Paris Attacks

rr165892

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Interesting.... I don't at all get the impression that anyone is ever excusing the actions of ISIS. Never.

When a post intent on criticizing ISIS is quickly and habitually countered with 2-3 posts explaining why the US ultimately bears the responsibility for ISIS... this presents, at a minimum and without question, the optics of a justification.

Fucking A 30. You are a beacon of common sense,always.

mcgruff10

How many of the attackers are still on the run? I read a really interesting article today how these guys get their weapons through the black market. Scary stuff.

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

How many of the attackers are still on the run? I read a really interesting article today how these guys get their weapons through the black market. Scary stuff.

Well the illicit arms trade trade is the 3rd biggest illicit market in the world, and is largely fueled by the biggest illicit market in the world: drugs.

mickeyrat

rr165892 said:

Mickey,are you fucking kidding me.A drone pilot is not a 7 year old beheading someone.And the human excrement they target are deserving.
Pretty typical response though for some on here.I should be used to it by now.You guys can't critique the terrorists without coming back with a jab at the Americans.Its almost like you got relative over there or something.Makes me wonder.

rr165892 said:

Mickey,are you fucking kidding me.A drone pilot is not a 7 year old beheading someone.And the human excrement they target are deserving.
Pretty typical response though for some on here.I should be used to it by now.You guys can't critique the terrorists without coming back with a jab at the Americans.Its almost like you got relative over there or something.Makes me wonder.

Having served myself. , my brother my neice. My father. Defending the constitution of the united states. The chief right being critical of my government. Its not only a right but a civic duty.

You are goddman right I will shout our role in creating this mess. It doesnt mean I excuse their behavior. It means I start with us and our accountability.

Think as you wish. It is your right.

rr165892

mickeyrat said:

rr165892 said:

Mickey,are you fucking kidding me.A drone pilot is not a 7 year old beheading someone.And the human excrement they target are deserving.
Pretty typical response though for some on here.I should be used to it by now.You guys can't critique the terrorists without coming back with a jab at the Americans.Its almost like you got relative over there or something.Makes me wonder.

rr165892 said:

Mickey,are you fucking kidding me.A drone pilot is not a 7 year old beheading someone.And the human excrement they target are deserving.
Pretty typical response though for some on here.I should be used to it by now.You guys can't critique the terrorists without coming back with a jab at the Americans.Its almost like you got relative over there or something.Makes me wonder.

Having served myself. , my brother my neice. My father. Defending the constitution of the united states. The chief right being critical of my government. Its not only a right but a civic duty.

You are goddman right I will shout our role in creating this mess. It doesnt mean I excuse their behavior. It means I start with us and our accountability.

Think as you wish. It is your right.

Good.And many thanks for your service.And yes it is our duty to question.But we don't have to use it as a crutch after every Islamic Fundamentalist comment.That is my point.

PJ_Soul

rr165892 said:

mickeyrat said:

rr165892 said:

Mickey,are you fucking kidding me.A drone pilot is not a 7 year old beheading someone.And the human excrement they target are deserving.
Pretty typical response though for some on here.I should be used to it by now.You guys can't critique the terrorists without coming back with a jab at the Americans.Its almost like you got relative over there or something.Makes me wonder.

rr165892 said:

Mickey,are you fucking kidding me.A drone pilot is not a 7 year old beheading someone.And the human excrement they target are deserving.
Pretty typical response though for some on here.I should be used to it by now.You guys can't critique the terrorists without coming back with a jab at the Americans.Its almost like you got relative over there or something.Makes me wonder.

Having served myself. , my brother my neice. My father. Defending the constitution of the united states. The chief right being critical of my government. Its not only a right but a civic duty.

You are goddman right I will shout our role in creating this mess. It doesnt mean I excuse their behavior. It means I start with us and our accountability.

Think as you wish. It is your right.

Good.And many thanks for your service.And yes it is our duty to question.But we don't have to use it as a crutch after every Islamic Fundamentalist comment.That is my point.

