Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
weak why? If they are educated it stands to reason they could and would have read the quran themselves to see what it says and not rely on the un or undereducated that stands to reason are reliant on what others tell them it means. Just like other faiths. Checking your brain at the door and takeing at face value what someone behind a pulpit says.
you know, different from study of whatever text for whatever faith THEMSELVES.
educated or not - reading the quran tells you loud and clear the punishment for apostasy.
kids growing up only reading the quran have no choice but to stay muslim or fear death adult muslims educated or not profess to be muslim so I would assume they believe in the punishment for apostasy.
regular reader of that text are you?
BB heard a news conference this morning on POTUS siriusXm channel, they gave the name of a website giving out free translated copies in both Arabic and the english translation with seperate context of passages. Just pay the shipping and handling Cant for the life of me remember what it was.
So I will ask one who may know where I can look for a trusted org that does this? I would really prefer to speak with a greater authority on this particular subject.
For a copy of the Quran in English? Any mosque should have a copy and they would be more than happy to give you a copy. I think that's what you're asking. Let me know. I think I have a copy somewhere that's in English.
yes. the one I was refering to was done by this guy.
The Muhammad Asad translation offered through CAIR's Share the Quran campaign is produced by the Book Foundation. This beautiful new edition designed by Ahmed Moustafa includes completely new typography, art and a complete transliteration of the Arabic text. Muhammad Asad's translation and commentary is widely considered among the best in the English language, renowned for its intellectual insight and frequent reference to classical commentaries such as Zamakhshari.
Muhammad Asad, Austrian-Polish convert to Islam, had profound knowledge of the Judeo-Christian tradition. Asad ranks highly among the select group of well-known 20th century converts to Islam who subsequently took up scholarship. After his conversion, he traveled widely in the Gulf region during the tumultuous 1930s and 1940s. He later settled in Pakistan in 1947, and was Pakistan's ambassador to the United Nations during the 1960s. His variety of experience, in the Gulf during its still unadulterated pre-WWII Bedouin lifestyle, to his presence in the high civilization of America in the 1960s, makes him a unique individual to understand both the environment the Quran originally flourished in, as well as its relevancy to modern times.
His translation uses expressions that a Western reader will find very familiar. Muhammad Asad states in the foreword of the book:
As regards the style of my translation, I have consciously avoided using unnecessary archaisms, which would only tend to obscure the meaning of the Quran to the contemporary reader. On the other hand, I did not see any necessity of rendering Quranic phrases into a deliberately "modern" idiom, which would conflict with the spirit of the Arabic original and jar upon any ear attuned to the solemnity inherent in the concept of the revelation.
...although it is impossible to 'reproduce' the Qur'an as such in any other language, it is none the less possible to render its message comprehensible to people who, like most Westerners, do not know Arabic...well enough to find their way through it unaided…And I am fully aware that my rendering does not and could not really 'do justice' to the Qur'an and the layers upon layers of its meaning: for, 'if all the sea were ink for my Sustainer's words, the sea would indeed be exhausted ere my Sustainer's words are exhausted.' (Qur'an 18:109).
Gai Eaton, a leading British Muslim thinker who wrote the foreword to this translation comments: "…the most helpful and instructive version of the Qur'an that we have in English. This remarkable man has done what he set out to do, and it may be doubted whether his achievement will ever be surpassed."
At 80, after 17 years of effort, he completed the work that had been his life's dream, and for which he felt all his life till then had been an apprenticeship: a translation and exegesis, or tafsir, of the Quran in English. He continued to serve Islam till his death in Spain at the age of 92 on February 23, 1992.
Good stuff
So now we are all to forget the coldsore called "terrorist ties" CAIR has? no, not good stuff at all
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
Oh so now I'm a hypocrite? Fuck out of here. You truly are a fucken troll. You get all excited when your posts generate any buzz. Pretty pathetic.
dude, people are trying to get you banned. why do you feed into their bullshit????????
You know what, you're right gimmie. It's like 2 people here want to silence me. And one actually thinks it's me who's flagging and locking threads.
