. Your only answer is "in due time". You are practicing hashtag activism and are really advocating for nothing other then hotair and bluster. It is a sad waste of energy in a serious world.