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PJfanwillneverleave1

mickeyrat said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up.
Christianity is the most popular arguably
poor Christians
so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against

Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy?
Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?

I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.

Really?,
whether they are educated
all they know is the quran if they aren't
That is a weak answer
All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.

rgambs

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

mickeyrat said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up.
Christianity is the most popular arguably
poor Christians
so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against

Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy?
Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?

I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.

Really?,
whether they are educated
all they know is the quran if they aren't
That is a weak answer
All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.

All religions are highly hypocritical, and yet there are many adherents.

Aren't you usually the thread topic police?


Do you think Muslims, Christians, Deists, Hindus, etc should be excluded from the highest political offices?

PJfanwillneverleave1

badbrains said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up.
Christianity is the most popular arguably
poor Christians
so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against

Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy?
Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?

And just so you know, it's in every religion and its fucken WRONG. Here, answered by a MUSLIM. For the second fucken time

And yes, you are right. I did ask you before but in a different thread in a different discussion.
I asked you again for the purpose of backing up my claim that that question should be asked to anyone especially a muslim running for presidency.

badbrains

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

badbrains said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

badbrains said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Two threads about muslims about to be closed.
Wonder why?

Please tell us why?

questioning the muslim faith is a no go for some so they find alternate ways to close the discussion.
BB - do you believe in the punishment for Apostasy?

So let me get this straight. You actually think we or I try to close threads about Muslims? Wow

I'm not sure.
But something fishy goes down when a random person drops in to say hello in certain threads.

WOW, now I'm speechless

PJfanwillneverleave1

rgambs said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

mickeyrat said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up.
Christianity is the most popular arguably
poor Christians
so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against

Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy?
Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?

I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.

Really?,
whether they are educated
all they know is the quran if they aren't
That is a weak answer
All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.

All religions are highly hypocritical, and yet there are many adherents.

Aren't you usually the thread topic police?


Do you think Muslims, Christians, Deists, Hindus, etc should be excluded from the highest political offices?

If they believe in a despicable part of their religious beliefs yes.

mickeyrat

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

mickeyrat said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up.
Christianity is the most popular arguably
poor Christians
so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against

Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy?
Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?

I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.

Really?,
whether they are educated
all they know is the quran if they aren't
That is a weak answer
All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.

weak why? If they are educated it stands to reason they could and would have read the quran themselves to see what it says and not rely on the un or undereducated that stands to reason are reliant on what others tell them it means. Just like other faiths. Checking your brain at the door and takeing at face value what someone behind a pulpit says.

you know, different from study of whatever text for whatever faith THEMSELVES.

mickeyrat

rgambs said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

mickeyrat said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up.
Christianity is the most popular arguably
poor Christians
so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against

Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy?
Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?

I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.

Really?,
whether they are educated
all they know is the quran if they aren't
That is a weak answer
All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.

All religions are highly hypocritical, and yet there are many adherents.

Aren't you usually the thread topic police?


Do you think Muslims, Christians, Deists, Hindus, etc should be excluded from the highest political offices?

He can confine that answer to Canada. I frankly dont give a shit what a citizen of another country thinks as it relates to what a president shoudl or shouldn't be.

jnimhaoileoin

I don't believe that a person who practices a certain religion is necessarily obliged to adhere to all it's supposed pillars or teachings. I don't think it has to be all or nothing. For example, I'm sure there are many in Ireland who consider themselves Catholics but who still voted in favour of same-sex marriage. I respect their right to choose their religion and equally to choose how they practice it. It's certainly not for me to say what rules they have to follow or to call them hypocrites should they happen to disagree with a certain aspect of said religion.

Personally I'm an atheist but I understand why religion is important to people and I have no issue with those who wish to worship whatever god they choose, however they choose, as long as it in no way interferes with anyone else's freedoms to practice their own religion or equally to reject all religion.

PJfanwillneverleave1

mickeyrat said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

mickeyrat said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up.
Christianity is the most popular arguably
poor Christians
so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against

Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy?
Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?

I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.