Pretty sad to think people want me banned.
i don't know. why don't you just make the thread all about you and how you are being victimized because of your faith?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I don't believe that a person who practices a certain religion is necessarily obliged to adhere to all it's supposed pillars or teachings. I don't think it has to be all or nothing. For example, I'm sure there are many in Ireland who consider themselves Catholics but who still voted in favour of same-sex marriage. I respect their right to choose their religion and equally to choose how they practice it. It's certainly not for me to say what rules they have to follow or to call them hypocrites should they happen to disagree with a certain aspect of said religion.
Personally I'm an atheist but I understand why religion is important to people and I have no issue with those who wish to worship whatever god they choose, however they choose, as long as it in no way interferes with anyone else's freedoms to practice their own religion or equally to reject all religion.
So very simple, really.
Simple yes. It's like saying "Don't mind my coldsore, give me a kiss"
Not getting the comparison...
It's like saying look at me I am a beautiful, peaceful, loving person of (insert faith here) but never mind the ugly things I believe in though. It is like ordering a cheeseburger but telling them to hold the cheese.
Thanks for clarifying. That's not at all what I took from the post I quoted, though I get that we're all hypocritical to some degree, regardless of faith or lack thereof.
PJfan seems to have misinterpreted what I said, either willfully or simply carelessly. My whole point was that those who proclaim a certain faith do not necessarily believe in every single one of its teachings e.g. they may choose to take the good and positive aspects of their religion and reject those which others may find objectionable, such as the Catholic belief that same-sex relationships are wrong. Thus there can be Catholics who believe in the Catholic god but who do not strictly adhere to all the teachings of the Catholic church
I don't believe that a person who practices a certain religion is necessarily obliged to adhere to all it's supposed pillars or teachings. I don't think it has to be all or nothing. For example, I'm sure there are many in Ireland who consider themselves Catholics but who still voted in favour of same-sex marriage. I respect their right to choose their religion and equally to choose how they practice it. It's certainly not for me to say what rules they have to follow or to call them hypocrites should they happen to disagree with a certain aspect of said religion.
Personally I'm an atheist but I understand why religion is important to people and I have no issue with those who wish to worship whatever god they choose, however they choose, as long as it in no way interferes with anyone else's freedoms to practice their own religion or equally to reject all religion.
So very simple, really.
Simple yes. It's like saying "Don't mind my coldsore, give me a kiss"
Not getting the comparison...
It's like saying look at me I am a beautiful, peaceful, loving person of (insert faith here) but never mind the ugly things I believe in though. It is like ordering a cheeseburger but telling them to hold the cheese.
Thanks for clarifying. That's not at all what I took from the post I quoted, though I get that we're all hypocritical to some degree, regardless of faith or lack thereof.
PJfan seems to have misinterpreted what I said, either willfully or simply carelessly. My whole point was that those who proclaim a certain faith do not necessarily believe in every single one of its teachings e.g. they may choose to take the good and positive aspects of their religion and reject those which others may find objectionable, such as the Catholic belief that same-sex relationships are wrong. Thus there can be Catholics who believe in the Catholic god but who do not strictly adhere to all the teachings of the Catholic church
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
weak why? If they are educated it stands to reason they could and would have read the quran themselves to see what it says and not rely on the un or undereducated that stands to reason are reliant on what others tell them it means. Just like other faiths. Checking your brain at the door and takeing at face value what someone behind a pulpit says.
you know, different from study of whatever text for whatever faith THEMSELVES.
educated or not - reading the quran tells you loud and clear the punishment for apostasy.
kids growing up only reading the quran have no choice but to stay muslim or fear death adult muslims educated or not profess to be muslim so I would assume they believe in the punishment for apostasy.
regular reader of that text are you?
BB heard a news conference this morning on POTUS siriusXm channel, they gave the name of a website giving out free translated copies in both Arabic and the english translation with seperate context of passages. Just pay the shipping and handling Cant for the life of me remember what it was.
So I will ask one who may know where I can look for a trusted org that does this? I would really prefer to speak with a greater authority on this particular subject.
For a copy of the Quran in English? Any mosque should have a copy and they would be more than happy to give you a copy. I think that's what you're asking. Let me know. I think I have a copy somewhere that's in English.
yes. the one I was refering to was done by this guy.
