$500 would pay for about 3 hours of a defense attorney's time. That's not going to get you very far. Pay the fine. Consider it a lesson learned - not about drinking in public, just definitely never trust a cop.
Yeah, never trust a cop in a situation such as this. It's like trusting a car salesman. They are not there to help you out. They are there to make as much money as possible and will take every penny they can get. I feel bad for all of you that were taken advantage of. I say lesson learned and pay the fine.
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The last time I checked government jobs have been increase at the same level if not more than that of the private sector during the Bush administration. Go ahead, continue to vote republican and you'll have a president that wants to continue this war and increase the troop levels. I have no issue with paying a little more taxes if it helps the middle and lower classes; the upper class can afford to pitch in and help out a little more rather than continuing to receive tax cuts as is the case under the current administration.
The initial discussion was based around a corrupt city, but you had to go and blame a whole poticial party for this issue.
And don't leave out the wiretap/eavesdropping. I mean, it's only a violation of the constitution......
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I was at the Pearl Jam concert in Camden NJ. We were in a private lot, 1000 yards from the venue. In the lot there was significant drinking going on. There were police about. A friend of mine approached a cop and asked if he could walk around with a beer. The cop responded that if he was 21, no problem.
An hour later we started to walk to the event, on a public road. There were 2 cops around the bend, issuing tickets for drinking in public. Luckily my wife had thrown her bottle away. My friend did not and was handed a $78 ticket, must appear in court. Technically he broke the law as it stands in NJ. I warned as many people as I could to trash their beers prior to walking over. Still, hundreds if not thousands were ticketed.
Now fast forward to my friend's court date. Here is his email of the event: "Well my court date was a complete nightmare. Turns out there were about 1000 other people there that were also at the Pearl Jam show. I would say 99% of the people in court. When we got there they called out our names individually and we had to go up to the prosecuter who told us our fine. Meanest woman I've ever been in contact with. Not rude to me, but out of hand with other people simply trying to ask her a question. Threatening to hold them in contempt of court for asking questions.
When I got up to her desk, she said the charge of "Drinking in Public" which had a fine of $78 had been amended and now the offense was "inapropriate behavior" which held a minimum fine of $500 up to $1000 with 60 days jail time. She said the court was recommending the $500 fine. If I were to plead "not guilty" they would set a trial date at a later time in which they would try and prosecute for the higher penalty. So... of course everyone at the courthouse pleads guilty and all people in attendance are to pay $500 + $33 in court costs.
I'm not sure how they were allowed to change the charge after the ticket had already been written. It went from $78 - $500 without anyone knowing until the day of court. A lot of us compared tickets and everyone I talked to had "drinking in public" written on their ticket as the penalty.
Whats kinda funny is the people who were under 21 (some looking 14 or 15) were charged with the same fine. I am 31 years old and I was having a beer. Now I'm out $533. Wow... Needless to say I was shocked. A lot of girls that were there were sobbing. What a day. Pretty scary how the law can pretty much do whatever they want. I guess they could have fined everyone $10,000 if they chose to. It is either pay your fine or go to jail. So people will pay any amount.
That was the 8:30AM court time.... They also have a 12:30PM court time which was probably filled up as well."
I don't understand how they can arbitrarily change the offense. There was no proof of his behavior. In fact, he wasn't witnessed drinking, nor was he drunk. He was merely carrying a beer.
This was obviously a revenue issue bordering on a government scam. And after seeing some of the poor neighborhoods in Camden, I'm sure they need as much revenue as possible. But then again, after hearing about all the corruption in the city government, I don't have too much faith that what is generated will go to much public good in the end.
To address issues like this or more importantly, make all tenclub members aware, we should start a thread on rules and regulations of specific concert sites. WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW OURSELVES AND THIS WONDERFUL COMMUNITY TO BE USED AS SLOT MACHINES TO FUND CORRUPT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS!
Any other experiences and thoughts out there?
peace
ken
most people with more than a GED knows that unless your in vegas DONT FUCKING WALK WITH AN OPEN CONTAINER
Well, I am an attorney and I would not have paid it if they changed it on me like that. I am pretty sure I could have gotten them to reduce it to the lesser offense of open container that they had on the ticket before. You could have done that too, but the bottom line is that it would have cost you to hire an attorney, and it costs anyone time (= money) to fight things like this.