Really?,
whether they are educated
all they know is the quran if they aren't
That is a weak answer
All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.

weak why? If they are educated it stands to reason they could and would have read the quran themselves to see what it says and not rely on the un or undereducated that stands to reason are reliant on what others tell them it means. Just like other faiths. Checking your brain at the door and takeing at face value what someone behind a pulpit says.

you know, different from study of whatever text for whatever faith THEMSELVES.

educated or not - reading the quran tells you loud and clear the punishment for apostasy.

kids growing up only reading the quran have no choice but to stay muslim or fear death
adult muslims educated or not profess to be muslim so I would assume they believe in the punishment for apostasy.

mickeyrat

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

mickeyrat said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

mickeyrat said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up.
Christianity is the most popular arguably
poor Christians
so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against

Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy?
Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?

I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.

Really?,
whether they are educated
all they know is the quran if they aren't
That is a weak answer
All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.

weak why? If they are educated it stands to reason they could and would have read the quran themselves to see what it says and not rely on the un or undereducated that stands to reason are reliant on what others tell them it means. Just like other faiths. Checking your brain at the door and takeing at face value what someone behind a pulpit says.

you know, different from study of whatever text for whatever faith THEMSELVES.

educated or not - reading the quran tells you loud and clear the punishment for apostasy.

kids growing up only reading the quran have no choice but to stay muslim or fear death
adult muslims educated or not profess to be muslim so I would assume they believe in the punishment for apostasy.

regular reader of that text are you?

PJfanwillneverleave1

mickeyrat said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

mickeyrat said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

mickeyrat said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up.
Christianity is the most popular arguably
poor Christians
so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against

Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy?
Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?

I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.

Really?,
whether they are educated
all they know is the quran if they aren't
That is a weak answer
All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.

weak why? If they are educated it stands to reason they could and would have read the quran themselves to see what it says and not rely on the un or undereducated that stands to reason are reliant on what others tell them it means. Just like other faiths. Checking your brain at the door and takeing at face value what someone behind a pulpit says.

you know, different from study of whatever text for whatever faith THEMSELVES.

educated or not - reading the quran tells you loud and clear the punishment for apostasy.

kids growing up only reading the quran have no choice but to stay muslim or fear death
adult muslims educated or not profess to be muslim so I would assume they believe in the punishment for apostasy.

regular reader of that text are you?

Stopped reading once it got to the apostasy part.

hedonist

jnimhaoileoin said:

I don't believe that a person who practices a certain religion is necessarily obliged to adhere to all it's supposed pillars or teachings. I don't think it has to be all or nothing. For example, I'm sure there are many in Ireland who consider themselves Catholics but who still voted in favour of same-sex marriage. I respect their right to choose their religion and equally to choose how they practice it. It's certainly not for me to say what rules they have to follow or to call them hypocrites should they happen to disagree with a certain aspect of said religion.

Personally I'm an atheist but I understand why religion is important to people and I have no issue with those who wish to worship whatever god they choose, however they choose, as long as it in no way interferes with anyone else's freedoms to practice their own religion or equally to reject all religion.

So very simple, really.

badbrains

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

mickeyrat said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up.
Christianity is the most popular arguably
poor Christians
so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against

Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy?
Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?

I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.

Really?,
whether they are educated
all they know is the quran if they aren't
That is a weak answer
All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.

Oh so now I'm a hypocrite? Fuck out of here. You truly are a fucken troll. You get all excited when your posts generate any buzz. Pretty pathetic.

PJfanwillneverleave1

hedonist said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

I don't believe that a person who practices a certain religion is necessarily obliged to adhere to all it's supposed pillars or teachings. I don't think it has to be all or nothing. For example, I'm sure there are many in Ireland who consider themselves Catholics but who still voted in favour of same-sex marriage. I respect their right to choose their religion and equally to choose how they practice it. It's certainly not for me to say what rules they have to follow or to call them hypocrites should they happen to disagree with a certain aspect of said religion.