The Muhammad Asad translation offered through CAIR's Share the Quran campaign is produced by the Book Foundation. This beautiful new edition designed by Ahmed Moustafa includes completely new typography, art and a complete transliteration of the Arabic text. Muhammad Asad's translation and commentary is widely considered among the best in the English language, renowned for its intellectual insight and frequent reference to classical commentaries such as Zamakhshari.
Muhammad Asad, Austrian-Polish convert to Islam, had profound knowledge of the Judeo-Christian tradition. Asad ranks highly among the select group of well-known 20th century converts to Islam who subsequently took up scholarship. After his conversion, he traveled widely in the Gulf region during the tumultuous 1930s and 1940s. He later settled in Pakistan in 1947, and was Pakistan's ambassador to the United Nations during the 1960s. His variety of experience, in the Gulf during its still unadulterated pre-WWII Bedouin lifestyle, to his presence in the high civilization of America in the 1960s, makes him a unique individual to understand both the environment the Quran originally flourished in, as well as its relevancy to modern times.
His translation uses expressions that a Western reader will find very familiar. Muhammad Asad states in the foreword of the book:
As regards the style of my translation, I have consciously avoided using unnecessary archaisms, which would only tend to obscure the meaning of the Quran to the contemporary reader. On the other hand, I did not see any necessity of rendering Quranic phrases into a deliberately "modern" idiom, which would conflict with the spirit of the Arabic original and jar upon any ear attuned to the solemnity inherent in the concept of the revelation.
...although it is impossible to 'reproduce' the Qur'an as such in any other language, it is none the less possible to render its message comprehensible to people who, like most Westerners, do not know Arabic...well enough to find their way through it unaided…And I am fully aware that my rendering does not and could not really 'do justice' to the Qur'an and the layers upon layers of its meaning: for, 'if all the sea were ink for my Sustainer's words, the sea would indeed be exhausted ere my Sustainer's words are exhausted.' (Qur'an 18:109).
Gai Eaton, a leading British Muslim thinker who wrote the foreword to this translation comments: "…the most helpful and instructive version of the Qur'an that we have in English. This remarkable man has done what he set out to do, and it may be doubted whether his achievement will ever be surpassed."
At 80, after 17 years of effort, he completed the work that had been his life's dream, and for which he felt all his life till then had been an apprenticeship: a translation and exegesis, or tafsir, of the Quran in English. He continued to serve Islam till his death in Spain at the age of 92 on February 23, 1992.
Good stuff
So now we are all to forget the coldsore called "terrorist ties" CAIR has? no, not good stuff at all
Article from 2010! Hahaha, whatever happened to the case? Prob nothing since you posted an article from 5 years ago.
The quran is how old? Started around Christian era 600?.... Yet still widely disseminated.
How many qurans were written? 1. change 1 word in it and the meaning of the passage is void. Did you know that in the Quran it says things about science that weren't discovered until the 20th century. Look I'm not trying to convince anyone to convert or think Islam is better than all the other religions because that would be lame. I know religions are fucked up. Every religion thinks they're the chosen ones. And what I say to that is,"why am I lucky to born Muslim if that's the case?" "Why is my catholic gf unlucky and was born catholic?" Get my drift?
I don't believe that a person who practices a certain religion is necessarily obliged to adhere to all it's supposed pillars or teachings. I don't think it has to be all or nothing. For example, I'm sure there are many in Ireland who consider themselves Catholics but who still voted in favour of same-sex marriage. I respect their right to choose their religion and equally to choose how they practice it. It's certainly not for me to say what rules they have to follow or to call them hypocrites should they happen to disagree with a certain aspect of said religion.
Personally I'm an atheist but I understand why religion is important to people and I have no issue with those who wish to worship whatever god they choose, however they choose, as long as it in no way interferes with anyone else's freedoms to practice their own religion or equally to reject all religion.
So very simple, really.
Simple yes. It's like saying "Don't mind my coldsore, give me a kiss"
Not getting the comparison...
It's like saying look at me I am a beautiful, peaceful, loving person of (insert faith here) but never mind the ugly things I believe in though. It is like ordering a cheeseburger but telling them to hold the cheese.
Thanks for clarifying. That's not at all what I took from the post I quoted, though I get that we're all hypocritical to some degree, regardless of faith or lack thereof.