I'm not sure I'm clear on what your concern is now. What do you mean by crutch?
I think that the us vs them mindset is a problem that deserves constant attention, since the the "them" is too often Muslims rather than terrorists. I think the reminders of the west's accountability might work as a bit of a counterbalance that is actually necessary to preventing hysteria (just a theory).

mcgruff10

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

How many of the attackers are still on the run? I read a really interesting article today how these guys get their weapons through the black market. Scary stuff.

Well the illicit arms trade trade is the 3rd biggest illicit market in the world, and is largely fueled by the biggest illicit market in the world: drugs.

If drugs are #1 what is number 2? Human trafficking?

ldent42

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

How many of the attackers are still on the run? I read a really interesting article today how these guys get their weapons through the black market. Scary stuff.

Well the illicit arms trade trade is the 3rd biggest illicit market in the world, and is largely fueled by the biggest illicit market in the world: drugs.

If drugs are #1 what is number 2? Human trafficking?

I think so. Human trafficking/prostitution.

PJfanwillneverleave1

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

rr165892 said:

Not the same.We don't indoctrinate them to kill in school and at such a young age.They live by medevil type rules,with barbaric shit.For all our faults We are NOTHING like that.

no, we have a group of guys in nevada who go home every night after killing folks with drones.

we also have a military that garners over 50% of our nations budget and of that , hundreds of millions is spent on advertizing.

Same barbaric shit, just different clothes.

I recently learned through John Oliver that the military is actually arranging and paying for many of those live sports presentations where the stadium or arena honours military service. You know when they haul out flags, have soldiers sing national anthems or drop the puck, etc etc? The lottle ceremonies before games and at halftimes that pluck at the heart strings and get the nationalistic American hearts warm? Planned and paid for by Uncle Sam! Not that's some clever propaganda!
Sick. I believe that the US military and government are in full swing brainwashing of the population mode.

I would love to drop bombs from drones on isis for my day job.
It would be fantastic.
I am happy to see the US recognize their military at public events - shows that they are equals.
I don't believe for a second PJsoul that you would say these things to a service member.

I guess you don't know me very well, lol. Sure I would (and have!). Why wouldn't I?? I don't consider what I said a personal insult towards service members. It's an insult towards the military complex.

This makes no sense.
So the complex is ok to insult just not the people in it?
Weak

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

How many of the attackers are still on the run? I read a really interesting article today how these guys get their weapons through the black market. Scary stuff.

Well the illicit arms trade trade is the 3rd biggest illicit market in the world, and is largely fueled by the biggest illicit market in the world: drugs.

If drugs are #1 what is number 2? Human trafficking?

Actually, it's counterfeiting (hi everyone who owns illegal bootlegs!). Human trafficking is high in the list though. Number 4 I think?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Human trafficking.

Think about that. This shouldn't even be a term let alone an epidemic.

Nothing is safe: if it isn't a black rhino... it's a f**king 8 year old girl.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Human trafficking.

Think about that. This shouldn't even be a term let alone an epidemic.

Nothing is safe: if it isn't a black rhino... it's a f**king 8 year old girl.

?
Not following....

PJ_Soul

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

rr165892 said:

Not the same.We don't indoctrinate them to kill in school and at such a young age.They live by medevil type rules,with barbaric shit.For all our faults We are NOTHING like that.

no, we have a group of guys in nevada who go home every night after killing folks with drones.

we also have a military that garners over 50% of our nations budget and of that , hundreds of millions is spent on advertizing.

Same barbaric shit, just different clothes.

I recently learned through John Oliver that the military is actually arranging and paying for many of those live sports presentations where the stadium or arena honours military service. You know when they haul out flags, have soldiers sing national anthems or drop the puck, etc etc? The lottle ceremonies before games and at halftimes that pluck at the heart strings and get the nationalistic American hearts warm? Planned and paid for by Uncle Sam! Not that's some clever propaganda!
Sick. I believe that the US military and government are in full swing brainwashing of the population mode.

