Hillary won more votes for President

HughFreakingDillon

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

tbergs said:

bootlegger10 said:

Dems - Stop treating your candidates like they are the Messiah and start expecting something from them. This booing and cheering crap is so juvenile.

Is someone treating them like a messiah?

Did you see the stream of celebrities showing up for Obama's going away party?

So fn what why do you care who shows up just because no one cares to show up for anything Bafoon will have , its obvious a lot of celebrities like Obama so who's fault is that his or Clinton. !!

They are politicians. No need for parties. Get in there and govern. Then get out. I don't care that Beyoncé or Kelly Clarkson were at Obama's inauguration. I don't care that no celebrities want to show up for Trump. It isn't necessary. If the people have the power then Obama should be hosting parties for the people and not rich celebrities and business people.

Mainly, this Messiah treatment of Obama by celebrities stopped them from speaking up and holding them accountable. I don't think I ever heard Vedder speak up about Obama's drone strike program. Ever.

I also found that inconsistent.

no need for parties? why not? when someone at my work retires/leaves the company, we all get together and have a part or go out for drinks. this is no different. you obviously know that Obama is not at the point right now where he is going to be getting anything significant done, except for the transition to Trump.

I have zero issue with any president of either party holding a celebration before they leave. celebrities or lobbyists, doesn't matter to me. they invite those that have publicly or financially supported them during their tenure. that's normal.

JC29856

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

tbergs said:

bootlegger10 said:

Dems - Stop treating your candidates like they are the Messiah and start expecting something from them. This booing and cheering crap is so juvenile.

Is someone treating them like a messiah?

Did you see the stream of celebrities showing up for Obama's going away party?

So fn what why do you care who shows up just because no one cares to show up for anything Bafoon will have , its obvious a lot of celebrities like Obama so who's fault is that his or Clinton. !!

They are politicians. No need for parties. Get in there and govern. Then get out. I don't care that Beyoncé or Kelly Clarkson were at Obama's inauguration. I don't care that no celebrities want to show up for Trump. It isn't necessary. If the people have the power then Obama should be hosting parties for the people and not rich celebrities and business people.

Mainly, this Messiah treatment of Obama by celebrities stopped them from speaking up and holding them accountable. I don't think I ever heard Vedder speak up about Obama's drone strike program. Ever.

If you criticized Obama especially early in his first term, you risked being labeled or thought of as racist, so you either sit quietly or shower praise.
If shortly after the election of 2008 you criticized voters as being dumb, stupid, duped, unintelligent, lacked critical thinking, black lash etc it would be assumed you were talking about the black vote and undoubtedly been labeled a racist.

tbergs

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

tbergs said:

bootlegger10 said:

Dems - Stop treating your candidates like they are the Messiah and start expecting something from them. This booing and cheering crap is so juvenile.

Is someone treating them like a messiah?

Did you see the stream of celebrities showing up for Obama's going away party?

So fn what why do you care who shows up just because no one cares to show up for anything Bafoon will have , its obvious a lot of celebrities like Obama so who's fault is that his or Clinton. !!

They are politicians. No need for parties. Get in there and govern. Then get out. I don't care that Beyoncé or Kelly Clarkson were at Obama's inauguration. I don't care that no celebrities want to show up for Trump. It isn't necessary. If the people have the power then Obama should be hosting parties for the people and not rich celebrities and business people.

Mainly, this Messiah treatment of Obama by celebrities stopped them from speaking up and holding them accountable. I don't think I ever heard Vedder speak up about Obama's drone strike program. Ever.

I guess I could care less about the going away parties with celebrities.

You make a good point about the drone strikes. I don't know that I've heard barely anyone object to it, but I think that has a lot to do with the character and integrity Obama has built around himself as a leader. People are more likely to trust that he's thinking these decisions through and weighing out what is the best course of action. These aren't off the cuff decisions or the "whim of a mad man". What will be interesting to monitor, is the public response Trump gets when these strikes are executed under his command. Someone who seems less interested in facts and considering the impact of any decision.


Anyway, the article below looks at Obama's weak defense of the program.

