very interesting read. i really can't understand how this is considered a game of skill and is legal but online poker is not. and if you are using automated programs , even written code yourself, how is that a game of skill? i never fully trusted the poker sites were on the up and up and after reading this don't think these sites are either.
very interesting read. i really can't understand how this is considered a game of skill and is legal but online poker is not. and if you are using automated programs , even written code yourself, how is that a game of skill? i never fully trusted the poker sites were on the up and up and after reading this don't think these sites are either.
There's really no new information in that article for me anyway. If you played online poker, you knew that the odds were against you.
very interesting read. i really can't understand how this is considered a game of skill and is legal but online poker is not. and if you are using automated programs , even written code yourself, how is that a game of skill? i never fully trusted the poker sites were on the up and up and after reading this don't think these sites are either.
How could these DFS sites be a scam? Can't see how things could be fixed when the results aren't debatable.
Biggest scam out there. Can't beat the power users that play full time as their job.
Why? Please explain.
I haven't put money in my account since March. You just can't go nuts and play big money tournaments every day. I generally play a small money tourney if I feel good, but I mostly play the 50/50s and it seems to work out.
If you are playing just for fun and expecting to lose, then I see it can have entertainment value. But if you are really trying to win money, your odds are too low for my taste.. The guys that write the optimizing software that enter hundreds of picks a day have the upper hand.
very interesting read. i really can't understand how this is considered a game of skill and is legal but online poker is not. and if you are using automated programs , even written code yourself, how is that a game of skill? i never fully trusted the poker sites were on the up and up and after reading this don't think these sites are either.
How could these DFS sites be a scam? Can't see how things could be fixed when the results aren't debatable.
did you read the article? guys are writing scripts, allowed by the sites mind you, that pick the most optimized teams and playing hundreds of games a day. how is that considered skill and not 'fixed'?.
Biggest scam out there. Can't beat the power users that play full time as their job.
Why? Please explain.
I haven't put money in my account since March. You just can't go nuts and play big money tournaments every day. I generally play a small money tourney if I feel good, but I mostly play the 50/50s and it seems to work out.
If you are playing just for fun and expecting to lose, then I see it can have entertainment value. But if you are really trying to win money, your odds are too low for my taste.. The guys that write the optimizing software that enter hundreds of picks a day have the upper hand.
very interesting read. i really can't understand how this is considered a game of skill and is legal but online poker is not. and if you are using automated programs , even written code yourself, how is that a game of skill? i never fully trusted the poker sites were on the up and up and after reading this don't think these sites are either.
How could these DFS sites be a scam? Can't see how things could be fixed when the results aren't debatable.
did you read the article? guys are writing scripts, allowed by the sites mind you, that pick the most optimized teams and playing hundreds of games a day. how is that considered skill and not 'fixed'?.
Yeah, I read it. I think the ability to write a script to determine the best lineup is a pretty damn good skill. I really don't see how someone giving themselves the best chance to win could be 'fixed'.
very interesting read. i really can't understand how this is considered a game of skill and is legal but online poker is not. and if you are using automated programs , even written code yourself, how is that a game of skill? i never fully trusted the poker sites were on the up and up and after reading this don't think these sites are either.
How could these DFS sites be a scam? Can't see how things could be fixed when the results aren't debatable.
did you read the article? guys are writing scripts, allowed by the sites mind you, that pick the most optimized teams and playing hundreds of games a day. how is that considered skill and not 'fixed'?.
Yeah, I read it. I think the ability to write a script to determine the best lineup is a pretty damn good skill. I really don't see how someone giving themselves the best chance to win could be 'fixed'.
it's like scalpers having programs to get the best tickets in the 1st milliseconds of a concert sale. it's the same premise and you can't tell me you think that because the scalpers have a skill to write those programs that it is ok?
as these sites catch on even more and the money increases even more there will be more and more of this and make it even less possible to make money on it.
very interesting read. i really can't understand how this is considered a game of skill and is legal but online poker is not. and if you are using automated programs , even written code yourself, how is that a game of skill? i never fully trusted the poker sites were on the up and up and after reading this don't think these sites are either.
