That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
All religions are highly hypocritical, and yet there are many adherents.
Aren't you usually the thread topic police?
Do you think Muslims, Christians, Deists, Hindus, etc should be excluded from the highest political offices?
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
And just so you know, it's in every religion and its fucken WRONG. Here, answered by a MUSLIM. For the second fucken time
And yes, you are right. I did ask you before but in a different thread in a different discussion. I asked you again for the purpose of backing up my claim that that question should be asked to anyone especially a muslim running for presidency.
Two threads about muslims about to be closed. Wonder why?
Please tell us why?
questioning the muslim faith is a no go for some so they find alternate ways to close the discussion. BB - do you believe in the punishment for Apostasy?
So let me get this straight. You actually think we or I try to close threads about Muslims? Wow
I'm not sure. But something fishy goes down when a random person drops in to say hello in certain threads.
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
All religions are highly hypocritical, and yet there are many adherents.
Aren't you usually the thread topic police?
Do you think Muslims, Christians, Deists, Hindus, etc should be excluded from the highest political offices?
If they believe in a despicable part of their religious beliefs yes.
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
weak why? If they are educated it stands to reason they could and would have read the quran themselves to see what it says and not rely on the un or undereducated that stands to reason are reliant on what others tell them it means. Just like other faiths. Checking your brain at the door and takeing at face value what someone behind a pulpit says.
you know, different from study of whatever text for whatever faith THEMSELVES.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
All religions are highly hypocritical, and yet there are many adherents.
Aren't you usually the thread topic police?
Do you think Muslims, Christians, Deists, Hindus, etc should be excluded from the highest political offices?
He can confine that answer to Canada. I frankly dont give a shit what a citizen of another country thinks as it relates to what a president shoudl or shouldn't be.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I don't believe that a person who practices a certain religion is necessarily obliged to adhere to all it's supposed pillars or teachings. I don't think it has to be all or nothing. For example, I'm sure there are many in Ireland who consider themselves Catholics but who still voted in favour of same-sex marriage. I respect their right to choose their religion and equally to choose how they practice it. It's certainly not for me to say what rules they have to follow or to call them hypocrites should they happen to disagree with a certain aspect of said religion.
Personally I'm an atheist but I understand why religion is important to people and I have no issue with those who wish to worship whatever god they choose, however they choose, as long as it in no way interferes with anyone else's freedoms to practice their own religion or equally to reject all religion.
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
weak why? If they are educated it stands to reason they could and would have read the quran themselves to see what it says and not rely on the un or undereducated that stands to reason are reliant on what others tell them it means. Just like other faiths. Checking your brain at the door and takeing at face value what someone behind a pulpit says.
you know, different from study of whatever text for whatever faith THEMSELVES.
educated or not - reading the quran tells you loud and clear the punishment for apostasy.
kids growing up only reading the quran have no choice but to stay muslim or fear death adult muslims educated or not profess to be muslim so I would assume they believe in the punishment for apostasy.
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
weak why? If they are educated it stands to reason they could and would have read the quran themselves to see what it says and not rely on the un or undereducated that stands to reason are reliant on what others tell them it means. Just like other faiths. Checking your brain at the door and takeing at face value what someone behind a pulpit says.
you know, different from study of whatever text for whatever faith THEMSELVES.
educated or not - reading the quran tells you loud and clear the punishment for apostasy.
kids growing up only reading the quran have no choice but to stay muslim or fear death adult muslims educated or not profess to be muslim so I would assume they believe in the punishment for apostasy.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
weak why? If they are educated it stands to reason they could and would have read the quran themselves to see what it says and not rely on the un or undereducated that stands to reason are reliant on what others tell them it means. Just like other faiths. Checking your brain at the door and takeing at face value what someone behind a pulpit says.
you know, different from study of whatever text for whatever faith THEMSELVES.
educated or not - reading the quran tells you loud and clear the punishment for apostasy.
kids growing up only reading the quran have no choice but to stay muslim or fear death adult muslims educated or not profess to be muslim so I would assume they believe in the punishment for apostasy.
