Hillary won more votes for President

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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    JC29856 said:

    At least the FBI cleared Hilliary again, now there should be no excuses. It's funny how bad trumpets wanted Hilliary taken down, now it's well the Clinton Foundation is still under investigation, something about Hilliarys maid and Comeys brother doing the Clintons taxes. It will be really really interesting these next couple days. Happy voting!

    I hope there is no need to make excuses, but how many millions of people voted in the last 9 days under the impression that Secretary Clinton was under FBI investigation, that an indictment was coming or anything else that could have lead someone to vote against Clinton. Comey did plenty of damage with how this was handled.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    edited November 2016
    Comey was in a lose/lose position. If he says something about the newly found emails, he's attacked by the Dems for helping Trump. If he doesn't and something comes out after the election, he would be crushed for helping Hillary. This is an unprecedented situation and he was forced to make an unprecedented decision.

    I don't really feel bad for the Democrats here. No party that willingly nominates a candidate under investigation by the FBI has the right to get upset when that candidate is investigated by the FBI. She never should have become the nominee with this hanging over her head. But she did and here we are.
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    ledvedderman said:

    JC29856 said:

    At least the FBI cleared Hilliary again, now there should be no excuses. It's funny how bad trumpets wanted Hilliary taken down, now it's well the Clinton Foundation is still under investigation, something about Hilliarys maid and Comeys brother doing the Clintons taxes. It will be really really interesting these next couple days. Happy voting!

    I hope there is no need to make excuses, but how many millions of people voted in the last 9 days under the impression that Secretary Clinton was under FBI investigation, that an indictment was coming or anything else that could have lead someone to vote against Clinton. Comey did plenty of damage with how this was handled.
    She still is under investigation with respect to the foundation. That hasn't changed. His statement last week and his statement today pertains to the email issue only. These are separate things.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    I was certain Hilliary would easily win on Tuesday with more than 300 electoral votes, I'm not so certain 2 days out.
    I'm still fairly certain she will face impeachment.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,924
    BS44325 said:

    ledvedderman said:

    JC29856 said:

    At least the FBI cleared Hilliary again, now there should be no excuses. It's funny how bad trumpets wanted Hilliary taken down, now it's well the Clinton Foundation is still under investigation, something about Hilliarys maid and Comeys brother doing the Clintons taxes. It will be really really interesting these next couple days. Happy voting!

    I hope there is no need to make excuses, but how many millions of people voted in the last 9 days under the impression that Secretary Clinton was under FBI investigation, that an indictment was coming or anything else that could have lead someone to vote against Clinton. Comey did plenty of damage with how this was handled.
    She still is under investigation with respect to the foundation. That hasn't changed. His statement last week and his statement today pertains to the email issue only. These are separate things.
    Did the FBI actually state that the Clinton Foundation is under investigation, or is that a 'leak'?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,924
    JC29856 said:

    I was certain Hilliary would easily win on Tuesday with more than 300 electoral votes, I'm not so certain 2 days out.
    I'm still fairly certain she will face impeachment.

    Do you mean for JFK's jr's death, or something even more whacky?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    tonifig8 said:

    dignin said:

    tonifig8 said:

    dignin said:

    Any chance you can find a recent Hillary interview? You're pretty good with media stuff.
    Any chance you have a sense of humour? Even a Trump supporter has to have a laugh everyone once in awhile, right?
    I am no longer voting for trump. Brian, through his post, has convinced me that it's ok for her to win. I've read some interesting stuff in other outlets as well and its Given me a whole new perspective.

    Oh and I do have a sense of humor... I just posted a bunch of "hahahaha's" a few post ago...

    C'mon man... You know who's missing you!?!?
    Ed ved looks hot people! :)
    I so get where you were coming from, tonifig, with the idea of a protest vote for Trump and I admit I thought about it for a minute or two myself but watching Trump speak to me is like looking at a man with an ego that got out of control and changed him from a rich and moderately amusing TV personality to a crazed evil soul stoking his ego endlessly ever more.

    I'm no Hillary fan- not at all- but my hope is we get through 4 years of Hillary and have enough people wake up during those years and put something together that is a better choice next time. I mean, really, could it get much worse? We can do better.
    What we need to do after the election is to work towards opening all State primaries, make registering easier and the deadline to register later towards the voting date, and pressuring our states to get rid of superdelegates in the election process. A couple states of already move towards that.

