Bernie Sanders for President

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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Free said:

    She could do what Obama did with her, and give him a good position in her cabinet, but I doubt that will happen either. Obama is a much kinder competitor.

    I don't think it would have anything to do with kindness and everything to do with politics.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited May 2016
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    dignin said:

    Free said:

    She could do what Obama did with her, and give him a good position in her cabinet, but I doubt that will happen either. Obama is a much kinder competitor.

    I don't think it would have anything to do with kindness and everything to do with politics.
    Well, we'll see if she offers Bernie anything. Bets are, no.
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    The Chair Thrown 'Round the World

    A Las Vegas reporter's second-hand claim Bernie Sanders supporters threw chairs at a Nevada convention was widely reproduced by other news outlets.

    http://www.snopes.com/did-sanders-supporters-throw-chairs-at-nevada-democratic-convention/

  • Indifference
    Indifference Posts: 2,761
    Even the daily kos is after the Bern - wow this a mess now!

    http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/20/1528657/-The-problem-isn-t-Bernie-Sanders-supporters-It-s-Bernie-Sanders-himself

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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,315
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    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • EarlWelsh
    EarlWelsh Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,127
    Indifference said:

    Even the daily kos is after the Bern - wow this a mess now!

    http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/20/1528657/-The-problem-isn-t-Bernie-Sanders-supporters-It-s-Bernie-Sanders-himself

    Yeah, they've get after him quite a bit. Fuck that site.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,884
    Indifference said:

    Even the daily kos is after the Bern - wow this a mess now!

    http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/20/1528657/-The-problem-isn-t-Bernie-Sanders-supporters-It-s-Bernie-Sanders-himself

    I'm sorry Markos (kos) is nothing but a neo-con, corporate, conservative Hillary shill. He's never voted Democrat in his life. He was a Goldwater Girl in fact (the corp. media won't report this because they're in the bag). Pathetic.

    Hey, maybe I should write for Kos. He's saying what I spent all day saying...

    The problem is Bernie Sanders himself, who as a leader refuses to forcefully and unambiguously reject that violence, instead rationalizing and explaining it away with a mix of grievances and outright conspiracy theory. The same guy who once said, “Mr. Trump should take responsibility for addressing his supporters’ violent actions,” now can’t be bothered to do the same when it’s a few rotten apples in his crowd acting insane.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Indifference said:

    Even the daily kos is after the Bern - wow this a mess now!

    http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/20/1528657/-The-problem-isn-t-Bernie-Sanders-supporters-It-s-Bernie-Sanders-himself

    Haha, that is a mess. There were so many good lines to quote in that article it was hard to choose, but this sums it up pretty well:
    And why would he correct something he so clearly believes? He’s been talking “revolution” for so long that it’s clear he actually believes in it … in the literal sense of the word. He didn’t forcefully condemn the violence in Nevada because revolutions are violent. He doesn’t care about the will of the Democratic electorate because revolutions aren’t democratic elections.

    At this point, his entire message is “Nice party you got there, sure would be a shame if something happened to it!” So hey superdelegates, toss aside the will of the electorate because otherwise he’ll burn the place down. Viva la revolución! So screw your math and your numbers!

    AUDIE CORNISH: But if he has to win 68 percent of all the delegates going forward, in all the races, and he falls short of that — you know, do you have an obligation to be honest about what his path is?

    JEFF WEAVER: Well, no, but see, but that’s a media narrative from people who think that politics is just standing at a board, doing mathematics. But it’s much more than that
    (Insert stupefied silence, eyes wide in disbelief, a couple of blinks ...)

    In actuality, the primary system has been rigged in Sanders’ favor—giving him far more delegates than his share of the popular vote would suggest—so perhaps that might explain their confusion about math. Heck, his entire early boost came from two of the most unrepresentative states in the country, in a party that is the most diverse.

    And when even those advantages aren’t enough, they outright lie about their chances. Sanders’ campaign manager literally says he doesn’t have to be honest to his supporters. “Do you have an obligation to be honest about what his path is?” Answer: “Well, no.”