I don't believe that a person who practices a certain religion is necessarily obliged to adhere to all it's supposed pillars or teachings. I don't think it has to be all or nothing. For example, I'm sure there are many in Ireland who consider themselves Catholics but who still voted in favour of same-sex marriage. I respect their right to choose their religion and equally to choose how they practice it. It's certainly not for me to say what rules they have to follow or to call them hypocrites should they happen to disagree with a certain aspect of said religion.
Personally I'm an atheist but I understand why religion is important to people and I have no issue with those who wish to worship whatever god they choose, however they choose, as long as it in no way interferes with anyone else's freedoms to practice their own religion or equally to reject all religion.
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
Oh so now I'm a hypocrite? Fuck out of here. You truly are a fucken troll. You get all excited when your posts generate any buzz. Pretty pathetic.
I don't believe that a person who practices a certain religion is necessarily obliged to adhere to all it's supposed pillars or teachings. I don't think it has to be all or nothing. For example, I'm sure there are many in Ireland who consider themselves Catholics but who still voted in favour of same-sex marriage. I respect their right to choose their religion and equally to choose how they practice it. It's certainly not for me to say what rules they have to follow or to call them hypocrites should they happen to disagree with a certain aspect of said religion.
Personally I'm an atheist but I understand why religion is important to people and I have no issue with those who wish to worship whatever god they choose, however they choose, as long as it in no way interferes with anyone else's freedoms to practice their own religion or equally to reject all religion.
So very simple, really.
Simple yes. It's like saying "Don't mind my coldsore, give me a kiss"
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I don't believe that a person who practices a certain religion is necessarily obliged to adhere to all it's supposed pillars or teachings. I don't think it has to be all or nothing. For example, I'm sure there are many in Ireland who consider themselves Catholics but who still voted in favour of same-sex marriage. I respect their right to choose their religion and equally to choose how they practice it. It's certainly not for me to say what rules they have to follow or to call them hypocrites should they happen to disagree with a certain aspect of said religion.
Personally I'm an atheist but I understand why religion is important to people and I have no issue with those who wish to worship whatever god they choose, however they choose, as long as it in no way interferes with anyone else's freedoms to practice their own religion or equally to reject all religion.
So very simple, really.
Simple yes. It's like saying "Don't mind my coldsore, give me a kiss"
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
weak why? If they are educated it stands to reason they could and would have read the quran themselves to see what it says and not rely on the un or undereducated that stands to reason are reliant on what others tell them it means. Just like other faiths. Checking your brain at the door and takeing at face value what someone behind a pulpit says.
you know, different from study of whatever text for whatever faith THEMSELVES.
educated or not - reading the quran tells you loud and clear the punishment for apostasy.
kids growing up only reading the quran have no choice but to stay muslim or fear death adult muslims educated or not profess to be muslim so I would assume they believe in the punishment for apostasy.
regular reader of that text are you?
BB heard a news conference this morning on POTUS siriusXm channel, they gave the name of a website giving out free translated copies in both Arabic and the english translation with seperate context of passages. Just pay the shipping and handling Cant for the life of me remember what it was.
So I will ask one who may know where I can look for a trusted org that does this? I would really prefer to speak with a greater authority on this particular subject.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
weak why? If they are educated it stands to reason they could and would have read the quran themselves to see what it says and not rely on the un or undereducated that stands to reason are reliant on what others tell them it means. Just like other faiths. Checking your brain at the door and takeing at face value what someone behind a pulpit says.
you know, different from study of whatever text for whatever faith THEMSELVES.
educated or not - reading the quran tells you loud and clear the punishment for apostasy.
kids growing up only reading the quran have no choice but to stay muslim or fear death adult muslims educated or not profess to be muslim so I would assume they believe in the punishment for apostasy.
regular reader of that text are you?
BB heard a news conference this morning on POTUS siriusXm channel, they gave the name of a website giving out free translated copies in both Arabic and the english translation with seperate context of passages. Just pay the shipping and handling Cant for the life of me remember what it was.
So I will ask one who may know where I can look for a trusted org that does this? I would really prefer to speak with a greater authority on this particular subject.
For a copy of the Quran in English? Any mosque should have a copy and they would be more than happy to give you a copy. I think that's what you're asking. Let me know. I think I have a copy somewhere that's in English.