But yeah, it sounds like bullshit. They changed them all after the fact, which is the reason you probably would have been able to prevail at trial on that if you had fought it. BUT that is not a guarantee of course, and it is also a huge hassle to go through for $500. At some point, it makes more sense to bend over and pay it, which they know, of course, and that is why they do it. $500 is probably the amount that most people would suck up and pay without raising too much stink. If it was $2,000, you'd see people pleading not guilty and they'd be faced with 1,000 trials on stupid charges that no prosecutor wants to deal with. This is the other part of it. The state attorneys do NOT want to waste their time with these idiotic cases. I know a few people who are DA's, and they almost always settle for the lesser offense. It's just a hassle you have to go through first.
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Well, I am an attorney and I would not have paid it if they changed it on me like that. I am pretty sure I could have gotten them to reduce it to the lesser offense of open container that they had on the ticket before. You could have done that too, but the bottom line is that it would have cost you to hire an attorney, and it costs anyone time (= money) to fight things like this.
But yeah, it sounds like bullshit. They changed them all after the fact, which is the reason you probably would have been able to prevail at trial on that if you had fought it. BUT that is not a guarantee of course, and it is also a huge hassle to go through for $500. At some point, it makes more sense to bend over and pay it, which they know, of course, and that is why they do it. $500 is probably the amount that most people would suck up and pay without raising too much stink. If it was $2,000, you'd see people pleading not guilty and they'd be faced with 1,000 trials on stupid charges that no prosecutor wants to deal with. This is the other part of it. The state attorneys do NOT want to waste their time with these idiotic cases. I know a few people who are DA's, and they almost always settle for the lesser offense. It's just a hassle you have to go through first.
Could the OP have asked to plead guilty to a lesser charge right away, or would he have to plead not guilty, and then ask for the deal at his trial?
If he was able to do it at the mass gathering, wouldn't that open the floodgates for eveyone else to do the same?
Could the OP have asked to plead guilty to a lesser charge right away, or would he have to plead not guilty, and then ask for the deal at his trial?
If he was able to do it at the mass gathering, wouldn't that open the floodgates for eveyone else to do the same?
No, you couldn't do that at the initial hearing (usually an arraignment). It's either guilty (no contest) or guilty to the full charge. Pleading guilty to the lesser offense at the initial hearing does nothing. In fact, it would not be advised.
You'd have to plead not guilty and then try to haggle a deal down the road.
My cousin got cited for an undersized lobster by Life Guard police in San Diego, and it was the same kind of thing, believe it or not. Even though it was only one lobster that was undersized, they cited him for all 6 even though it was BS. Total citation was like $3,000. He had to plead not guilty, get a public defender, and ended up paying the $500 it should have been all along. They just make you go through the hoops.
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most people with more than a GED knows that unless your in vegas DONT FUCKING WALK WITH AN OPEN CONTAINER
Wow... You are wrong there!. College educated here, just not a big drinker. Guess I'd better go and get my graduate degree in drinking etiquette. My bad!!
But the OP could possibly have gotten everyone together and staged a mass not guilty plea. That could have worked because it would have overwhelmed the court, setting all those trials on the same day. Not sure what they would do if they saw you conspiring to do that though. Probably arrest you for staging a demonstration in the courthouse or something. Anyway, it is a thought.
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wow, thats fucking bullshit. . .there's gotta be something you can do, like someone said maybe a class-action suit or something. . .i feel lucky cause i was there and drinking (in cups) and i did see a couple of police but they didnt seem to be bothering anyone. . .in fact i remarked to my friend that they seemed to be cool with the drinking thing since i saw alot of people drinking out of bottles and noone really getting shit for it
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wow, thats fucking bullshit. . .there's gotta be something you can do, like someone said maybe a class-action suit or something. . .i feel lucky cause i was there and drinking (in cups) and i did see a couple of police but they didnt seem to be bothering anyone. . .in fact i remarked to my friend that they seemed to be cool with the drinking thing since i saw alot of people drinking out of bottles and noone really getting shit for it
The recourse is they can plead not guilty and take it to trial. No one forced them to plead guilty. Yes, it is bullshit, but that is their recourse.