    So here you have this amazing group of passionate activists, having fought for Bernie for so long, suddenly being lumped in with violent dead-enders and math ignoramuses. It’s not Bernie Sanders’ name being besmirched, it’s that of so many good people I know who are now forced to apologize for their candidate (or worse, try to rationalize it).
    Good insight from Kos, who is not exactly a Tea Party conservative type.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,884
    How many examples of poor leadership do we need in one campaign season? Let's all remember the immature things that have happened:

    1. His supporters booing Hillary's name at every rally, with him failing to stop it. Remember even McCain criticized his supporters when they disparaged Obama's character.
    2. Throwing dollars at her motorcade
    3. Marginalized/insulted the southern states as 'just as important as Guam'... remember that Tim Robbins?
    4. Bernie saying Hillary wasn't qualified then walking it back, but with the excuse "she did it first" (which she didn't)
    5. Criticizing the super delegates but then embracing them when realizing that was his only path
    6. Just about every contest they lose is 'rigged'. Everyone that doesn't support is a corporate whore
    7. His surrogate that kicked off his NYC rally called Hillary a Corporate Democratic Whore
    8. Publishing of personal information of super delegates, calling the website a "hit list"
    9. Now the Nevada threats

    This is lack of leadership pure and simple. The supporters take their lead from Bernie on what he says and what he doesn't condemn. It may have been in Kos's editorial or I may have read it somewhere else. Bernie's ideas may have strong merit, but he is NOT the person to lead them.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited May 2016
    The bastard! And the violence caused by his supporters (all of which NEVER happened!) Let's keep hating regardless of the facts!

    How much do you get paid as a Hillary bot Russell?
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,841
    Free said:

    The bastard! And the violence caused by his supporters (all of which NEVER happened! Let's keep hating!

    How much do you get paid as a Hillary bot Russell?

    I see in addition to Bernie/trump building campaigns from hate, that their supporters both follow the same path when confronted with facts.

    1) Deny
    2) Deflect
    3) Call people names

    hippiemom = goodness
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,884
    Free said:

    The bastard! And the violence caused by his supporters (all of which NEVER happened!) Let's keep hating regardless of the facts!

    How much do you get paid as a Hillary bot Russell?

    I really wish those 9 things didn't happen, but alas they did.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,884
    Free said:

    The bastard! And the violence caused by his supporters (all of which NEVER happened!) Let's keep hating regardless of the facts!

    How much do you get paid as a Hillary bot Russell?

    I'm still waiting for your research to come back on a period when the United States had a more fully functioning, inclusive democracy. Let me know when you are able to back up your statements.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    cincybearcat said:

    Free said:

    The bastard! And the violence caused by his supporters (all of which NEVER happened! Let's keep hating!

    How much do you get paid as a Hillary bot Russell?

    I see in addition to Bernie/trump building campaigns from hate, that their supporters both follow the same path when confronted with facts.

    1) Deny
    2) Deflect
    3) Call people names

    Yet the facts fall in Sanders favor.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited May 2016
    mrussel1 said:

    Free said:

    The bastard! And the violence caused by his supporters (all of which NEVER happened!) Let's keep hating regardless of the facts!

    How much do you get paid as a Hillary bot Russell?

    I really wish those 9 things didn't happen, but alas they did.
    How much do you get paid?
    Where are ALL of your sources??

    If you really wanted to know the answer to your question you would look it up.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,884
    Free said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Free said:

    The bastard! And the violence caused by his supporters (all of which NEVER happened!) Let's keep hating regardless of the facts!

    How much do you get paid as a Hillary bot Russell?

    I really wish those 9 things didn't happen, but alas they did.
    How much do you get paid?
    Where are ALL of your sources??
    I get paid a lot, I'm quite comfortable, thanks for asking. But I work in private sector finance and have earned my way up. These boards are nice for when I'm sitting in my office, bored and listening to people drone on about 5 year NPVs, discount rates, six sigma life cycles, blah blah. Thanks for asking.

    You believe not one of those things took place? Are you that blissfully unaware?
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,967
    The topic is:
    Bernie Sanders for President
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Kat said:

    The topic is:
    Bernie Sanders for President

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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,841
    edited May 2016
    Kat said:

    The topic is:
    Bernie Sanders for President

    Fine then.

    Bernie sanders would be a disaster as president of just about anything, let alone the US.

    And talking about his idiot supporters is right on topic.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    mrussel1 said:

    Free said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Free said:

    The bastard! And the violence caused by his supporters (all of which NEVER happened!) Let's keep hating regardless of the facts!

    How much do you get paid as a Hillary bot Russell?

    I really wish those 9 things didn't happen, but alas they did.
    How much do you get paid?
    Where are ALL of your sources??
    I get paid a lot, I'm quite comfortable, thanks for asking. But I work in private sector finance and have earned my way up. These boards are nice for when I'm sitting in my office, bored and listening to people drone on about 5 year NPVs, discount rates, six sigma life cycles, blah blah. Thanks for asking.

    You believe not one of those things took place? Are you that blissfully unaware?
    Waiting on those sources, The point of intelligent debate is backing up what you say with credible sources. Since you're bored at work you should have plenty of time to look them up.
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