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
weak why? If they are educated it stands to reason they could and would have read the quran themselves to see what it says and not rely on the un or undereducated that stands to reason are reliant on what others tell them it means. Just like other faiths. Checking your brain at the door and takeing at face value what someone behind a pulpit says.
you know, different from study of whatever text for whatever faith THEMSELVES.
educated or not - reading the quran tells you loud and clear the punishment for apostasy.
kids growing up only reading the quran have no choice but to stay muslim or fear death adult muslims educated or not profess to be muslim so I would assume they believe in the punishment for apostasy.
regular reader of that text are you?
BB heard a news conference this morning on POTUS siriusXm channel, they gave the name of a website giving out free translated copies in both Arabic and the english translation with seperate context of passages. Just pay the shipping and handling Cant for the life of me remember what it was.
So I will ask one who may know where I can look for a trusted org that does this? I would really prefer to speak with a greater authority on this particular subject.
For a copy of the Quran in English? Any mosque should have a copy and they would be more than happy to give you a copy. I think that's what you're asking. Let me know. I think I have a copy somewhere that's in English.
yes. the one I was refering to was done by this guy.
The Muhammad Asad translation offered through CAIR's Share the Quran campaign is produced by the Book Foundation. This beautiful new edition designed by Ahmed Moustafa includes completely new typography, art and a complete transliteration of the Arabic text. Muhammad Asad's translation and commentary is widely considered among the best in the English language, renowned for its intellectual insight and frequent reference to classical commentaries such as Zamakhshari.
Muhammad Asad, Austrian-Polish convert to Islam, had profound knowledge of the Judeo-Christian tradition. Asad ranks highly among the select group of well-known 20th century converts to Islam who subsequently took up scholarship. After his conversion, he traveled widely in the Gulf region during the tumultuous 1930s and 1940s. He later settled in Pakistan in 1947, and was Pakistan's ambassador to the United Nations during the 1960s. His variety of experience, in the Gulf during its still unadulterated pre-WWII Bedouin lifestyle, to his presence in the high civilization of America in the 1960s, makes him a unique individual to understand both the environment the Quran originally flourished in, as well as its relevancy to modern times.
His translation uses expressions that a Western reader will find very familiar. Muhammad Asad states in the foreword of the book:
As regards the style of my translation, I have consciously avoided using unnecessary archaisms, which would only tend to obscure the meaning of the Quran to the contemporary reader. On the other hand, I did not see any necessity of rendering Quranic phrases into a deliberately "modern" idiom, which would conflict with the spirit of the Arabic original and jar upon any ear attuned to the solemnity inherent in the concept of the revelation.
...although it is impossible to 'reproduce' the Qur'an as such in any other language, it is none the less possible to render its message comprehensible to people who, like most Westerners, do not know Arabic...well enough to find their way through it unaided…And I am fully aware that my rendering does not and could not really 'do justice' to the Qur'an and the layers upon layers of its meaning: for, 'if all the sea were ink for my Sustainer's words, the sea would indeed be exhausted ere my Sustainer's words are exhausted.' (Qur'an 18:109).
Gai Eaton, a leading British Muslim thinker who wrote the foreword to this translation comments: "…the most helpful and instructive version of the Qur'an that we have in English. This remarkable man has done what he set out to do, and it may be doubted whether his achievement will ever be surpassed."
At 80, after 17 years of effort, he completed the work that had been his life's dream, and for which he felt all his life till then had been an apprenticeship: a translation and exegesis, or tafsir, of the Quran in English. He continued to serve Islam till his death in Spain at the age of 92 on February 23, 1992.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I don't believe that a person who practices a certain religion is necessarily obliged to adhere to all it's supposed pillars or teachings. I don't think it has to be all or nothing. For example, I'm sure there are many in Ireland who consider themselves Catholics but who still voted in favour of same-sex marriage. I respect their right to choose their religion and equally to choose how they practice it. It's certainly not for me to say what rules they have to follow or to call them hypocrites should they happen to disagree with a certain aspect of said religion.
Personally I'm an atheist but I understand why religion is important to people and I have no issue with those who wish to worship whatever god they choose, however they choose, as long as it in no way interferes with anyone else's freedoms to practice their own religion or equally to reject all religion.
So very simple, really.
