Saying 'no' about an apology doesn't bother me, but I think some of those 'no's' are motivated by minimization of the long term, intergenerational effects of slavery. I can draw a connecting line of wealth, opportunity, land ownership, and educational access from my ancestors to me. I directly have benefited from this. Many blacks can't say the same.
Many Slave owners were black in the south. History has all but erased this fact. How come no one says anything about that on the news?
Tell us. How many?
This should be interesting.
she's right Brian, many slaves actually were given freedom and slaves along with plantations , also not all slaves were just kidnapped during the raids, many were sold or traded by other blacks and then put on the ships headed for north America. history is deep we can't just pick and choose to fit our own idea of the past.
Godfather.
Did you read the article I posted? I know Brian did. And why are you suggesting that anyone is picking and choosing history? No one said anything of the sort.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Many Slave owners were black in the south. History has all but erased this fact. How come no one says anything about that on the news?
Tell us. How many?
This should be interesting.
she's right Brian, many slaves actually were given freedom and slaves along with plantations , also not all slaves were just kidnapped during the raids, many were sold or traded by other blacks and then put on the ships headed for north America. history is deep we can't just pick and choose to fit our own idea of the past.
Godfather.
Did you read the article I posted? I know Brian did. And why are you suggesting that anyone is picking and choosing history? No one said anything of the sort.
my comment is pretty simple "history is deep we can't just pick and choose to fit our own idea of the past." meaning that some...many people choose not to bring up black slave owners/traders in history for what ever reason's they have in mind, JAG brings it up and people attack her statement even though it's a very real and true part of history.
Many Slave owners were black in the south. History has all but erased this fact. How come no one says anything about that on the news?
Tell us. How many?
This should be interesting.
she's right Brian, many slaves actually were given freedom and slaves along with plantations , also not all slaves were just kidnapped during the raids, many were sold or traded by other blacks and then put on the ships headed for north America. history is deep we can't just pick and choose to fit our own idea of the past.
Godfather.
Did you read the article I posted? I know Brian did. And why are you suggesting that anyone is picking and choosing history? No one said anything of the sort.
my comment is pretty simple "history is deep we can't just pick and choose to fit our own idea of the past." meaning that some...many people choose not to bring up black slave owners/traders in history for what ever reason's they have in mind, JAG brings it up and people attack her statement even though it's a very real and true part of history.
Godfather.
Yes it is a very real part of history. But the original post was NOT about black vs white. It was about the ancestors of slave owners apologizing to the descendants of slaves. Not just white ancestors but all ancestors.
Many Slave owners were black in the south. History has all but erased this fact. How come no one says anything about that on the news?
Tell us. How many?
This should be interesting.
she's right Brian, many slaves actually were given freedom and slaves along with plantations , also not all slaves were just kidnapped during the raids, many were sold or traded by other blacks and then put on the ships headed for north America. history is deep we can't just pick and choose to fit our own idea of the past.
Godfather.
Did you read the article I posted? I know Brian did. And why are you suggesting that anyone is picking and choosing history? No one said anything of the sort.
my comment is pretty simple "history is deep we can't just pick and choose to fit our own idea of the past." meaning that some...many people choose not to bring up black slave owners/traders in history for what ever reason's they have in mind, JAG brings it up and people attack her statement even though it's a very real and true part of history.
Godfather.
Yes it is a very real part of history. But the original post was NOT about black vs white. It was about the ancestors of slave owners apologizing to the descendants of slaves. Not just white ancestors but all ancestors.
Namaste
apologizing with money ? you know that's what boils down to right ? if we are going to discuss slave history and ask people of today to apologize for generations past then the door is open to discuss all aspects of slavery not just what was asked, because an apology was requested alone opens the door to "why" and "who"
Many Slave owners were black in the south. History has all but erased this fact. How come no one says anything about that on the news?
Tell us. How many?
This should be interesting.
she's right Brian, many slaves actually were given freedom and slaves along with plantations , also not all slaves were just kidnapped during the raids, many were sold or traded by other blacks and then put on the ships headed for north America. history is deep we can't just pick and choose to fit our own idea of the past.
Godfather.
Did you read the article I posted? I know Brian did. And why are you suggesting that anyone is picking and choosing history? No one said anything of the sort.
my comment is pretty simple "history is deep we can't just pick and choose to fit our own idea of the past." meaning that some...many people choose not to bring up black slave owners/traders in history for what ever reason's they have in mind, JAG brings it up and people attack her statement even though it's a very real and true part of history.