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/president-obamas-weak-defense-of-his-record-on-drone-strikes/511454/

Go Beavers

JC29856 said:

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

tbergs said:

bootlegger10 said:

Dems - Stop treating your candidates like they are the Messiah and start expecting something from them. This booing and cheering crap is so juvenile.

Is someone treating them like a messiah?

Did you see the stream of celebrities showing up for Obama's going away party?

So fn what why do you care who shows up just because no one cares to show up for anything Bafoon will have , its obvious a lot of celebrities like Obama so who's fault is that his or Clinton. !!

They are politicians. No need for parties. Get in there and govern. Then get out. I don't care that Beyoncé or Kelly Clarkson were at Obama's inauguration. I don't care that no celebrities want to show up for Trump. It isn't necessary. If the people have the power then Obama should be hosting parties for the people and not rich celebrities and business people.

Mainly, this Messiah treatment of Obama by celebrities stopped them from speaking up and holding them accountable. I don't think I ever heard Vedder speak up about Obama's drone strike program. Ever.

If you criticized Obama especially early in his first term, you risked being labeled or thought of as racist, so you either sit quietly or shower praise.
If shortly after the election of 2008 you criticized voters as being dumb, stupid, duped, unintelligent, lacked critical thinking, black lash etc it would be assumed you were talking about the black vote and undoubtedly been labeled a racist.

The claim that if you criticized Obama you'd be labelled racist is an over-blown load of garbage. He got plenty of criticism with anyone throwing out accusations of racism. Racism was brought up when warranted.l, and also in reaction to conservatives over-reaction and fear response about how he was going to destroy our country and there was going to be some Socialist take over. People rightly theorized that this over-reaction had a lot to do with him being black. And right wing campaign slogans "take our country back" and "make America great again"? Hmmm.......I wonder what's just under the surface with those?

JC29856

Go Beavers said:

JC29856 said:

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

tbergs said:

bootlegger10 said:

Dems - Stop treating your candidates like they are the Messiah and start expecting something from them. This booing and cheering crap is so juvenile.

Is someone treating them like a messiah?

Did you see the stream of celebrities showing up for Obama's going away party?

So fn what why do you care who shows up just because no one cares to show up for anything Bafoon will have , its obvious a lot of celebrities like Obama so who's fault is that his or Clinton. !!

They are politicians. No need for parties. Get in there and govern. Then get out. I don't care that Beyoncé or Kelly Clarkson were at Obama's inauguration. I don't care that no celebrities want to show up for Trump. It isn't necessary. If the people have the power then Obama should be hosting parties for the people and not rich celebrities and business people.

Mainly, this Messiah treatment of Obama by celebrities stopped them from speaking up and holding them accountable. I don't think I ever heard Vedder speak up about Obama's drone strike program. Ever.

If you criticized Obama especially early in his first term, you risked being labeled or thought of as racist, so you either sit quietly or shower praise.
If shortly after the election of 2008 you criticized voters as being dumb, stupid, duped, unintelligent, lacked critical thinking, black lash etc it would be assumed you were talking about the black vote and undoubtedly been labeled a racist.

The claim that if you criticized Obama you'd be labelled racist is an over-blown load of garbage. He got plenty of criticism with anyone throwing out accusations of racism. Racism was brought up when warranted.l, and also in reaction to conservatives over-reaction and fear response about how he was going to destroy our country and there was going to be some Socialist take over. People rightly theorized that this over-reaction had a lot to do with him being black. And right wing campaign slogans "take our country back" and "make America great again"? Hmmm.......I wonder what's just under the surface with those?

....run the RISK...

tbergs

JC29856 said:

Go Beavers said:

JC29856 said:

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

tbergs said:

bootlegger10 said:

Dems - Stop treating your candidates like they are the Messiah and start expecting something from them. This booing and cheering crap is so juvenile.

Is someone treating them like a messiah?

Did you see the stream of celebrities showing up for Obama's going away party?

So fn what why do you care who shows up just because no one cares to show up for anything Bafoon will have , its obvious a lot of celebrities like Obama so who's fault is that his or Clinton. !!