    Progress.
    A sound plan, Free, yes.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    ledvedderman said:

    JC29856 said:

    At least the FBI cleared Hilliary again, now there should be no excuses. It's funny how bad trumpets wanted Hilliary taken down, now it's well the Clinton Foundation is still under investigation, something about Hilliarys maid and Comeys brother doing the Clintons taxes. It will be really really interesting these next couple days. Happy voting!

    I hope there is no need to make excuses, but how many millions of people voted in the last 9 days under the impression that Secretary Clinton was under FBI investigation, that an indictment was coming or anything else that could have lead someone to vote against Clinton. Comey did plenty of damage with how this was handled.
    She still is under investigation with respect to the foundation. That hasn't changed. His statement last week and his statement today pertains to the email issue only. These are separate things.
    Did the FBI actually state that the Clinton Foundation is under investigation, or is that a 'leak'?
    I'm pretty sure it's from the "leak" and unsubstantiated.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    edited November 2016
    Progressive:
    adj.
    1. happening or developing gradually or in stages; proceeding step by step
    2. favoring or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas.

    n.
    1. originally "a person advocating or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas", the term became corrupted in the first quarter of the twenty first century and thus this usage of the word became obsolete.
    2. (grammar) a progressive tense or aspect.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    brianlux said:

    Progressive:
    adj.
    1. happening or developing gradually or in stages; proceeding step by step
    2. favoring or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas.

    n.
    1. originally "a person advocating or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas", the term became corrupted in the first quarter of the twenty first century and thus this usage of the word became obsolete.
    2. (grammar) a progressive tense or aspect.

    Hey! That describes me. But I've been hearing for weeks that I'm not a progressive.....what gives?
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    You're not a real progressive, dignin! If you were you'd vote for Trump so he can get impeached!
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,924
    dignin said:

    brianlux said:

    Progressive:
    adj.
    1. happening or developing gradually or in stages; proceeding step by step
    2. favoring or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas.

    n.
    1. originally "a person advocating or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas", the term became corrupted in the first quarter of the twenty first century and thus this usage of the word became obsolete.
    2. (grammar) a progressive tense or aspect.

    Hey! That describes me. But I've been hearing for weeks that I'm not a progressive.....what gives?
    You're being deemed corrupt by people who know you better than you know yourself.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    ledvedderman said:

    JC29856 said:

    At least the FBI cleared Hilliary again, now there should be no excuses. It's funny how bad trumpets wanted Hilliary taken down, now it's well the Clinton Foundation is still under investigation, something about Hilliarys maid and Comeys brother doing the Clintons taxes. It will be really really interesting these next couple days. Happy voting!

    I hope there is no need to make excuses, but how many millions of people voted in the last 9 days under the impression that Secretary Clinton was under FBI investigation, that an indictment was coming or anything else that could have lead someone to vote against Clinton. Comey did plenty of damage with how this was handled.
    She still is under investigation with respect to the foundation. That hasn't changed. His statement last week and his statement today pertains to the email issue only. These are separate things.
    Did the FBI actually state that the Clinton Foundation is under investigation, or is that a 'leak'?
    It was reported in the Wall Street Journal article and elsewhere. Four separate FBI field offices are investigating as well as an IRS office in Dallas. The articles have been linked to in either this thread or the close FBI thread.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,924
    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    ledvedderman said:

    JC29856 said:

    At least the FBI cleared Hilliary again, now there should be no excuses. It's funny how bad trumpets wanted Hilliary taken down, now it's well the Clinton Foundation is still under investigation, something about Hilliarys maid and Comeys brother doing the Clintons taxes. It will be really really interesting these next couple days. Happy voting!