Godfather.
I don't think anyone is picking and choosing anything (as I already said). No one is trying to avoid the subject. I posted that extensive article so that everyone could read the true part it has in history. It's just that bringing it up here seems completely irrelevant to the conversation, so JAG's motive behind mentioning it the way she did seemed suspect, as though she was trying to defend white slave owners by pointing out that there were some black ones too ("Many" of them, no less).
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Many Slave owners were black in the south. History has all but erased this fact. How come no one says anything about that on the news?
Tell us. How many?
This should be interesting.
she's right Brian, many slaves actually were given freedom and slaves along with plantations , also not all slaves were just kidnapped during the raids, many were sold or traded by other blacks and then put on the ships headed for north America. history is deep we can't just pick and choose to fit our own idea of the past.
Godfather.
Did you read the article I posted? I know Brian did. And why are you suggesting that anyone is picking and choosing history? No one said anything of the sort.
my comment is pretty simple "history is deep we can't just pick and choose to fit our own idea of the past." meaning that some...many people choose not to bring up black slave owners/traders in history for what ever reason's they have in mind, JAG brings it up and people attack her statement even though it's a very real and true part of history.
Godfather.
I don't think anyone is picking and choosing anything (as I already said). No one is trying to avoid the subject. I posted that extensive article so that everyone could read the true part it has in history. It's just that bringing it up here seems completely irrelevant to the conversation, so JAG's motive behind mentioning it the way she did seemed suspect, as though she was trying to defend white slave owners by pointing out that there were some black ones too ("Many" of them, no less).
Nope People like JAG come on a site like this and get enjoyment out of posting opinions and statements that are the opposite of the overwhelming majority.
Many Slave owners were black in the south. History has all but erased this fact. How come no one says anything about that on the news?
Tell us. How many?
This should be interesting.
she's right Brian, many slaves actually were given freedom and slaves along with plantations , also not all slaves were just kidnapped during the raids, many were sold or traded by other blacks and then put on the ships headed for north America. history is deep we can't just pick and choose to fit our own idea of the past.
Godfather.
Did you read the article I posted? I know Brian did. And why are you suggesting that anyone is picking and choosing history? No one said anything of the sort.
my comment is pretty simple "history is deep we can't just pick and choose to fit our own idea of the past." meaning that some...many people choose not to bring up black slave owners/traders in history for what ever reason's they have in mind, JAG brings it up and people attack her statement even though it's a very real and true part of history.
Godfather.
I don't think anyone is picking and choosing anything (as I already said). No one is trying to avoid the subject. I posted that extensive article so that everyone could read the true part it has in history. It's just that bringing it up here seems completely irrelevant to the conversation, so JAG's motive behind mentioning it the way she did seemed suspect, as though she was trying to defend white slave owners by pointing out that there were some black ones too ("Many" of them, no less).
Nope People like JAG come on a site like this and get enjoyment out of posting opinions and statements that are the opposite of the overwhelming majority.
I believe it is referred to as "trolling".
I agree the label generally applies, but I don't think that she posted an opinion or statement that is the opposite of the majority in this case. It was simply pointless to the conversation.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Many Slave owners were black in the south. History has all but erased this fact. How come no one says anything about that on the news?
Tell us. How many?
This should be interesting.
she's right Brian, many slaves actually were given freedom and slaves along with plantations , also not all slaves were just kidnapped during the raids, many were sold or traded by other blacks and then put on the ships headed for north America. history is deep we can't just pick and choose to fit our own idea of the past.
Godfather.
Did you read the article I posted? I know Brian did. And why are you suggesting that anyone is picking and choosing history? No one said anything of the sort.
my comment is pretty simple "history is deep we can't just pick and choose to fit our own idea of the past." meaning that some...many people choose not to bring up black slave owners/traders in history for what ever reason's they have in mind, JAG brings it up and people attack her statement even though it's a very real and true part of history.
Godfather.
I don't think anyone is picking and choosing anything (as I already said). No one is trying to avoid the subject. I posted that extensive article so that everyone could read the true part it has in history. It's just that bringing it up here seems completely irrelevant to the conversation, so JAG's motive behind mentioning it the way she did seemed suspect, as though she was trying to defend white slave owners by pointing out that there were some black ones too ("Many" of them, no less).
Many Slave owners were black in the south. History has all but erased this fact. How come no one says anything about that on the news?
