Turns Out People Get Angry When You Say White Americans Are Terroriosts Too....

ldent42

Who Princess said:

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

dudeman said:

Is that necessary?

some would argue so.

also, I just think it's an interesting discussion that Americans seem to be fearful of calling domestics terrorists; my guess is because they can't wrap their head around a "christian" being classified the same as a brown guy from the mid east with a bomb strapped to his body.

I don't think race/religion has anything to do with it at all. Like others have said above, I think it comes down to the scale of the operation and the frequency. I can't remember the last abortion clinic murder (was it somewhere in Kansas?), but could probably count off ten different attacks by ISIS off the top of my head in 2015. You can call it terrorism or whatever, but what I think people in this thread are looking for is the outrage for the PP attack rather than calling it "terrorism". And I think the outrage isn't as public or prevalent in part that the frequency isn't there. They see this more as an isolated attack.

I, for one, recall a number of abortion related murders or attacks. The fact that they were more frequent in the 90s doesn't make them any less scary to me. A shooter on the east coast who killed the front desk staff at 2 different Planned Parenthood clinics. The fore-mentioned Eric Rudolph, who bombed clinics in the name of his religion. The shooters who killed abortion doctors, the last one being Dr. George Tiller in Kansas--at his own church, no less. I think the intention in all of these acts was to terrorize and most if not all of these people claimed religious motivations. It's pretty freaking scary that even a receptionist runs the risk of being killed by someone who thinks he's acting for the good of humanity. The people in ISIS seem to feel pretty justified too.

Maybe all this is because I'm a woman. But I also consider rape to be a terroristic act. It's certainly used that way during wartime.

I can recommend an excellent book on these kinds of killers--Terror in the Name of God: Why Religious Militants Kill by Jessica Stern. She interviewed Muslim, Christian, and Jewish militants. Very insightful book.

And that was the shooting that killed him, not the first time he was actually shot. The suspects were also suspected in several less high profile cases.
it's a regular war tactic in several parts of Africa like the DRC and the Sudan. I think you feel that way because you're educated in the matter.

HughFreakingDillon

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

dudeman said:

Is that necessary?

some would argue so.

also, I just think it's an interesting discussion that Americans seem to be fearful of calling domestics terrorists; my guess is because they can't wrap their head around a "christian" being classified the same as a brown guy from the mid east with a bomb strapped to his body.

I don't think race/religion has anything to do with it at all. Like others have said above, I think it comes down to the scale of the operation and the frequency. I can't remember the last abortion clinic murder (was it somewhere in Kansas?), but could probably count off ten different attacks by ISIS off the top of my head in 2015. You can call it terrorism or whatever, but what I think people in this thread are looking for is the outrage for the PP attack rather than calling it "terrorism". And I think the outrage isn't as public or prevalent in part that the frequency isn't there. They see this more as an isolated attack.

And if you want to say religion is a factor, then again I point to the frequency and that is much rarer in today's world to see a person kill because of Christianity versus Islam. I don't really ever hear of the mass shooting killers in the US screaming "This is for Jesus" before they attack. They are just mentally unstable or insanely mad at their spouse or ex-spouse. I also don't think religion has anything to do with the US activity in the Middle East. It is about oil and economic stability and safety.

frequency is moot. it doesn't just become terrorism because it happens more often than before. either it's motivated by a factor bigger than the victims themselves or it isn't. to me that is pretty much all you need for categorizing it as such.

and no, they aren't killing in Jesus' name literally, but ideologically, yes, some do. just remember as well, the american media might not necessarily report on such things if they did happen.

not all mass shootings/killings happen as a result of someone being stressed out over family/job/etc. but if they are, no, then it's not terrorism. but if it's bigger than that, it is.

HughFreakingDillon

bootlegger10 said:

You can call it terrorism or whatever, but what I think people in this thread are looking for is the outrage for the PP attack rather than calling it "terrorism".

well the OP is all about calling it terrorism.

josevolution

I see it as terrorism , they wanna instill fear ....

Jason P

They should treat it as terrorism. All his known associates should be interrogated and by watched by heavy surveillance. Any church he is associated with should have it's leaders questioned and flagged in our national database.

We need to learn if this guy a crazy offshoot or if he is the sign of a virus in its infancy stage.

polaris_x

it's much easier to just focus on muslims ... I wonder what the US economy would be like without war or black friday sales ...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

polaris_x said:

it's much easier to just focus on muslims ... I wonder what the US economy would be like without war or black friday sales ...

I'm not sure about this.

I think a crafty media spin could get people setting their hair on fire for backwater, one-toothed, paper shack dwelling hillbillies pretty easily.

Think of stock prices for outdoor clothing and equipment- you can't go gettin' hillbillies with a Volkswagen Jetta and your Dockers.

Jason P

polaris_x said:

it's much easier to just focus on muslims ... I wonder what the US economy would be like without war or black friday sales ...

Take away the black friday sales and we would be Russia.

polaris_x

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I'm not sure about this.

I think a crafty media spin could get people setting their hair on fire for backwater, one-toothed, paper shack dwelling hillbillies pretty easily.

Think of stock prices for outdoor clothing and equipment- you can't go gettin' hillbillies with a Volkswagen Jetta and your Dockers.

i'm pretty sure hipsters are next on the list

polaris_x

Jason P said:

Take away the black friday sales and we would be Russia.

if trump wins ... that's sadly spot on ...

Jason P

polaris_x said:

Jason P said:

Take away the black friday sales and we would be Russia.

if trump wins ... that's sadly spot on ...

He would be assassinated if he was truly a contender. The machine doesn't like outsiders.

How is Babcock doing for ya? Do you think he regrets leaving Motown to go live in a money bin up north yet?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

polaris_x said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I'm not sure about this.

I think a crafty media spin could get people setting their hair on fire for backwater, one-toothed, paper shack dwelling hillbillies pretty easily.

Think of stock prices for outdoor clothing and equipment- you can't go gettin' hillbillies with a Volkswagen Jetta and your Dockers.

i'm pretty sure hipsters are next on the list

Oh geezuz.

Somebody warn RG lol!

polaris_x

Jason P said:

He would be assassinated if he was truly a contender. The machine doesn't like outsiders.

How is Babcock doing for ya? Do you think he regrets leaving Motown to go live in a money bin up north yet?

trump is part of the machine ...

babcock is killing us here ... winning way too many games ... bullshit rebuild ...haha ... i think he loves it up here ... i rode by him the other day and it looked like life was good ...

InHiding80

He who fights monsters becomes monsters. That sums up the tea party era of the GOP the past handful of years.

ldent42

http://gothamist.com/2015/12/03/worst_tabloid_still_worst.php

PJ_Soul

^^ That is atrocious. God the New York Post is just the worst.

ldent42

PJ_Soul said:

^^ That is atrocious. God the New York Post is just the worst.

they continue to amaze me. I actually bought one with the cover that says "welcome to NY, now die!" cuz it was too goddamn hilariously awful. (they were going to try some terrorists here)

HughFreakingDillon

the one with the guy about to be smushed by the train took the cake for me. how that rag is still around just shows the high propensity of disgusting people that walk among us.

ldent42

HughFreakingDillon said:

the one with the guy about to be smushed by the train took the cake for me. how that rag is still around just shows the high propensity of disgusting people that walk among us.

oh god i think I had repressed that memory.

tempo_n_groove

HughFreakingDillon said:

the one with the guy about to be smushed by the train took the cake for me. how that rag is still around just shows the high propensity of disgusting people that walk among us.

It's made for an 8th grade reading level.