San Diego 10/25/00, Mountain View 6/1/03, Santa Barbara 10/28/03, Northwest School 3/18/05, San Diego 7/7/06, Los Angeles 7/9/06, 7/10/06, Honolulu (U2) 12/9/06, Santa Barbara (EV) 4/10/08, Los Angeles (EV) 4/12/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield 6/28/08, VH1 Rock Honors The Who 7/12/08, Seattle 9/21/09, Universal City 9/30/09, 10/1/09, 10/6/09, 10/7/09, San Diego 10/9/09, Los Angeles (EV) 7/8/11, Santa Barbara (EV) 7/9/11, Chicago 7/19/13, San Diego 11/21/13, Los Angeles 11/23/13, 11/24/13, Oakland 11/26/13, Chicago 8/22/16, Missoula 8/13/18, Boston 9/2/18, Los Angeles 2/25/22 (EV), San Diego 5/3/22, Los Angeles 5/6/22, 5/7/22, Imola 6/25/22, [Los Angeles 5/21/24], [London 6/29/24], [Boston 9/15/24]
No, you couldn't do that at the initial hearing (usually an arraignment). It's either guilty (no contest) or guilty to the full charge. Pleading guilty to the lesser offense at the initial hearing does nothing. In fact, it would not be advised.
You'd have to plead not guilty and then try to haggle a deal down the road.
My cousin got cited for an undersized lobster by Life Guard police in San Diego, and it was the same kind of thing, believe it or not. Even though it was only one lobster that was undersized, they cited him for all 6 even though it was BS. Total citation was like $3,000. He had to plead not guilty, get a public defender, and ended up paying the $500 it should have been all along. They just make you go through the hoops.
Damn, you'd think that it was very clear cut that citing him for 6 didn't make sense.
Reminds me of the Deadhead who went to jail after they included the weight of the paper when they determined the weight of the LSD he was caught selling.
The recourse is they can plead not guilty and take it to trial. No one forced them to plead guilty. Yes, it is bullshit, but that is their recourse.
yeah but what if you didnt live near camden, taking it to trial would be a logistical nightmare and im sure they are aware that is the case for alot of the people ticketed
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JEFFREY ROSS ROGERS 1975-2002
yeah but what if you didnt live near camden, taking it to trial would be a logistical nightmare and im sure they are aware that is the case for alot of the people ticketed
Right, but the logistical nightmare is not the court's. It is on the people that have to go there. By going to Camden for the concert, you are placing yourself into the jurisdiction of the courts and police. It's the same as driving on another state's highways. If you don't show for your court date, it only hurts you (you get an arrest warrant).
Not defending the system. Just saying that you won't beat it unless you know the rules, and most people don't, and end up getting fucked.
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wow..I agree with what someone said about getting the media involved...if there were that many people getting screwed, it shouldn't be hard to round up 10-15 of 'em to verify it (could prob be done here). I'd be interested to see what kind of response you got from the local media....this should be brought to other peoples' attention....you never know, could find a Clark Kent-type that wants to expose some police corruption...which could lead to some attention-seeking attorney getting involved for free on the class action, ending with the downfall of the Camden police chief, and a movie of the week
seriously....how do they get away with this? brazen mass-extortion...Is it really legal to just change a charge after the fact and then let people prove it wrong? At what point would you get to see some kind of evidence or police statement explaining the change in violation? You would think there would either be none...or something very flimsy.... Would it be that hard to get off, or plea down without a lawyer if they had no case?
my friends and I asked a cop if we could carry our beers over to a park near the Forum in Tampa, and he said no prob....In retrospect, I'm pretty fuckin relieved that it wasn't a scam like this :(
I'm willing to bet someone at Fox29, 6ABC, CBS3, or NBC10 would love to hear more about this.
I submitted information to all 4 tv stations and 2 of the local rock stations and the local radio news station. I was not ticketed. I need someone who was fined to PM me if you are willing to go public with quotes and any comments concerning this bullshit. We should not be used as roving slot machines for some corrupt local government. I know that ignorance of the law is no excuse. However, trumping up charges to increase revenues should not be condoned in any fashion. I would expect that kind of behavior in some third world country, not here.
peace
ken
don't forget to contact the mayor of Camden. Please inundate her with complaints. We owe it to all those that will attend concerts in Camden in the future not be abused in the future. Think about it, wouldn't you have appreciated being warned about this? mayor@ci.camden.nj.us
3) A lot of the people in court mentioned that they had their beer in cups. Apparently cups are illegal too if you are on the sidewalk.