They are politicians. No need for parties. Get in there and govern. Then get out. I don't care that Beyoncé or Kelly Clarkson were at Obama's inauguration. I don't care that no celebrities want to show up for Trump. It isn't necessary. If the people have the power then Obama should be hosting parties for the people and not rich celebrities and business people.

Mainly, this Messiah treatment of Obama by celebrities stopped them from speaking up and holding them accountable. I don't think I ever heard Vedder speak up about Obama's drone strike program. Ever.

If you criticized Obama especially early in his first term, you risked being labeled or thought of as racist, so you either sit quietly or shower praise.
If shortly after the election of 2008 you criticized voters as being dumb, stupid, duped, unintelligent, lacked critical thinking, black lash etc it would be assumed you were talking about the black vote and undoubtedly been labeled a racist.

The claim that if you criticized Obama you'd be labelled racist is an over-blown load of garbage. He got plenty of criticism with anyone throwing out accusations of racism. Racism was brought up when warranted.l, and also in reaction to conservatives over-reaction and fear response about how he was going to destroy our country and there was going to be some Socialist take over. People rightly theorized that this over-reaction had a lot to do with him being black. And right wing campaign slogans "take our country back" and "make America great again"? Hmmm.......I wonder what's just under the surface with those?

....run the RISK...

It really depends on how you supported your argument if there was an objection. I don't think any well thought out and fact based disagreement or questioning would be labeled racist, but when you just speculate, estimate or assume, then yeah, it's a good possibility someone might get called out on what the underlying reasons are.

HughFreakingDillon

JC29856 said:

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

tbergs said:

bootlegger10 said:

Dems - Stop treating your candidates like they are the Messiah and start expecting something from them. This booing and cheering crap is so juvenile.

Is someone treating them like a messiah?

Did you see the stream of celebrities showing up for Obama's going away party?

So fn what why do you care who shows up just because no one cares to show up for anything Bafoon will have , its obvious a lot of celebrities like Obama so who's fault is that his or Clinton. !!

They are politicians. No need for parties. Get in there and govern. Then get out. I don't care that Beyoncé or Kelly Clarkson were at Obama's inauguration. I don't care that no celebrities want to show up for Trump. It isn't necessary. If the people have the power then Obama should be hosting parties for the people and not rich celebrities and business people.

Mainly, this Messiah treatment of Obama by celebrities stopped them from speaking up and holding them accountable. I don't think I ever heard Vedder speak up about Obama's drone strike program. Ever.

If you criticized Obama especially early in his first term, you risked being labeled or thought of as racist, so you either sit quietly or shower praise.
If shortly after the election of 2008 you criticized voters as being dumb, stupid, duped, unintelligent, lacked critical thinking, black lash etc it would be assumed you were talking about the black vote and undoubtedly been labeled a racist.

as the Beav said, that's totally inaccurate. people got labelled racist for posting cartoons as Obama as a piece of shit, or as a monkey, or whathaveyou. They didn't get labelled, by and large, a racist for disagreeing with policy. if they did, those accusing that are no different than those labelling all Trump voters as hillbillies.

The Juggler

3 doors down is playing at the inauguration. ha

jeffbr

The Juggler said:

3 doors down is playing at the inauguration. ha

Bigly!

tbergs

The Juggler said:

3 doors down is playing at the inauguration. ha

Don't forget Toby Keith!

mrussel1

The Juggler said:

3 doors down is playing at the inauguration. ha

He is our Superman...

JC29856

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

tbergs said:

bootlegger10 said:

Dems - Stop treating your candidates like they are the Messiah and start expecting something from them. This booing and cheering crap is so juvenile.

Is someone treating them like a messiah?

Did you see the stream of celebrities showing up for Obama's going away party?

So fn what why do you care who shows up just because no one cares to show up for anything Bafoon will have , its obvious a lot of celebrities like Obama so who's fault is that his or Clinton. !!

They are politicians. No need for parties. Get in there and govern. Then get out. I don't care that Beyoncé or Kelly Clarkson were at Obama's inauguration. I don't care that no celebrities want to show up for Trump. It isn't necessary. If the people have the power then Obama should be hosting parties for the people and not rich celebrities and business people.