Simple yes. It's like saying "Don't mind my coldsore, give me a kiss"
Not getting the comparison...
It's like saying look at me I am a beautiful, peaceful, loving person of (insert faith here) but never mind the ugly things I believe in though. It is like ordering a cheeseburger but telling them to hold the cheese.
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
weak why? If they are educated it stands to reason they could and would have read the quran themselves to see what it says and not rely on the un or undereducated that stands to reason are reliant on what others tell them it means. Just like other faiths. Checking your brain at the door and takeing at face value what someone behind a pulpit says.
you know, different from study of whatever text for whatever faith THEMSELVES.
educated or not - reading the quran tells you loud and clear the punishment for apostasy.
kids growing up only reading the quran have no choice but to stay muslim or fear death adult muslims educated or not profess to be muslim so I would assume they believe in the punishment for apostasy.
regular reader of that text are you?
BB heard a news conference this morning on POTUS siriusXm channel, they gave the name of a website giving out free translated copies in both Arabic and the english translation with seperate context of passages. Just pay the shipping and handling Cant for the life of me remember what it was.
So I will ask one who may know where I can look for a trusted org that does this? I would really prefer to speak with a greater authority on this particular subject.
For a copy of the Quran in English? Any mosque should have a copy and they would be more than happy to give you a copy. I think that's what you're asking. Let me know. I think I have a copy somewhere that's in English.
yes. the one I was refering to was done by this guy.
The Muhammad Asad translation offered through CAIR's Share the Quran campaign is produced by the Book Foundation. This beautiful new edition designed by Ahmed Moustafa includes completely new typography, art and a complete transliteration of the Arabic text. Muhammad Asad's translation and commentary is widely considered among the best in the English language, renowned for its intellectual insight and frequent reference to classical commentaries such as Zamakhshari.
Muhammad Asad, Austrian-Polish convert to Islam, had profound knowledge of the Judeo-Christian tradition. Asad ranks highly among the select group of well-known 20th century converts to Islam who subsequently took up scholarship. After his conversion, he traveled widely in the Gulf region during the tumultuous 1930s and 1940s. He later settled in Pakistan in 1947, and was Pakistan's ambassador to the United Nations during the 1960s. His variety of experience, in the Gulf during its still unadulterated pre-WWII Bedouin lifestyle, to his presence in the high civilization of America in the 1960s, makes him a unique individual to understand both the environment the Quran originally flourished in, as well as its relevancy to modern times.
His translation uses expressions that a Western reader will find very familiar. Muhammad Asad states in the foreword of the book:
As regards the style of my translation, I have consciously avoided using unnecessary archaisms, which would only tend to obscure the meaning of the Quran to the contemporary reader. On the other hand, I did not see any necessity of rendering Quranic phrases into a deliberately "modern" idiom, which would conflict with the spirit of the Arabic original and jar upon any ear attuned to the solemnity inherent in the concept of the revelation.
...although it is impossible to 'reproduce' the Qur'an as such in any other language, it is none the less possible to render its message comprehensible to people who, like most Westerners, do not know Arabic...well enough to find their way through it unaided…And I am fully aware that my rendering does not and could not really 'do justice' to the Qur'an and the layers upon layers of its meaning: for, 'if all the sea were ink for my Sustainer's words, the sea would indeed be exhausted ere my Sustainer's words are exhausted.' (Qur'an 18:109).
Gai Eaton, a leading British Muslim thinker who wrote the foreword to this translation comments: "…the most helpful and instructive version of the Qur'an that we have in English. This remarkable man has done what he set out to do, and it may be doubted whether his achievement will ever be surpassed."
At 80, after 17 years of effort, he completed the work that had been his life's dream, and for which he felt all his life till then had been an apprenticeship: a translation and exegesis, or tafsir, of the Quran in English. He continued to serve Islam till his death in Spain at the age of 92 on February 23, 1992.
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
weak why? If they are educated it stands to reason they could and would have read the quran themselves to see what it says and not rely on the un or undereducated that stands to reason are reliant on what others tell them it means. Just like other faiths. Checking your brain at the door and takeing at face value what someone behind a pulpit says.
you know, different from study of whatever text for whatever faith THEMSELVES.
educated or not - reading the quran tells you loud and clear the punishment for apostasy.
kids growing up only reading the quran have no choice but to stay muslim or fear death adult muslims educated or not profess to be muslim so I would assume they believe in the punishment for apostasy.
regular reader of that text are you?