How could these DFS sites be a scam? Can't see how things could be fixed when the results aren't debatable.
did you read the article? guys are writing scripts, allowed by the sites mind you, that pick the most optimized teams and playing hundreds of games a day. how is that considered skill and not 'fixed'?.
Yeah, I read it. I think the ability to write a script to determine the best lineup is a pretty damn good skill. I really don't see how someone giving themselves the best chance to win could be 'fixed'.
it's like scalpers having programs to get the best tickets in the 1st milliseconds of a concert sale. it's the same premise and you can't tell me you think that because the scalpers have a skill to write those programs that it is ok?
as these sites catch on even more and the money increases even more there will be more and more of this and make it even less possible to make money on it.
The difference is that these guys who have scripts/programs for fanduel aren't guaranteed to win like the scalpers are with getting concerts/sports tickets. Their script/program may tell them to start a guy who gets injured in the 1st quarter and then they are fucked when that guy puts up a 0. There's definitely room for error when it comes to fanduel/draft kings. And I'd say the ability to write a script/program that analyzes stats/matchups is a little different than a script/program for buying concert tickets. What are they supposed to do??? Ban the people that are really good at DFS?
very interesting read. i really can't understand how this is considered a game of skill and is legal but online poker is not. and if you are using automated programs , even written code yourself, how is that a game of skill? i never fully trusted the poker sites were on the up and up and after reading this don't think these sites are either.
How could these DFS sites be a scam? Can't see how things could be fixed when the results aren't debatable.
did you read the article? guys are writing scripts, allowed by the sites mind you, that pick the most optimized teams and playing hundreds of games a day. how is that considered skill and not 'fixed'?.
Yeah, I read it. I think the ability to write a script to determine the best lineup is a pretty damn good skill. I really don't see how someone giving themselves the best chance to win could be 'fixed'.
it's like scalpers having programs to get the best tickets in the 1st milliseconds of a concert sale. it's the same premise and you can't tell me you think that because the scalpers have a skill to write those programs that it is ok?
as these sites catch on even more and the money increases even more there will be more and more of this and make it even less possible to make money on it.
The difference is that these guys who have scripts/programs for fanduel aren't guaranteed to win like the scalpers are with getting concerts/sports tickets. Their script/program may tell them to start a guy who gets injured in the 1st quarter and then they are fucked when that guy puts up a 0. There's definitely room for error when it comes to fanduel/draft kings. And I'd say the ability to write a script/program that analyzes stats/matchups is a little different than a script/program for buying concert tickets. What are they supposed to do??? Ban the people that are really good at DFS?
that's like saying the Patriots aren't cheaters because they still had to tackle even after they had videotapes and the other teams play charts.
Maybe I'm reading it wrong but as I understand it these scripts are entered directly into the sites allowing the players to pick hundreds and hundreds of teams in a much shorter period of time than some regular schmuck who is picking his teams by hand. So you are essentially allowing the odds for this 1 person to be much greater to start in a game than a regular person. how is that fair?
it seems some people have been able to work it into a game of value/probability with spreading out/diversifying. Worked out quite a bit of analytics into it. Also a great deal of data entry/research. The guy does a mass quantity of entries and returns 8% a day. That's pretty insane.
Average user isn't going to make a career like that unless he/she can bring the same statistical prowess and hard work into play.
I ponied up and joined finally. Seems like this is the future of this stuff and I enjoy gambling. I went in with the understanding that my deposit was "money spent".
very interesting read. i really can't understand how this is considered a game of skill and is legal but online poker is not. and if you are using automated programs , even written code yourself, how is that a game of skill? i never fully trusted the poker sites were on the up and up and after reading this don't think these sites are either.
How could these DFS sites be a scam? Can't see how things could be fixed when the results aren't debatable.
did you read the article? guys are writing scripts, allowed by the sites mind you, that pick the most optimized teams and playing hundreds of games a day. how is that considered skill and not 'fixed'?.
Yeah, I read it. I think the ability to write a script to determine the best lineup is a pretty damn good skill. I really don't see how someone giving themselves the best chance to win could be 'fixed'.
it's like scalpers having programs to get the best tickets in the 1st milliseconds of a concert sale. it's the same premise and you can't tell me you think that because the scalpers have a skill to write those programs that it is ok?
as these sites catch on even more and the money increases even more there will be more and more of this and make it even less possible to make money on it.