Mainly, this Messiah treatment of Obama by celebrities stopped them from speaking up and holding them accountable. I don't think I ever heard Vedder speak up about Obama's drone strike program. Ever.

If you criticized Obama especially early in his first term, you risked being labeled or thought of as racist, so you either sit quietly or shower praise.
If shortly after the election of 2008 you criticized voters as being dumb, stupid, duped, unintelligent, lacked critical thinking, black lash etc it would be assumed you were talking about the black vote and undoubtedly been labeled a racist.

as the Beav said, that's totally inaccurate. people got labelled racist for posting cartoons as Obama as a piece of shit, or as a monkey, or whathaveyou. They didn't get labelled, by and large, a racist for disagreeing with policy. if they did, those accusing that are no different than those labelling all Trump voters as hillbillies.

Gern Blansten

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HughFreakingDillon

JC29856 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

tbergs said:

bootlegger10 said:

Dems - Stop treating your candidates like they are the Messiah and start expecting something from them. This booing and cheering crap is so juvenile.

Is someone treating them like a messiah?

Did you see the stream of celebrities showing up for Obama's going away party?

So fn what why do you care who shows up just because no one cares to show up for anything Bafoon will have , its obvious a lot of celebrities like Obama so who's fault is that his or Clinton. !!

They are politicians. No need for parties. Get in there and govern. Then get out. I don't care that Beyoncé or Kelly Clarkson were at Obama's inauguration. I don't care that no celebrities want to show up for Trump. It isn't necessary. If the people have the power then Obama should be hosting parties for the people and not rich celebrities and business people.

Mainly, this Messiah treatment of Obama by celebrities stopped them from speaking up and holding them accountable. I don't think I ever heard Vedder speak up about Obama's drone strike program. Ever.

If you criticized Obama especially early in his first term, you risked being labeled or thought of as racist, so you either sit quietly or shower praise.
If shortly after the election of 2008 you criticized voters as being dumb, stupid, duped, unintelligent, lacked critical thinking, black lash etc it would be assumed you were talking about the black vote and undoubtedly been labeled a racist.

as the Beav said, that's totally inaccurate. people got labelled racist for posting cartoons as Obama as a piece of shit, or as a monkey, or whathaveyou. They didn't get labelled, by and large, a racist for disagreeing with policy. if they did, those accusing that are no different than those labelling all Trump voters as hillbillies.

I'm not following......

JC29856

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

tbergs said:

bootlegger10 said:

Dems - Stop treating your candidates like they are the Messiah and start expecting something from them. This booing and cheering crap is so juvenile.

Is someone treating them like a messiah?

Did you see the stream of celebrities showing up for Obama's going away party?

So fn what why do you care who shows up just because no one cares to show up for anything Bafoon will have , its obvious a lot of celebrities like Obama so who's fault is that his or Clinton. !!

They are politicians. No need for parties. Get in there and govern. Then get out. I don't care that Beyoncé or Kelly Clarkson were at Obama's inauguration. I don't care that no celebrities want to show up for Trump. It isn't necessary. If the people have the power then Obama should be hosting parties for the people and not rich celebrities and business people.

Mainly, this Messiah treatment of Obama by celebrities stopped them from speaking up and holding them accountable. I don't think I ever heard Vedder speak up about Obama's drone strike program. Ever.

If you criticized Obama especially early in his first term, you risked being labeled or thought of as racist, so you either sit quietly or shower praise.
If shortly after the election of 2008 you criticized voters as being dumb, stupid, duped, unintelligent, lacked critical thinking, black lash etc it would be assumed you were talking about the black vote and undoubtedly been labeled a racist.

as the Beav said, that's totally inaccurate. people got labelled racist for posting cartoons as Obama as a piece of shit, or as a monkey, or whathaveyou. They didn't get labelled, by and large, a racist for disagreeing with policy. if they did, those accusing that are no different than those labelling all Trump voters as hillbillies.

I'm not following......