Personally I'm an atheist but I understand why religion is important to people and I have no issue with those who wish to worship whatever god they choose, however they choose, as long as it in no way interferes with anyone else's freedoms to practice their own religion or equally to reject all religion.

So very simple, really.

Simple yes.
It's like saying "Don't mind my coldsore, give me a kiss"

mickeyrat

Atheists such as some who frequent here and elsewhere are FAR worse than any believer imo.

hedonist

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

hedonist said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

I don't believe that a person who practices a certain religion is necessarily obliged to adhere to all it's supposed pillars or teachings. I don't think it has to be all or nothing. For example, I'm sure there are many in Ireland who consider themselves Catholics but who still voted in favour of same-sex marriage. I respect their right to choose their religion and equally to choose how they practice it. It's certainly not for me to say what rules they have to follow or to call them hypocrites should they happen to disagree with a certain aspect of said religion.

Personally I'm an atheist but I understand why religion is important to people and I have no issue with those who wish to worship whatever god they choose, however they choose, as long as it in no way interferes with anyone else's freedoms to practice their own religion or equally to reject all religion.

So very simple, really.

Simple yes.
It's like saying "Don't mind my coldsore, give me a kiss"

Not getting the comparison...

badbrains

mickeyrat said:

Atheists such as some who frequent here and elsewhere are FAR worse than any believer imo.

Amen (no pun intended)

mickeyrat

mickeyrat said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

mickeyrat said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

mickeyrat said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up.
Christianity is the most popular arguably
poor Christians
so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against

Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy?
Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?

I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.

Really?,
whether they are educated
all they know is the quran if they aren't
That is a weak answer
All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.

weak why? If they are educated it stands to reason they could and would have read the quran themselves to see what it says and not rely on the un or undereducated that stands to reason are reliant on what others tell them it means. Just like other faiths. Checking your brain at the door and takeing at face value what someone behind a pulpit says.

you know, different from study of whatever text for whatever faith THEMSELVES.

educated or not - reading the quran tells you loud and clear the punishment for apostasy.

kids growing up only reading the quran have no choice but to stay muslim or fear death
adult muslims educated or not profess to be muslim so I would assume they believe in the punishment for apostasy.

regular reader of that text are you?

BB heard a news conference this morning on POTUS siriusXm channel, they gave the name of a website giving out free translated copies in both Arabic and the english translation with seperate context of passages. Just pay the shipping and handling Cant for the life of me remember what it was.

So I will ask one who may know where I can look for a trusted org that does this? I would really prefer to speak with a greater authority on this particular subject.


edit, found it. 9.95 S/H www.explorethequran.com

badbrains

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

mickeyrat said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

mickeyrat said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up.
Christianity is the most popular arguably
poor Christians
so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against

Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy?
Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?

I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.

Really?,
whether they are educated
all they know is the quran if they aren't
That is a weak answer
All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.

weak why? If they are educated it stands to reason they could and would have read the quran themselves to see what it says and not rely on the un or undereducated that stands to reason are reliant on what others tell them it means. Just like other faiths. Checking your brain at the door and takeing at face value what someone behind a pulpit says.

you know, different from study of whatever text for whatever faith THEMSELVES.

educated or not - reading the quran tells you loud and clear the punishment for apostasy.

kids growing up only reading the quran have no choice but to stay muslim or fear death
adult muslims educated or not profess to be muslim so I would assume they believe in the punishment for apostasy.

regular reader of that text are you?

BB heard a news conference this morning on POTUS siriusXm channel, they gave the name of a website giving out free translated copies in both Arabic and the english translation with seperate context of passages. Just pay the shipping and handling Cant for the life of me remember what it was.

So I will ask one who may know where I can look for a trusted org that does this? I would really prefer to speak with a greater authority on this particular subject.

For a copy of the Quran in English? Any mosque should have a copy and they would be more than happy to give you a copy. I think that's what you're asking. Let me know. I think I have a copy somewhere that's in English.

Halifax2TheMax

Can I get a Buddhist shout out? Can a Buddhist be POTUS?