    I hope there is no need to make excuses, but how many millions of people voted in the last 9 days under the impression that Secretary Clinton was under FBI investigation, that an indictment was coming or anything else that could have lead someone to vote against Clinton. Comey did plenty of damage with how this was handled.
    She still is under investigation with respect to the foundation. That hasn't changed. His statement last week and his statement today pertains to the email issue only. These are separate things.
    Did the FBI actually state that the Clinton Foundation is under investigation, or is that a 'leak'?
    It was reported in the Wall Street Journal article and elsewhere. Four separate FBI field offices are investigating as well as an IRS office in Dallas. The articles have been linked to in either this thread or the close FBI thread.
    I'm asking if there's an actual public subpoena for records or on the record source that it is being investigated, not WSJ and Fox insides sources. You'll have to forgive my cynicism after learning that some agents are talking to Rudy directly.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:


    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    ledvedderman said:

    JC29856 said:

    At least the FBI cleared Hilliary again, now there should be no excuses. It's funny how bad trumpets wanted Hilliary taken down, now it's well the Clinton Foundation is still under investigation, something about Hilliarys maid and Comeys brother doing the Clintons taxes. It will be really really interesting these next couple days. Happy voting!

    I hope there is no need to make excuses, but how many millions of people voted in the last 9 days under the impression that Secretary Clinton was under FBI investigation, that an indictment was coming or anything else that could have lead someone to vote against Clinton. Comey did plenty of damage with how this was handled.
    She still is under investigation with respect to the foundation. That hasn't changed. His statement last week and his statement today pertains to the email issue only. These are separate things.
    Did the FBI actually state that the Clinton Foundation is under investigation, or is that a 'leak'?
    It was reported in the Wall Street Journal article and elsewhere. Four separate FBI field offices are investigating as well as an IRS office in Dallas. The articles have been linked to in either this thread or the close FBI thread.
    I'm asking if there's an actual public subpoena for records or on the record source that it is being investigated, not WSJ and Fox insides sources. You'll have to forgive my cynicism after learning that some agents are talking to Rudy directly.
    This article details the IRS angle that is verified to be ongoing

    http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/the-dallas-irs-office-thats-quietly-determining-the-fate-of-the-clinton-foundation-8864404

    It ties in with what was reported by the Wall Street Journal which is not being confirmed or denied by the FBI. Lastly Comey was specifically asked under oath if the FBI was investigating the foundation and instead of saying no he would not comment. A foundation investigation is happening and unlike the emails the FBI is appropriately not commenting. Again this may not lead to any charges but nobody should deny that there is an investigation.

    The Qatar payment happened

    https://www.google.ca/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN12Z2SL?client=safari

    It will be investigated




  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,924
    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:


    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    ledvedderman said:

    JC29856 said:

    At least the FBI cleared Hilliary again, now there should be no excuses. It's funny how bad trumpets wanted Hilliary taken down, now it's well the Clinton Foundation is still under investigation, something about Hilliarys maid and Comeys brother doing the Clintons taxes. It will be really really interesting these next couple days. Happy voting!

    I hope there is no need to make excuses, but how many millions of people voted in the last 9 days under the impression that Secretary Clinton was under FBI investigation, that an indictment was coming or anything else that could have lead someone to vote against Clinton. Comey did plenty of damage with how this was handled.
    She still is under investigation with respect to the foundation. That hasn't changed. His statement last week and his statement today pertains to the email issue only. These are separate things.
    Did the FBI actually state that the Clinton Foundation is under investigation, or is that a 'leak'?
    It was reported in the Wall Street Journal article and elsewhere. Four separate FBI field offices are investigating as well as an IRS office in Dallas. The articles have been linked to in either this thread or the close FBI thread.
    I'm asking if there's an actual public subpoena for records or on the record source that it is being investigated, not WSJ and Fox insides sources. You'll have to forgive my cynicism after learning that some agents are talking to Rudy directly.
    This article details the IRS angle that is verified to be ongoing

    http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/the-dallas-irs-office-thats-quietly-determining-the-fate-of-the-clinton-foundation-8864404

    It ties in with what was reported by the Wall Street Journal which is not being confirmed or denied by the FBI. Lastly Comey was specifically asked under oath if the FBI was investigating the foundation and instead of saying no he would not comment. A foundation investigation is happening and unlike the emails the FBI is appropriately not commenting. Again this may not lead to any charges but nobody should deny that there is an investigation.

    The Qatar payment happened

    https://www.google.ca/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN12Z2SL?client=safari

    It will be investigated




    Few things here:

    1. I'm not sure what an IRS investigation has to do with an FBI investigation. FBI only investigates criminal cases whereas the IRS can take a civil issue and potentially escalate it to criminal with assistance from Justice, I believe. Isn't the IRS technically investigating Donald Trump through its audit??