The difference is that these guys who have scripts/programs for fanduel aren't guaranteed to win like the scalpers are with getting concerts/sports tickets. Their script/program may tell them to start a guy who gets injured in the 1st quarter and then they are fucked when that guy puts up a 0. There's definitely room for error when it comes to fanduel/draft kings. And I'd say the ability to write a script/program that analyzes stats/matchups is a little different than a script/program for buying concert tickets. What are they supposed to do??? Ban the people that are really good at DFS?
that's like saying the Patriots aren't cheaters because they still had to tackle even after they had videotapes and the other teams play charts.
Maybe I'm reading it wrong but as I understand it these scripts are entered directly into the sites allowing the players to pick hundreds and hundreds of teams in a much shorter period of time than some regular schmuck who is picking his teams by hand. So you are essentially allowing the odds for this 1 person to be much greater to start in a game than a regular person. how is that fair?
The way I read it is that these scripts/programs are what these guys use to identify which players to start in their lineups. I'm not sure how they enter the actual contests.
very interesting read. i really can't understand how this is considered a game of skill and is legal but online poker is not. and if you are using automated programs , even written code yourself, how is that a game of skill? i never fully trusted the poker sites were on the up and up and after reading this don't think these sites are either.
How could these DFS sites be a scam? Can't see how things could be fixed when the results aren't debatable.
did you read the article? guys are writing scripts, allowed by the sites mind you, that pick the most optimized teams and playing hundreds of games a day. how is that considered skill and not 'fixed'?.
Yeah, I read it. I think the ability to write a script to determine the best lineup is a pretty damn good skill. I really don't see how someone giving themselves the best chance to win could be 'fixed'.
it's like scalpers having programs to get the best tickets in the 1st milliseconds of a concert sale. it's the same premise and you can't tell me you think that because the scalpers have a skill to write those programs that it is ok?
as these sites catch on even more and the money increases even more there will be more and more of this and make it even less possible to make money on it.
The difference is that these guys who have scripts/programs for fanduel aren't guaranteed to win like the scalpers are with getting concerts/sports tickets. Their script/program may tell them to start a guy who gets injured in the 1st quarter and then they are fucked when that guy puts up a 0. There's definitely room for error when it comes to fanduel/draft kings. And I'd say the ability to write a script/program that analyzes stats/matchups is a little different than a script/program for buying concert tickets. What are they supposed to do??? Ban the people that are really good at DFS?
that's like saying the Patriots aren't cheaters because they still had to tackle even after they had videotapes and the other teams play charts.
Maybe I'm reading it wrong but as I understand it these scripts are entered directly into the sites allowing the players to pick hundreds and hundreds of teams in a much shorter period of time than some regular schmuck who is picking his teams by hand. So you are essentially allowing the odds for this 1 person to be much greater to start in a game than a regular person. how is that fair?
The way I read it is that these scripts/programs are what these guys use to identify which players to start in their lineups. I'm not sure how they enter the actual contests.
and i have no problem with guys doing that to identify players but the below quote from the article leads me to believe that these guys with the scripts are entering them directly into the sites allowing for easier and faster picking games and teams allowing them to have more entries.
"Following the policy announcements, Rotogrinders released browser extensions that allow players to enter contests automatically on both sites."
This "game of skill" bullshit is not going to last for much longer, me thinks.
Yeah...feels like this bubble is going to burst soon. I could definitely see the government stepping in here soon and shutting it down.
It just irks me that you can't lay down a bet on a football game, yet the government lets two of the dumbest forms of gambling, the lotto and fantasy sports, to be legal.
This "game of skill" bullshit is not going to last for much longer, me thinks.
Yeah...feels like this bubble is going to burst soon. I could definitely see the government stepping in here soon and shutting it down.
It just irks me that you can't lay down a bet on a football game, yet the government lets two of the dumbest forms of gambling, the lotto and fantasy sports, to be legal.
Yep. It's fucking ridiculous. It should all be legal. There should be sportsbooks everywhere!
should we really be shocked that a site that Robert Kraft is an investor in is involved in a cheating scandal? too funny.
sports gambling will be legalized in this country within the next decade. little by little the leagues are softening their stances and the farce of only Nevada having true legal sports betting will be over.