BB heard a news conference this morning on POTUS siriusXm channel, they gave the name of a website giving out free translated copies in both Arabic and the english translation with seperate context of passages. Just pay the shipping and handling Cant for the life of me remember what it was.
So I will ask one who may know where I can look for a trusted org that does this? I would really prefer to speak with a greater authority on this particular subject.
For a copy of the Quran in English? Any mosque should have a copy and they would be more than happy to give you a copy. I think that's what you're asking. Let me know. I think I have a copy somewhere that's in English.
yes. the one I was refering to was done by this guy.
The Muhammad Asad translation offered through CAIR's Share the Quran campaign is produced by the Book Foundation. This beautiful new edition designed by Ahmed Moustafa includes completely new typography, art and a complete transliteration of the Arabic text. Muhammad Asad's translation and commentary is widely considered among the best in the English language, renowned for its intellectual insight and frequent reference to classical commentaries such as Zamakhshari.
Muhammad Asad, Austrian-Polish convert to Islam, had profound knowledge of the Judeo-Christian tradition. Asad ranks highly among the select group of well-known 20th century converts to Islam who subsequently took up scholarship. After his conversion, he traveled widely in the Gulf region during the tumultuous 1930s and 1940s. He later settled in Pakistan in 1947, and was Pakistan's ambassador to the United Nations during the 1960s. His variety of experience, in the Gulf during its still unadulterated pre-WWII Bedouin lifestyle, to his presence in the high civilization of America in the 1960s, makes him a unique individual to understand both the environment the Quran originally flourished in, as well as its relevancy to modern times.
His translation uses expressions that a Western reader will find very familiar. Muhammad Asad states in the foreword of the book:
As regards the style of my translation, I have consciously avoided using unnecessary archaisms, which would only tend to obscure the meaning of the Quran to the contemporary reader. On the other hand, I did not see any necessity of rendering Quranic phrases into a deliberately "modern" idiom, which would conflict with the spirit of the Arabic original and jar upon any ear attuned to the solemnity inherent in the concept of the revelation.
...although it is impossible to 'reproduce' the Qur'an as such in any other language, it is none the less possible to render its message comprehensible to people who, like most Westerners, do not know Arabic...well enough to find their way through it unaided…And I am fully aware that my rendering does not and could not really 'do justice' to the Qur'an and the layers upon layers of its meaning: for, 'if all the sea were ink for my Sustainer's words, the sea would indeed be exhausted ere my Sustainer's words are exhausted.' (Qur'an 18:109).
Gai Eaton, a leading British Muslim thinker who wrote the foreword to this translation comments: "…the most helpful and instructive version of the Qur'an that we have in English. This remarkable man has done what he set out to do, and it may be doubted whether his achievement will ever be surpassed."
At 80, after 17 years of effort, he completed the work that had been his life's dream, and for which he felt all his life till then had been an apprenticeship: a translation and exegesis, or tafsir, of the Quran in English. He continued to serve Islam till his death in Spain at the age of 92 on February 23, 1992.
Good stuff
So now we are all to forget the coldsore called "terrorist ties" CAIR has? no, not good stuff at all
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
weak why? If they are educated it stands to reason they could and would have read the quran themselves to see what it says and not rely on the un or undereducated that stands to reason are reliant on what others tell them it means. Just like other faiths. Checking your brain at the door and takeing at face value what someone behind a pulpit says.
you know, different from study of whatever text for whatever faith THEMSELVES.
educated or not - reading the quran tells you loud and clear the punishment for apostasy.
kids growing up only reading the quran have no choice but to stay muslim or fear death adult muslims educated or not profess to be muslim so I would assume they believe in the punishment for apostasy.
regular reader of that text are you?
BB heard a news conference this morning on POTUS siriusXm channel, they gave the name of a website giving out free translated copies in both Arabic and the english translation with seperate context of passages. Just pay the shipping and handling Cant for the life of me remember what it was.