I would love to drop bombs from drones on isis for my day job.
It would be fantastic.
I am happy to see the US recognize their military at public events - shows that they are equals.
I don't believe for a second PJsoul that you would say these things to a service member.

I guess you don't know me very well, lol. Sure I would (and have!). Why wouldn't I?? I don't consider what I said a personal insult towards service members. It's an insult towards the military complex.

This makes no sense.
So the complex is ok to insult just not the people in it?
Weak

No, the complex is run by people. But troops aren't making those decisions. A serviceman/woman has nothing to do with the military paying for propaganda at sporting events. However, since you brought it up, service members aren't infallible and they aren't voiceless weaklings without a voice of their own either. I don't think they require us to handle them like they are delicate flowers, and I don't think they need you defending them. This idea that no one can ever criticize the military just because members of the military go to war is not just stupid. It's dangerous, too.

mickeyrat

ldent42 said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

How many of the attackers are still on the run? I read a really interesting article today how these guys get their weapons through the black market. Scary stuff.

Well the illicit arms trade trade is the 3rd biggest illicit market in the world, and is largely fueled by the biggest illicit market in the world: drugs.

If drugs are #1 what is number 2? Human trafficking?

I think so. Human trafficking/prostitution.

Weapons.

PJfanwillneverleave1

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

rr165892 said:

Not the same.We don't indoctrinate them to kill in school and at such a young age.They live by medevil type rules,with barbaric shit.For all our faults We are NOTHING like that.

no, we have a group of guys in nevada who go home every night after killing folks with drones.

we also have a military that garners over 50% of our nations budget and of that , hundreds of millions is spent on advertizing.

Same barbaric shit, just different clothes.

I recently learned through John Oliver that the military is actually arranging and paying for many of those live sports presentations where the stadium or arena honours military service. You know when they haul out flags, have soldiers sing national anthems or drop the puck, etc etc? The lottle ceremonies before games and at halftimes that pluck at the heart strings and get the nationalistic American hearts warm? Planned and paid for by Uncle Sam! Not that's some clever propaganda!
Sick. I believe that the US military and government are in full swing brainwashing of the population mode.

I would love to drop bombs from drones on isis for my day job.
It would be fantastic.
I am happy to see the US recognize their military at public events - shows that they are equals.
I don't believe for a second PJsoul that you would say these things to a service member.

I guess you don't know me very well, lol. Sure I would (and have!). Why wouldn't I?? I don't consider what I said a personal insult towards service members. It's an insult towards the military complex.

This makes no sense.
So the complex is ok to insult just not the people in it?
Weak

No, the complex is run by people. But troops aren't making those decisions. A serviceman/woman has nothing to do with the military paying for propaganda at sporting events. However, since you brought it up, service members aren't infallible and they aren't voiceless weaklings without a voice of their own either. I don't think they require us to handle them like they are delicate flowers, and I don't think they need you defending them. This idea that no one can ever criticize the military just because members of the military go to war is not just stupid. It's dangerous, too.

I realize that our sidetrack is off topic perhaps a different thread should be started.
On that note I will respond to your post
I am not defending them - they definitely do not need defending.
Criticize the elected govt not the military.
Military intervention is directed by the wishes of the people who are not in uniform.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Human trafficking.

Think about that. This shouldn't even be a term let alone an epidemic.

Nothing is safe: if it isn't a black rhino... it's a f**king 8 year old girl.

?
Not following....

Humans are ruthless. We don't discern- we get everything chasing dollars.

PJ_Soul

mickeyrat said:

ldent42 said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

How many of the attackers are still on the run? I read a really interesting article today how these guys get their weapons through the black market. Scary stuff.

Well the illicit arms trade trade is the 3rd biggest illicit market in the world, and is largely fueled by the biggest illicit market in the world: drugs.