I meant #3 more as a joke...but as a general rule, I only drink in plastic cups and only very close to my car. I've been to Camden, Hartford, and tons of other sports and concert tailgates for over a decade and I've never had a problem.
my point is, everyone knows they're doing something they're not supposed to. just look out for #1, don't take unneccessary chances and and 99% of the time you'll be OK.
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Here is the first response that I got back from Jennifer at WYSP
This is UNBELIEVABLE! I can't understand how they can change the charge?.... And, IF the original charge was an inappropriate charge, shouldn't it just be thrown out altogether? Hmmmm....very weird. I will definitely spread the word. Unless I'm missing "something" here, this is absolutely ridiculous. I saw the public drinking going on in the parking lots with all the tailgating etc. And, I can understand them asking people to toss their beers on the way in, as you wouldn't want glass bottles or cans going into a venue like that, but writing tickets?! That's bullshit.
Yes, I will definitely spread the word.
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If anyone is in the Philadelphia area, please listen to Jennifer this afternoon and see if she says anything.
I also have a friend that makes skateboards for Jeff. I'm going to have him get this info to the band and let them know how their fans are being ripped off by the government of Camden.
Don't let anyone else get caught by this scam! Warn all your friends and email/tell everyone possible.
I'll be tailgating there next Saturday. And I'll let you guys know if I see anything weird, but like I said earlier I've never had any problems in 11 years there so I don't think anything will happen to me.
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Yeah, never trust a cop in a situation such as this. It's like trusting a car salesman. They are not there to help you out. They are there to make as much money as possible and will take every penny they can get. I feel bad for all of you that were taken advantage of. I say lesson learned and pay the fine.
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She hasn't responded back to my lengthy email but it would be cool to inundate her with a deluge of emails.
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That would have been a way to regroup before having to cop a plea.
And don't leave out the wiretap/eavesdropping. I mean, it's only a violation of the constitution......
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But yeah, it sounds like bullshit. They changed them all after the fact, which is the reason you probably would have been able to prevail at trial on that if you had fought it. BUT that is not a guarantee of course, and it is also a huge hassle to go through for $500. At some point, it makes more sense to bend over and pay it, which they know, of course, and that is why they do it. $500 is probably the amount that most people would suck up and pay without raising too much stink. If it was $2,000, you'd see people pleading not guilty and they'd be faced with 1,000 trials on stupid charges that no prosecutor wants to deal with. This is the other part of it. The state attorneys do NOT want to waste their time with these idiotic cases. I know a few people who are DA's, and they almost always settle for the lesser offense. It's just a hassle you have to go through first.
Could the OP have asked to plead guilty to a lesser charge right away, or would he have to plead not guilty, and then ask for the deal at his trial?
If he was able to do it at the mass gathering, wouldn't that open the floodgates for eveyone else to do the same?
No, you couldn't do that at the initial hearing (usually an arraignment). It's either guilty (no contest) or guilty to the full charge. Pleading guilty to the lesser offense at the initial hearing does nothing. In fact, it would not be advised.
You'd have to plead not guilty and then try to haggle a deal down the road.
My cousin got cited for an undersized lobster by Life Guard police in San Diego, and it was the same kind of thing, believe it or not. Even though it was only one lobster that was undersized, they cited him for all 6 even though it was BS. Total citation was like $3,000. He had to plead not guilty, get a public defender, and ended up paying the $500 it should have been all along. They just make you go through the hoops.
Wow... You are wrong there!. College educated here, just not a big drinker. Guess I'd better go and get my graduate degree in drinking etiquette. My bad!!
JEFFREY ROSS ROGERS 1975-2002
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finally, FUCK TICKETMASTER
The recourse is they can plead not guilty and take it to trial. No one forced them to plead guilty. Yes, it is bullshit, but that is their recourse.
Damn, you'd think that it was very clear cut that citing him for 6 didn't make sense.
Reminds me of the Deadhead who went to jail after they included the weight of the paper when they determined the weight of the LSD he was caught selling.