My comment, if early in obamas presidency when all the talk was first black president, anyone critical of obama ran the risk of being labeled racist. My point, someone would have to weigh, is my obama criticism worth the risk of someone labeling me racist.

jeffbr

tbergs said:

The Juggler said:

3 doors down is playing at the inauguration. ha

Don't forget Toby Keith!

I was going to joke that Lee Greenwood should perform his cliche of a song God Bless the USA, and just saw that CNN reported yesterday afternoon that he will join this esteemed lineup. Who's headlining? With all of the A-list bands how will they decide?

3-Doors Down
Lee Greenwood
Radio City Rockettes
Mormon Tabernacle Choir
16-year old AGT Star Jackie Evancho

It's looking like a hot ticket, now!

Gern Blansten

jeffbr said:

tbergs said:

The Juggler said:

3 doors down is playing at the inauguration. ha

Don't forget Toby Keith!

I was going to joke that Lee Greenwood should perform his cliche of a song God Bless the USA, and just saw that CNN reported yesterday afternoon that he will join this esteemed lineup. Who's headlining? With all of the A-list bands how will they decide?

3-Doors Down
Lee Greenwood
Radio City Rockettes
Mormon Tabernacle Choir
16-year old AGT Star Jackie Evancho

It's looking like a hot ticket, now!

no Foghat?

Go Beavers

JC29856 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

tbergs said:

bootlegger10 said:

Dems - Stop treating your candidates like they are the Messiah and start expecting something from them. This booing and cheering crap is so juvenile.

Is someone treating them like a messiah?

Did you see the stream of celebrities showing up for Obama's going away party?

So fn what why do you care who shows up just because no one cares to show up for anything Bafoon will have , its obvious a lot of celebrities like Obama so who's fault is that his or Clinton. !!

They are politicians. No need for parties. Get in there and govern. Then get out. I don't care that Beyoncé or Kelly Clarkson were at Obama's inauguration. I don't care that no celebrities want to show up for Trump. It isn't necessary. If the people have the power then Obama should be hosting parties for the people and not rich celebrities and business people.

Mainly, this Messiah treatment of Obama by celebrities stopped them from speaking up and holding them accountable. I don't think I ever heard Vedder speak up about Obama's drone strike program. Ever.

If you criticized Obama especially early in his first term, you risked being labeled or thought of as racist, so you either sit quietly or shower praise.
If shortly after the election of 2008 you criticized voters as being dumb, stupid, duped, unintelligent, lacked critical thinking, black lash etc it would be assumed you were talking about the black vote and undoubtedly been labeled a racist.

as the Beav said, that's totally inaccurate. people got labelled racist for posting cartoons as Obama as a piece of shit, or as a monkey, or whathaveyou. They didn't get labelled, by and large, a racist for disagreeing with policy. if they did, those accusing that are no different than those labelling all Trump voters as hillbillies.

I'm not following......

My comment, if early in obamas presidency when all the talk was first black president, anyone critical of obama ran the risk of being labeled racist. My point, someone would have to weigh, is my obama criticism worth the risk of someone labeling me racist.

The"risk" reference was a small part of your post, and you removed any risk reference once you got to the end of your post.

jeffbr

Gern Blansten said:

jeffbr said:

tbergs said:

The Juggler said:

3 doors down is playing at the inauguration. ha

Don't forget Toby Keith!

I was going to joke that Lee Greenwood should perform his cliche of a song God Bless the USA, and just saw that CNN reported yesterday afternoon that he will join this esteemed lineup. Who's headlining? With all of the A-list bands how will they decide?

3-Doors Down
Lee Greenwood
Radio City Rockettes
Mormon Tabernacle Choir
16-year old AGT Star Jackie Evancho

It's looking like a hot ticket, now!

no Foghat?

Slowride, take it easy
Slow down, go down, got to get your lovin' one more time
Slowride, easy, slowride, sleazy
Slow down, go down, got to get your lovin' one more time
Hold me, roll me, slow ridin' woman you're so fine

rssesq

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zILs4TaYFqs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x811GWLrkW0
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