Just saw this- the profit/loss already takes out the original $50 you bet.
Btw, yahoo daily fantasy has todd gurley as a $10 buy right now, which is the best buy I've seen yet on a daily fantasy site. I played him in all my games. Even if he does little (which I doubt) he was still only the minimum and the rest of my lineups look strong.
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Tom O.
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
Wins Losses Profit/Loss
10 0 40
9 1 31
8 2 22
7 3 13
6 4 4
5 5 -5
4 6 -14
3 7 -23
2 8 -32
1 9 -41
0 10 -50
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
http://thedailyroto.com/the-fanduel-scam/
2010: 5/20 NY, 5/21 NY ... 2011: 6/21 EV NY, 9/3 WI, 9/4 WI ... 2012: 9/2 PA, 9/22 GA ... 2013: 10/18 NY, 10/19 NY, 10/21 PA, 10/22 PA, 10/27 MD
2015: 9/23 NY, 9/26 NY ... 2016: 4/28 PA, 4/29 PA, 5/1 NY, 5/2 NY, 6/11 TN, 8/7 MA, 11/4 TOTD PA, 11/5 TOTD PA ... 2018: 8/10 WA ---- http://imgur.com/a/nk0s7
2010: 5/20 NY, 5/21 NY ... 2011: 6/21 EV NY, 9/3 WI, 9/4 WI ... 2012: 9/2 PA, 9/22 GA ... 2013: 10/18 NY, 10/19 NY, 10/21 PA, 10/22 PA, 10/27 MD
2015: 9/23 NY, 9/26 NY ... 2016: 4/28 PA, 4/29 PA, 5/1 NY, 5/2 NY, 6/11 TN, 8/7 MA, 11/4 TOTD PA, 11/5 TOTD PA ... 2018: 8/10 WA ---- http://imgur.com/a/nk0s7
Anyone who is "good in fantasy football leagues" thinks they can putz in and pull $100s of Ks or more is a fool.
DEGENERATE FUK
This place is dead
"THERE ARE NO CLIQUES, ONLY THOSE WHO DON'T JOIN THE FUN" - Empty circa 2015
"Kfsbho&$thncds" - F Me In the Brain - circa 2015
as these sites catch on even more and the money increases even more there will be more and more of this and make it even less possible to make money on it.
DEGENERATE FUK
This place is dead
"THERE ARE NO CLIQUES, ONLY THOSE WHO DON'T JOIN THE FUN" - Empty circa 2015
"Kfsbho&$thncds" - F Me In the Brain - circa 2015
Maybe I'm reading it wrong but as I understand it these scripts are entered directly into the sites allowing the players to pick hundreds and hundreds of teams in a much shorter period of time than some regular schmuck who is picking his teams by hand. So you are essentially allowing the odds for this 1 person to be much greater to start in a game than a regular person. how is that fair?
The guy does a mass quantity of entries and returns 8% a day. That's pretty insane.
Average user isn't going to make a career like that unless he/she can bring the same statistical prowess and hard work into play.
I ponied up and joined finally. Seems like this is the future of this stuff and I enjoy gambling. I went in with the understanding that my deposit was "money spent".
"Following the policy announcements, Rotogrinders released browser extensions that allow players to enter contests automatically on both sites."
It's also bullshit that NFL owners have stakes in these companies but players can't gamble.
Tom O.
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
DEGENERATE FUK
This place is dead
"THERE ARE NO CLIQUES, ONLY THOSE WHO DON'T JOIN THE FUN" - Empty circa 2015
"Kfsbho&$thncds" - F Me In the Brain - circa 2015
and any geico commercial ... blah, blah
sports gambling will be legalized in this country within the next decade. little by little the leagues are softening their stances and the farce of only Nevada having true legal sports betting will be over.
CHEATERS!!!
Btw, yahoo daily fantasy has todd gurley as a $10 buy right now, which is the best buy I've seen yet on a daily fantasy site. I played him in all my games. Even if he does little (which I doubt) he was still only the minimum and the rest of my lineups look strong.
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17