JEFFREY ROSS ROGERS 1975-2002
9.10.98 NYC / 8.23.00 JONES BEACH /4.30.03 UNIONDALE / 7.9.03 NYC /5.12.06 ALBANY/ 6.1.06 E.RUTHEFORD/ 6.3.06 E. RUTHEFORD/ CAMDEN 6.19.08/ NYC 6.24.08/ NYC 6.25.08/ HARTFORD 6.27.08/ CHICAGO 8.24.09/ PHILLY 10.31.09/ HARTFORD 5.15.10/ NEWARK 5.18.10/ NYC 5.20.10/ CHICAGO 7.19.13/ BROOKLYN 10.18.13/ BROOKLYN 10.19.13/ HARTFORD 10.25.13/ NYC 9.26.15/ 4.8.16 FT. LAUDERDALE/ 4.9.16 MIAMI / 5.1.16 NYC/ 5.2.16 NYC / 8.5.16 BOSTON / 8.7.16 BOSTON/ 8.20.18 CHICAGO/ 9.2.18 BOSTON/ 9.4.18 BOSTON/ 9.18.21 ASBURY PARK
finally, FUCK TICKETMASTER
Right, but the logistical nightmare is not the court's. It is on the people that have to go there. By going to Camden for the concert, you are placing yourself into the jurisdiction of the courts and police. It's the same as driving on another state's highways. If you don't show for your court date, it only hurts you (you get an arrest warrant).
Not defending the system. Just saying that you won't beat it unless you know the rules, and most people don't, and end up getting fucked.
seriously....how do they get away with this? brazen mass-extortion...Is it really legal to just change a charge after the fact and then let people prove it wrong? At what point would you get to see some kind of evidence or police statement explaining the change in violation? You would think there would either be none...or something very flimsy.... Would it be that hard to get off, or plea down without a lawyer if they had no case?
my friends and I asked a cop if we could carry our beers over to a park near the Forum in Tampa, and he said no prob....In retrospect, I'm pretty fuckin relieved that it wasn't a scam like this :(
1) don't believe that a cop tells you something is OK to do even though you know it's illegal.
2) never go into court without a lawyer (it's worth it)
3) invest in plastic red cups
1) Agreed
2) If I had the money I agree
3) A lot of the people in court mentioned that they had their beer in cups. Apparently cups are illegal too if you are on the sidewalk.
I submitted information to all 4 tv stations and 2 of the local rock stations and the local radio news station. I was not ticketed. I need someone who was fined to PM me if you are willing to go public with quotes and any comments concerning this bullshit. We should not be used as roving slot machines for some corrupt local government. I know that ignorance of the law is no excuse. However, trumping up charges to increase revenues should not be condoned in any fashion. I would expect that kind of behavior in some third world country, not here.
peace
ken
don't forget to contact the mayor of Camden. Please inundate her with complaints. We owe it to all those that will attend concerts in Camden in the future not be abused in the future. Think about it, wouldn't you have appreciated being warned about this? mayor@ci.camden.nj.us
kcv
I meant #3 more as a joke...but as a general rule, I only drink in plastic cups and only very close to my car. I've been to Camden, Hartford, and tons of other sports and concert tailgates for over a decade and I've never had a problem.
my point is, everyone knows they're doing something they're not supposed to. just look out for #1, don't take unneccessary chances and and 99% of the time you'll be OK.
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Here is the first response that I got back from Jennifer at WYSP
This is UNBELIEVABLE! I can't understand how they can change the charge?.... And, IF the original charge was an inappropriate charge, shouldn't it just be thrown out altogether? Hmmmm....very weird. I will definitely spread the word. Unless I'm missing "something" here, this is absolutely ridiculous. I saw the public drinking going on in the parking lots with all the tailgating etc. And, I can understand them asking people to toss their beers on the way in, as you wouldn't want glass bottles or cans going into a venue like that, but writing tickets?! That's bullshit.
Yes, I will definitely spread the word.
Jennifer Reed
Afternoons, 3-7pm
94 WYSP, "Philly's Rock Station"
If anyone is in the Philadelphia area, please listen to Jennifer this afternoon and see if she says anything.
I also have a friend that makes skateboards for Jeff. I'm going to have him get this info to the band and let them know how their fans are being ripped off by the government of Camden.
Don't let anyone else get caught by this scam! Warn all your friends and email/tell everyone possible.
peace
Ken
I live in yonkers right now!!
originally from mt.kisco ,ny
go steelers
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