So I will ask one who may know where I can look for a trusted org that does this? I would really prefer to speak with a greater authority on this particular subject.
For a copy of the Quran in English? Any mosque should have a copy and they would be more than happy to give you a copy. I think that's what you're asking. Let me know. I think I have a copy somewhere that's in English.
yes. the one I was refering to was done by this guy.
The Muhammad Asad translation offered through CAIR's Share the Quran campaign is produced by the Book Foundation. This beautiful new edition designed by Ahmed Moustafa includes completely new typography, art and a complete transliteration of the Arabic text. Muhammad Asad's translation and commentary is widely considered among the best in the English language, renowned for its intellectual insight and frequent reference to classical commentaries such as Zamakhshari.
Muhammad Asad, Austrian-Polish convert to Islam, had profound knowledge of the Judeo-Christian tradition. Asad ranks highly among the select group of well-known 20th century converts to Islam who subsequently took up scholarship. After his conversion, he traveled widely in the Gulf region during the tumultuous 1930s and 1940s. He later settled in Pakistan in 1947, and was Pakistan's ambassador to the United Nations during the 1960s. His variety of experience, in the Gulf during its still unadulterated pre-WWII Bedouin lifestyle, to his presence in the high civilization of America in the 1960s, makes him a unique individual to understand both the environment the Quran originally flourished in, as well as its relevancy to modern times.
His translation uses expressions that a Western reader will find very familiar. Muhammad Asad states in the foreword of the book:
As regards the style of my translation, I have consciously avoided using unnecessary archaisms, which would only tend to obscure the meaning of the Quran to the contemporary reader. On the other hand, I did not see any necessity of rendering Quranic phrases into a deliberately "modern" idiom, which would conflict with the spirit of the Arabic original and jar upon any ear attuned to the solemnity inherent in the concept of the revelation.
...although it is impossible to 'reproduce' the Qur'an as such in any other language, it is none the less possible to render its message comprehensible to people who, like most Westerners, do not know Arabic...well enough to find their way through it unaided…And I am fully aware that my rendering does not and could not really 'do justice' to the Qur'an and the layers upon layers of its meaning: for, 'if all the sea were ink for my Sustainer's words, the sea would indeed be exhausted ere my Sustainer's words are exhausted.' (Qur'an 18:109).
Gai Eaton, a leading British Muslim thinker who wrote the foreword to this translation comments: "…the most helpful and instructive version of the Qur'an that we have in English. This remarkable man has done what he set out to do, and it may be doubted whether his achievement will ever be surpassed."
At 80, after 17 years of effort, he completed the work that had been his life's dream, and for which he felt all his life till then had been an apprenticeship: a translation and exegesis, or tafsir, of the Quran in English. He continued to serve Islam till his death in Spain at the age of 92 on February 23, 1992.
Good stuff
So now we are all to forget the coldsore called "terrorist ties" CAIR has? no, not good stuff at all
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I don't believe that a person who practices a certain religion is necessarily obliged to adhere to all it's supposed pillars or teachings. I don't think it has to be all or nothing. For example, I'm sure there are many in Ireland who consider themselves Catholics but who still voted in favour of same-sex marriage. I respect their right to choose their religion and equally to choose how they practice it. It's certainly not for me to say what rules they have to follow or to call them hypocrites should they happen to disagree with a certain aspect of said religion.
Personally I'm an atheist but I understand why religion is important to people and I have no issue with those who wish to worship whatever god they choose, however they choose, as long as it in no way interferes with anyone else's freedoms to practice their own religion or equally to reject all religion.
So very simple, really.
Simple yes. It's like saying "Don't mind my coldsore, give me a kiss"
Not getting the comparison...
It's like saying look at me I am a beautiful, peaceful, loving person of (insert faith here) but never mind the ugly things I believe in though. It is like ordering a cheeseburger but telling them to hold the cheese.
Thanks for clarifying. That's not at all what I took from the post I quoted, though I get that we're all hypocritical to some degree, regardless of faith or lack thereof.
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
Oh so now I'm a hypocrite? Fuck out of here. You truly are a fucken troll. You get all excited when your posts generate any buzz. Pretty pathetic.
dude, people are trying to get you banned. why do you feed into their bullshit????????