PJfan seems to have misinterpreted what I said, either willfully or simply carelessly. My whole point was that those who proclaim a certain faith do not necessarily believe in every single one of its teachings e.g. they may choose to take the good and positive aspects of their religion and reject those which others may find objectionable, such as the Catholic belief that same-sex relationships are wrong. Thus there can be Catholics who believe in the Catholic god but who do not strictly adhere to all the teachings of the Catholic church
But the church is based on foundation of a god.
Yes, nothing I said disputes that. I believe that people are free to choose how they worship their god, however, as the teachings of each god are generally open to interpretation. Thus you can can be a Catholic and worship the Catholic god without slavishly following the priests interpretation of the Bible
I don't believe that a person who practices a certain religion is necessarily obliged to adhere to all it's supposed pillars or teachings. I don't think it has to be all or nothing. For example, I'm sure there are many in Ireland who consider themselves Catholics but who still voted in favour of same-sex marriage. I respect their right to choose their religion and equally to choose how they practice it. It's certainly not for me to say what rules they have to follow or to call them hypocrites should they happen to disagree with a certain aspect of said religion.
Personally I'm an atheist but I understand why religion is important to people and I have no issue with those who wish to worship whatever god they choose, however they choose, as long as it in no way interferes with anyone else's freedoms to practice their own religion or equally to reject all religion.
So very simple, really.
Simple yes. It's like saying "Don't mind my coldsore, give me a kiss"
Not getting the comparison...
It's like saying look at me I am a beautiful, peaceful, loving person of (insert faith here) but never mind the ugly things I believe in though. It is like ordering a cheeseburger but telling them to hold the cheese.
Thanks for clarifying. That's not at all what I took from the post I quoted, though I get that we're all hypocritical to some degree, regardless of faith or lack thereof.
PJfan seems to have misinterpreted what I said, either willfully or simply carelessly. My whole point was that those who proclaim a certain faith do not necessarily believe in every single one of its teachings e.g. they may choose to take the good and positive aspects of their religion and reject those which others may find objectionable, such as the Catholic belief that same-sex relationships are wrong. Thus there can be Catholics who believe in the Catholic god but who do not strictly adhere to all the teachings of the Catholic church
But the church is based on foundation of a god.
Yes, nothing I said disputes that. I believe that people are free to choose how they worship their god, however, as the teachings of each god are generally open to interpretation. Thus you can can be a Catholic and worship the Catholic god without slavishly following the priests interpretation of the Bible
I don't believe that a person who practices a certain religion is necessarily obliged to adhere to all it's supposed pillars or teachings. I don't think it has to be all or nothing. For example, I'm sure there are many in Ireland who consider themselves Catholics but who still voted in favour of same-sex marriage. I respect their right to choose their religion and equally to choose how they practice it. It's certainly not for me to say what rules they have to follow or to call them hypocrites should they happen to disagree with a certain aspect of said religion.
Personally I'm an atheist but I understand why religion is important to people and I have no issue with those who wish to worship whatever god they choose, however they choose, as long as it in no way interferes with anyone else's freedoms to practice their own religion or equally to reject all religion.
Atheists such as some who frequent here and elsewhere are FAR worse than any believer imo.
That's as assinine as Carsons statement. Those who choose not to believe,are choosing their own path.who are we to mock.To be honest some of the points they bring up are spot on.
Fundamentalist atheists are just as crazy as fundamentalist (insert any religion here).
I couldn't give a shit what religion my leader may belong to.....as long as they leave the crazy at home and make rational decisions based on the principle of not being an asshole.
Atheists such as some who frequent here and elsewhere are FAR worse than any believer imo.
That's as assinine as Carsons statement. Those who choose not to believe,are choosing their own path.who are we to mock.To be honest some of the points they bring up are spot on.
No, the more militant ones do nothing to help their cause in my view. Note I said some. Not all. Not most, not many but just some.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Started around Christian era 600?....
Yet still widely disseminated.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
What's written is written.
Those who choose not to believe,are choosing their own path.who are we to mock.To be honest some of the points they bring up are spot on.
I couldn't give a shit what religion my leader may belong to.....as long as they leave the crazy at home and make rational decisions based on the principle of not being an asshole.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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