Tell us. How many?
This should be interesting.
she's right Brian, many slaves actually were given freedom and slaves along with plantations , also not all slaves were just kidnapped during the raids, many were sold or traded by other blacks and then put on the ships headed for north America. history is deep we can't just pick and choose to fit our own idea of the past.
Godfather.
Did you read the article I posted? I know Brian did. And why are you suggesting that anyone is picking and choosing history? No one said anything of the sort.
my comment is pretty simple "history is deep we can't just pick and choose to fit our own idea of the past." meaning that some...many people choose not to bring up black slave owners/traders in history for what ever reason's they have in mind, JAG brings it up and people attack her statement even though it's a very real and true part of history.
Godfather.
I don't think anyone is picking and choosing anything (as I already said). No one is trying to avoid the subject. I posted that extensive article so that everyone could read the true part it has in history. It's just that bringing it up here seems completely irrelevant to the conversation, so JAG's motive behind mentioning it the way she did seemed suspect, as though she was trying to defend white slave owners by pointing out that there were some black ones too ("Many" of them, no less).
Nope People like JAG come on a site like this and get enjoyment out of posting opinions and statements that are the opposite of the overwhelming majority.
I believe it is referred to as "trolling".
I agree the label generally applies, but I don't think that she posted an opinion or statement that is the opposite of the majority in this case. It was simply pointless to the conversation.
JAG and people like her make the pointless comments with the express purpose of getting people riled up.
Many Slave owners were black in the south. History has all but erased this fact. How come no one says anything about that on the news?
Tell us. How many?
This should be interesting.
she's right Brian, many slaves actually were given freedom and slaves along with plantations , also not all slaves were just kidnapped during the raids, many were sold or traded by other blacks and then put on the ships headed for north America. history is deep we can't just pick and choose to fit our own idea of the past.
Godfather.
Did you read the article I posted? I know Brian did. And why are you suggesting that anyone is picking and choosing history? No one said anything of the sort.
my comment is pretty simple "history is deep we can't just pick and choose to fit our own idea of the past." meaning that some...many people choose not to bring up black slave owners/traders in history for what ever reason's they have in mind, JAG brings it up and people attack her statement even though it's a very real and true part of history.
Godfather.
I don't think anyone is picking and choosing anything (as I already said). No one is trying to avoid the subject. I posted that extensive article so that everyone could read the true part it has in history. It's just that bringing it up here seems completely irrelevant to the conversation, so JAG's motive behind mentioning it the way she did seemed suspect, as though she was trying to defend white slave owners by pointing out that there were some black ones too ("Many" of them, no less).
Nope People like JAG come on a site like this and get enjoyment out of posting opinions and statements that are the opposite of the overwhelming majority.
I believe it is referred to as "trolling".
I agree the label generally applies, but I don't think that she posted an opinion or statement that is the opposite of the majority in this case. It was simply pointless to the conversation.
JAG and people like her make the pointless comments with the express purpose of getting people riled up.
I'm not so sure of this.
Maybe I'm naive, but I take everything at face value outside of the comments I know to have different meaning because I know the poster well enough to discern such.
I know you never stated it, but given so many have... I need to say that the term 'troll' is a demeaning term. The comments some people make might not hold much value, but the people who make them do as far as we know (at least to someone).
some folks here just can't help but to use demeaning terms, they're trying to show that they are upset with a poster and not be banned at the same time, most of us are guilty of letting words on a forum anger us...silly us right ?
some folks here just can't help but to use demeaning terms, they're trying to show that they are upset with a poster and not be banned at the same time, most of us are guilty of letting words on a forum anger us...silly us right ?
Many Slave owners were black in the south. History has all but erased this fact. How come no one says anything about that on the news?
do you think using the N word is excusable just because some black people use it too?
how many slaves were white? ZERO. so your question is irrelevant.
FALSE! There were white slaves and indentured servants. There was an "ethnic cleansing" in Ireland that brought Irishman to Barbados to work the cane fields. Read the book "To Hell or Barbados" for a great source of information. There's other information out there too.
Many Slave owners were black in the south. History has all but erased this fact. How come no one says anything about that on the news?
do you think using the N word is excusable just because some black people use it too?
how many slaves were white? ZERO. so your question is irrelevant.
FALSE! There were white slaves and indentured servants. There was an "ethnic cleansing" in Ireland that brought Irishman to Barbados to work the cane fields. Read the book "To Hell or Barbados" for a great source of information. There's other information out there too.