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
weak why? If they are educated it stands to reason they could and would have read the quran themselves to see what it says and not rely on the un or undereducated that stands to reason are reliant on what others tell them it means. Just like other faiths. Checking your brain at the door and takeing at face value what someone behind a pulpit says.
you know, different from study of whatever text for whatever faith THEMSELVES.
educated or not - reading the quran tells you loud and clear the punishment for apostasy.
kids growing up only reading the quran have no choice but to stay muslim or fear death adult muslims educated or not profess to be muslim so I would assume they believe in the punishment for apostasy.
regular reader of that text are you?
BB heard a news conference this morning on POTUS siriusXm channel, they gave the name of a website giving out free translated copies in both Arabic and the english translation with seperate context of passages. Just pay the shipping and handling Cant for the life of me remember what it was.
So I will ask one who may know where I can look for a trusted org that does this? I would really prefer to speak with a greater authority on this particular subject.
For a copy of the Quran in English? Any mosque should have a copy and they would be more than happy to give you a copy. I think that's what you're asking. Let me know. I think I have a copy somewhere that's in English.
yes. the one I was refering to was done by this guy.
The Muhammad Asad translation offered through CAIR's Share the Quran campaign is produced by the Book Foundation. This beautiful new edition designed by Ahmed Moustafa includes completely new typography, art and a complete transliteration of the Arabic text. Muhammad Asad's translation and commentary is widely considered among the best in the English language, renowned for its intellectual insight and frequent reference to classical commentaries such as Zamakhshari.
Muhammad Asad, Austrian-Polish convert to Islam, had profound knowledge of the Judeo-Christian tradition. Asad ranks highly among the select group of well-known 20th century converts to Islam who subsequently took up scholarship. After his conversion, he traveled widely in the Gulf region during the tumultuous 1930s and 1940s. He later settled in Pakistan in 1947, and was Pakistan's ambassador to the United Nations during the 1960s. His variety of experience, in the Gulf during its still unadulterated pre-WWII Bedouin lifestyle, to his presence in the high civilization of America in the 1960s, makes him a unique individual to understand both the environment the Quran originally flourished in, as well as its relevancy to modern times.
His translation uses expressions that a Western reader will find very familiar. Muhammad Asad states in the foreword of the book:
As regards the style of my translation, I have consciously avoided using unnecessary archaisms, which would only tend to obscure the meaning of the Quran to the contemporary reader. On the other hand, I did not see any necessity of rendering Quranic phrases into a deliberately "modern" idiom, which would conflict with the spirit of the Arabic original and jar upon any ear attuned to the solemnity inherent in the concept of the revelation.
...although it is impossible to 'reproduce' the Qur'an as such in any other language, it is none the less possible to render its message comprehensible to people who, like most Westerners, do not know Arabic...well enough to find their way through it unaided…And I am fully aware that my rendering does not and could not really 'do justice' to the Qur'an and the layers upon layers of its meaning: for, 'if all the sea were ink for my Sustainer's words, the sea would indeed be exhausted ere my Sustainer's words are exhausted.' (Qur'an 18:109).
Gai Eaton, a leading British Muslim thinker who wrote the foreword to this translation comments: "…the most helpful and instructive version of the Qur'an that we have in English. This remarkable man has done what he set out to do, and it may be doubted whether his achievement will ever be surpassed."
At 80, after 17 years of effort, he completed the work that had been his life's dream, and for which he felt all his life till then had been an apprenticeship: a translation and exegesis, or tafsir, of the Quran in English. He continued to serve Islam till his death in Spain at the age of 92 on February 23, 1992.
Good stuff
So now we are all to forget the coldsore called "terrorist ties" CAIR has? no, not good stuff at all
That's why I constantly say all religions are fucked up. Christianity is the most popular arguably poor Christians so of course any new religion that gains momentum is going to be discriminated against
Again - would someone please post what they think about the punishment for apostasy? Does it alter your perception of a person who is muslim?
I would tend to think that those in the west that practice are against it. would vary around the rest o fthe world depending on population and age of the demographics, whether they are educated etc.
Really?, whether they are educated all they know is the quran if they aren't That is a weak answer All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
Oh so now I'm a hypocrite? Fuck out of here. You truly are a fucken troll. You get all excited when your posts generate any buzz. Pretty pathetic.
dude, people are trying to get you banned. why do you feed into their bullshit????????