If drugs are #1 what is number 2? Human trafficking?

I think so. Human trafficking/prostitution.

Weapons.

No, counterfeit.

callen

rr165892 said:

mickeyrat said:

rr165892 said:

Mickey,are you fucking kidding me.A drone pilot is not a 7 year old beheading someone.And the human excrement they target are deserving.
Pretty typical response though for some on here.I should be used to it by now.You guys can't critique the terrorists without coming back with a jab at the Americans.Its almost like you got relative over there or something.Makes me wonder.

rr165892 said:

Mickey,are you fucking kidding me.A drone pilot is not a 7 year old beheading someone.And the human excrement they target are deserving.
Pretty typical response though for some on here.I should be used to it by now.You guys can't critique the terrorists without coming back with a jab at the Americans.Its almost like you got relative over there or something.Makes me wonder.

Having served myself. , my brother my neice. My father. Defending the constitution of the united states. The chief right being critical of my government. Its not only a right but a civic duty.

You are goddman right I will shout our role in creating this mess. It doesnt mean I excuse their behavior. It means I start with us and our accountability.

Think as you wish. It is your right.

Good.And many thanks for your service.And yes it is our duty to question.But we don't have to use it as a crutch after every Islamic Fundamentalist comment.That is my point.

Your post talked of recruitment to kill. We do same exact shit. We indoctrinate patriotism from early age. So that when we grow up we are willing to fight to protect our herd.

It's how leaders convince an individual to sacrifice their life. Powerful shit. Leaders are neutered without their sacrificial pawns.

So see that flyby? Propaganda in its simplest form. Same as the ISIS guy saying how bad we are.

PJ_Soul

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

rr165892 said:

Not the same.We don't indoctrinate them to kill in school and at such a young age.They live by medevil type rules,with barbaric shit.For all our faults We are NOTHING like that.

no, we have a group of guys in nevada who go home every night after killing folks with drones.

we also have a military that garners over 50% of our nations budget and of that , hundreds of millions is spent on advertizing.

Same barbaric shit, just different clothes.

I recently learned through John Oliver that the military is actually arranging and paying for many of those live sports presentations where the stadium or arena honours military service. You know when they haul out flags, have soldiers sing national anthems or drop the puck, etc etc? The lottle ceremonies before games and at halftimes that pluck at the heart strings and get the nationalistic American hearts warm? Planned and paid for by Uncle Sam! Not that's some clever propaganda!
Sick. I believe that the US military and government are in full swing brainwashing of the population mode.

I would love to drop bombs from drones on isis for my day job.
It would be fantastic.
I am happy to see the US recognize their military at public events - shows that they are equals.
I don't believe for a second PJsoul that you would say these things to a service member.

I guess you don't know me very well, lol. Sure I would (and have!). Why wouldn't I?? I don't consider what I said a personal insult towards service members. It's an insult towards the military complex.

This makes no sense.
So the complex is ok to insult just not the people in it?
Weak

No, the complex is run by people. But troops aren't making those decisions. A serviceman/woman has nothing to do with the military paying for propaganda at sporting events. However, since you brought it up, service members aren't infallible and they aren't voiceless weaklings without a voice of their own either. I don't think they require us to handle them like they are delicate flowers, and I don't think they need you defending them. This idea that no one can ever criticize the military just because members of the military go to war is not just stupid. It's dangerous, too.

I realize that our sidetrack is off topic perhaps a different thread should be started.
On that note I will respond to your post
I am not defending them - they definitely do not need defending.
Criticize the elected govt not the military.
Military intervention is directed by the wishes of the people who are not in uniform.

I consider them one in the same. The military is under the command of the government. Criticize them both.

josevolution

Eagles of Death Metal to play song with U2 either tonight or tomorrow this should be broadcast to all nations just to show these radical killers that Fucking Rock ain't going nowhere it's here for ever a big fuck you to all radicals of any religion or race ....