    2. The article makes clear that there is nothing illegal about the Qatar donation on its face. Clinton's MOU with the administration only requires notice if there is a material increase. We don't know the details nor do we know if the word 'material' was defined. I'm surprised you aren't amped up about the UK increasing its donations. That seems like the most appalling development.

    So it appears the answer to my question is "no, there is no official word that the Foundation is being investigated by the FBI, let along imminent 'charges', let alone any indication that Hillary herself, would be charged. So we're like six degrees away from JC's prediction of impeachment.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:


    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    ledvedderman said:

    JC29856 said:

    At least the FBI cleared Hilliary again, now there should be no excuses. It's funny how bad trumpets wanted Hilliary taken down, now it's well the Clinton Foundation is still under investigation, something about Hilliarys maid and Comeys brother doing the Clintons taxes. It will be really really interesting these next couple days. Happy voting!

    I hope there is no need to make excuses, but how many millions of people voted in the last 9 days under the impression that Secretary Clinton was under FBI investigation, that an indictment was coming or anything else that could have lead someone to vote against Clinton. Comey did plenty of damage with how this was handled.
    She still is under investigation with respect to the foundation. That hasn't changed. His statement last week and his statement today pertains to the email issue only. These are separate things.
    Did the FBI actually state that the Clinton Foundation is under investigation, or is that a 'leak'?
    It was reported in the Wall Street Journal article and elsewhere. Four separate FBI field offices are investigating as well as an IRS office in Dallas. The articles have been linked to in either this thread or the close FBI thread.
    I'm asking if there's an actual public subpoena for records or on the record source that it is being investigated, not WSJ and Fox insides sources. You'll have to forgive my cynicism after learning that some agents are talking to Rudy directly.
    This article details the IRS angle that is verified to be ongoing

    http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/the-dallas-irs-office-thats-quietly-determining-the-fate-of-the-clinton-foundation-8864404

    It ties in with what was reported by the Wall Street Journal which is not being confirmed or denied by the FBI. Lastly Comey was specifically asked under oath if the FBI was investigating the foundation and instead of saying no he would not comment. A foundation investigation is happening and unlike the emails the FBI is appropriately not commenting. Again this may not lead to any charges but nobody should deny that there is an investigation.

    The Qatar payment happened

    https://www.google.ca/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN12Z2SL?client=safari

    It will be investigated




    Few things here:

    1. I'm not sure what an IRS investigation has to do with an FBI investigation. FBI only investigates criminal cases whereas the IRS can take a civil issue and potentially escalate it to criminal with assistance from Justice, I believe. Isn't the IRS technically investigating Donald Trump through its audit??

    2. The article makes clear that there is nothing illegal about the Qatar donation on its face. Clinton's MOU with the administration only requires notice if there is a material increase. We don't know the details nor do we know if the word 'material' was defined. I'm surprised you aren't amped up about the UK increasing its donations. That seems like the most appalling development.

    So it appears the answer to my question is "no, there is no official word that the Foundation is being investigated by the FBI, let along imminent 'charges', let alone any indication that Hillary herself, would be charged. So we're like six degrees away from JC's prediction of impeachment.
    I have never said anything about charges being imminent. The evidence of an "investigation" is before you. I am not sure what you are looking for in terms of something being "official". The reason the whole email affair became such a problem is that Comey made an "official" announcement when an investigation was taking place. You all need to make up your mind on whether you want the FBI to make "official" statements or not during an ongoing investigation. The foundation is being investigated by four different field offices of the FBI. This has been confirmed. The investigations may lead nowhere but they are investigations. I am sorry you don't like that word. I am sorry you find it so prejudicial. If you had confidence in the honesty of your candidate it probably wouldn't bother you but for some strange reason it does.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,513
    There is no FBI investigation of the foundation. Get better news sources.
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Gern Blansten said:

    There is no FBI investigation of the foundation. Get better news sources.

    Please send me your list of approved sources.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Former Assistant Director at the FBI Tom Fuentes

    https://youtu.be/kiy7BFnubps

    Probably not Gern approved

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