You know what, you're right gimmie. It's like 2 people here want to silence me. And one actually thinks it's me who's flagging and locking threads.
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whether they are educated
all they know is the quran if they aren't
That is a weak answer
All muslims know the punishment for apostasy and believe in it and if they don't they are a hypocrite.
Aren't you usually the thread topic police?
Do you think Muslims, Christians, Deists, Hindus, etc should be excluded from the highest political offices?
I asked you again for the purpose of backing up my claim that that question should be asked to anyone especially a muslim running for presidency.
you know, different from study of whatever text for whatever faith THEMSELVES.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Personally I'm an atheist but I understand why religion is important to people and I have no issue with those who wish to worship whatever god they choose, however they choose, as long as it in no way interferes with anyone else's freedoms to practice their own religion or equally to reject all religion.
kids growing up only reading the quran have no choice but to stay muslim or fear death
adult muslims educated or not profess to be muslim so I would assume they believe in the punishment for apostasy.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
It's like saying "Don't mind my coldsore, give me a kiss"
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
So I will ask one who may know where I can look for a trusted org that does this? I would really prefer to speak with a greater authority on this particular subject.
edit, found it. 9.95 S/H www.explorethequran.com
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
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The Muhammad Asad translation offered through CAIR's Share the Quran campaign is produced by the Book Foundation. This beautiful new edition designed by Ahmed Moustafa includes completely new typography, art and a complete transliteration of the Arabic text. Muhammad Asad's translation and commentary is widely considered among the best in the English language, renowned for its intellectual insight and frequent reference to classical commentaries such as Zamakhshari.
Muhammad Asad, Austrian-Polish convert to Islam, had profound knowledge of the Judeo-Christian tradition. Asad ranks highly among the select group of well-known 20th century converts to Islam who subsequently took up scholarship. After his conversion, he traveled widely in the Gulf region during the tumultuous 1930s and 1940s. He later settled in Pakistan in 1947, and was Pakistan's ambassador to the United Nations during the 1960s. His variety of experience, in the Gulf during its still unadulterated pre-WWII Bedouin lifestyle, to his presence in the high civilization of America in the 1960s, makes him a unique individual to understand both the environment the Quran originally flourished in, as well as its relevancy to modern times.
His translation uses expressions that a Western reader will find very familiar. Muhammad Asad states in the foreword of the book:
As regards the style of my translation, I have consciously avoided using unnecessary archaisms, which would only tend to obscure the meaning of the Quran to the contemporary reader. On the other hand, I did not see any necessity of rendering Quranic phrases into a deliberately "modern" idiom, which would conflict with the spirit of the Arabic original and jar upon any ear attuned to the solemnity inherent in the concept of the revelation.
...although it is impossible to 'reproduce' the Qur'an as such in any other language, it is none the less possible to render its message comprehensible to people who, like most Westerners, do not know Arabic...well enough to find their way through it unaided…And I am fully aware that my rendering does not and could not really 'do justice' to the Qur'an and the layers upon layers of its meaning: for, 'if all the sea were ink for my Sustainer's words, the sea would indeed be exhausted ere my Sustainer's words are exhausted.' (Qur'an 18:109).
Gai Eaton, a leading British Muslim thinker who wrote the foreword to this translation comments: "…the most helpful and instructive version of the Qur'an that we have in English. This remarkable man has done what he set out to do, and it may be doubted whether his achievement will ever be surpassed."
At 80, after 17 years of effort, he completed the work that had been his life's dream, and for which he felt all his life till then had been an apprenticeship: a translation and exegesis, or tafsir, of the Quran in English. He continued to serve Islam till his death in Spain at the age of 92 on February 23, 1992.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
but never mind the ugly things I believe in though.
It is like ordering a cheeseburger but telling them to hold the cheese.
no, not good stuff at all
http://www.redstate.com/diary/jeffdunetz/2010/03/13/fbi-reaffirms-cairs-terrorist-ties/
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
can't be any worse than some of the christian ones we have had.
i would prefer a muslim over someone like huckabee.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Pretty sad to think people want me banned.