Indeed, Irish political prisoners and their families were sold in the hundreds of thousands by the English in the 17th century, some in areas of the US such as Virginia and New England but many in other countries as well.
(By the way, if anyone wants to see some truly horrific racist sites, go to "Save our Heritage" and "Violence Against Whites", which turned up when I was searching on this issue. There you will learn that god really doesn't want the races to mix, and the Jewish people were in charge of the slave trade).
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my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Many Slave owners were black in the south. History has all but erased this fact. How come no one says anything about that on the news?
do you think using the N word is excusable just because some black people use it too?
how many slaves were white? ZERO. so your question is irrelevant.
FALSE! There were white slaves and indentured servants. There was an "ethnic cleansing" in Ireland that brought Irishman to Barbados to work the cane fields. Read the book "To Hell or Barbados" for a great source of information. There's other information out there too.
Indeed, Irish political prisoners and their families were sold in the hundreds of thousands by the English in the 17th century, some in areas of the US such as Virginia and New England but many in other countries as well.
(By the way, if anyone wants to see some truly horrific racist sites, go to "Save our Heritage" and "Violence Against Whites", which turned up when I was searching on this issue. There you will learn that god really doesn't want the races to mix, and theJewish people were in charge of the slave trade).
Of course the Jews ran they slave trade Afterall they own all the banks and movie studios
Many Slave owners were black in the south. History has all but erased this fact. How come no one says anything about that on the news?
do you think using the N word is excusable just because some black people use it too?
how many slaves were white? ZERO. so your question is irrelevant.
FALSE! There were white slaves and indentured servants. There was an "ethnic cleansing" in Ireland that brought Irishman to Barbados to work the cane fields. Read the book "To Hell or Barbados" for a great source of information. There's other information out there too.
Indeed, Irish political prisoners and their families were sold in the hundreds of thousands by the English in the 17th century, some in areas of the US such as Virginia and New England but many in other countries as well.
(By the way, if anyone wants to see some truly horrific racist sites, go to "Save our Heritage" and "Violence Against Whites", which turned up when I was searching on this issue. There you will learn that god really doesn't want the races to mix, and theJewish people were in charge of the slave trade).
Of course the Jews ran they slave trade Afterall they own all the banks and movie studios
Many Slave owners were black in the south. History has all but erased this fact. How come no one says anything about that on the news?
do you think using the N word is excusable just because some black people use it too?
how many slaves were white? ZERO. so your question is irrelevant.
FALSE! There were white slaves and indentured servants. There was an "ethnic cleansing" in Ireland that brought Irishman to Barbados to work the cane fields. Read the book "To Hell or Barbados" for a great source of information. There's other information out there too.
Many Slave owners were black in the south. History has all but erased this fact. How come no one says anything about that on the news?
do you think using the N word is excusable just because some black people use it too?
how many slaves were white? ZERO. so your question is irrelevant.
FALSE! There were white slaves and indentured servants. There was an "ethnic cleansing" in Ireland that brought Irishman to Barbados to work the cane fields. Read the book "To Hell or Barbados" for a great source of information. There's other information out there too.
I was obviously asking if there were white slaves with black owners.
Many Slave owners were black in the south. History has all but erased this fact. How come no one says anything about that on the news?
do you think using the N word is excusable just because some black people use it too?
how many slaves were white? ZERO. so your question is irrelevant.
FALSE! There were white slaves and indentured servants. There was an "ethnic cleansing" in Ireland that brought Irishman to Barbados to work the cane fields. Read the book "To Hell or Barbados" for a great source of information. There's other information out there too.
I was obviously asking if there were white slaves with black owners.
Many Slave owners were black in the south. History has all but erased this fact. How come no one says anything about that on the news?
do you think using the N word is excusable just because some black people use it too?
how many slaves were white? ZERO. so your question is irrelevant.
FALSE! There were white slaves and indentured servants. There was an "ethnic cleansing" in Ireland that brought Irishman to Barbados to work the cane fields. Read the book "To Hell or Barbados" for a great source of information. There's other information out there too.
I was obviously asking if there were white slaves with black owners.
Oops. My bad. I read that wrong.
Good question.
I didn't get that from the question at all, either, so maybe not that obvious HFD.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
My direct ancestors were not slave owners, but still,.....because I am a white American, I am embarrassed because of slavery.
I understand on the surface this might not make sense because neither I nor my direct relatives personally had anything to do with it. But in the bigger picture of things, as part of a "race", it's just embarrassing to be any part of that.
EDIT: To answer the question, I think an apology is not 'owed", but I sure as hell would want to give one. I would say "Although the actions were not mine and although this apology is not from my ancestors, I do feel the need to express my sorrow and regret". Not one word would be untrue.
I would like to apologize to all Americans past, present and future for the presidency and failed leadership of Barrack Obama, we were promised better.
I would like to apologize to all Americans past, present and future for the presidency and failed leadership of Barrack Obama, we were promised better.
Godfather.
Funny GF.
Course you'll never get to apologizing for Barry after the apology needed for Dubya.
I would like to apologize to all Americans past, present and future for the presidency and failed leadership of Barrack Obama, we were promised better.
Godfather.
Funny GF.
Course you'll never get to apologizing for Barry after the apology needed for Dubya.
Many Slave owners were black in the south. History has all but erased this fact. How come no one says anything about that on the news?
do you think using the N word is excusable just because some black people use it too?
how many slaves were white? ZERO. so your question is irrelevant.
FALSE! There were white slaves and indentured servants. There was an "ethnic cleansing" in Ireland that brought Irishman to Barbados to work the cane fields. Read the book "To Hell or Barbados" for a great source of information. There's other information out there too.
I was obviously asking if there were white slaves with black owners.
Oops. My bad. I read that wrong.
Good question.
I didn't get that from the question at all, either, so maybe not that obvious HFD.
fair enough, but my question was in direct response to talking about the American slave trade, not global. of course there were white slaves all over history.
My direct ancestors were not slave owners, but still,.....because I am a white American, I am embarrassed because of slavery.
I understand on the surface this might not make sense because neither I nor my direct relatives personally had anything to do with it. But in the bigger picture of things, as part of a "race", it's just embarrassing to be any part of that.
EDIT: To answer the question, I think an apology is not 'owed", but I sure as hell would want to give one. I would say "Although the actions were not mine and although this apology is not from my ancestors, I do feel the need to express my sorrow and regret". Not one word would be untrue.
That's a can of worms, no?!?
Egypt, Saudi, Africa, Mexico etc, etc would ALL owe apologies. I know I've left some out...
Does England owe the US an apology?
It almost becomes a crime of humanity type question...
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Godfather.
And why are you suggesting that anyone is picking and choosing history? No one said anything of the sort.
Godfather.
Not just white ancestors but all ancestors.
Namaste
Godfather.
People like JAG come on a site like this and get enjoyment out of posting opinions and statements that are the opposite of the overwhelming majority.
I believe it is referred to as "trolling".
Godfather.
Maybe I'm naive, but I take everything at face value outside of the comments I know to have different meaning because I know the poster well enough to discern such.
I know you never stated it, but given so many have... I need to say that the term 'troll' is a demeaning term. The comments some people make might not hold much value, but the people who make them do as far as we know (at least to someone).
Godfather.
Godfather.
how many slaves were white? ZERO. so your question is irrelevant.
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There were white slaves and indentured servants. There was an "ethnic cleansing" in Ireland that brought Irishman to Barbados to work the cane fields. Read the book "To Hell or Barbados" for a great source of information. There's other information out there too.
(By the way, if anyone wants to see some truly horrific racist sites, go to "Save our Heritage" and "Violence Against Whites", which turned up when I was searching on this issue. There you will learn that god really doesn't want the races to mix, and the Jewish people were in charge of the slave trade).
Afterall they own all the banks and movie studios
H Hello!?!
we all get a little surprised now and then.
Godfather.
I was obviously asking if there were white slaves with black owners.
www.headstonesband.com
Good question.
I understand on the surface this might not make sense because neither I nor my direct relatives personally had anything to do with it.
But in the bigger picture of things, as part of a "race", it's just embarrassing to be any part of that.
EDIT: To answer the question, I think an apology is not 'owed", but I sure as hell would want to give one. I would say "Although the actions were not mine and although this apology is not from my ancestors, I do feel the need to express my sorrow and regret". Not one word would be untrue.
Godfather.
Course you'll never get to apologizing for Barry after the apology needed for Dubya.
Godfather.
sorry if I wasn't clear.
www.headstonesband.com
Egypt, Saudi, Africa, Mexico etc, etc would ALL owe apologies. I know I've left some out...
Does England owe the US an apology?
It almost becomes a crime of humanity type question...