better music...USA or UK.

Wobbie

just think....beatles, floyd, who, tull, purple, etc.....vs. PJ, eagles, seattle bands, minneapolis bands, etc.

who was more influential?

I gotta go UK even tho the US invented rock n roll.

tino_11

Add Led Zep to your list and there's only one winner!

Although the U.S. has given us our favourite band of all time, so it's not all one sided.

Suziemay

UK in general. But there are a few standout American bands that I can think of, especially one in particular

wall232

Floyd, Zeppelin and Sabbath are all I need to think of. Of course I love the Seattle 4 and lots of great U.S. metal bands but those three bands I mentioned were the most influential to me.

brianlux

Both: The Jimi Hendrix Experience.

I think Jimi had it right with "the English and American combined anthem together." Wild Thing!

tempo_n_groove

Everything started with Rock N Roll, so it's the blues and Elvis in the US. Without them the British invasion never happens.

brianlux

tempo_n_groove said:

Everything started with Rock N Roll, so it's the blues and Elvis in the US. Without them the British invasion never happens.

True, especially with regards to the blues. The delta blues and Chicago blues, and artist from Robert Johnson to Muddy Waters (and a host of others), formed the groundwork for rock and roll.

eeriepadave

I'm gonna pull a michael wilbon and go with a push. Both have great music. If I were to list my favorite bands and where they are from it would be pretty close.

Tim Simmons

I think the UK has had bigger influential bands, but the U.S. Has had more and diverse influential bands. And TBH the huge UK bands are so played out in 2015 I'm bored by them.

I guess you have have to go UK if you are firmly rooted in the 60s and 70s sound. The Ramones changed rock for the better and REM kept it cool, while the mainstream made it laughable and Nirvana blew it up and made it huge again. You also have to remember why those other bands have remained in the collective conscious for so long is because baby boomers are firmly rooted in the past and want to remind you how important their generation was.

The truth is, after punk in 77, the contributions to rock from the UK have been severely diminishing. Yo have the The Clash, the Smiths, And the britpop era. I guess if you want to include U2, fine. But since the mid 90s, the best contributions to rock from the UK have been Coldplay and The Libertines. Since that second libertines album, there has been the biggest drought of UK bands. (You can't say Muse, it's laughable prog wank)

Tim Simmons

Also, how do you pick

PJ
the Eagles
Misc. Seattle bands that I guess include Nirvana
And Minneapolis bands which probably include prince and then some college radio bands

As the big impact of US rock on the world?

Tim Simmons

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tempo_n_groove

Tim Simmons said:

I think the UK has had bigger influential bands, but the U.S. Has had more and diverse influential bands. And TBH the huge UK bands are so played out in 2015 I'm bored by them.

I guess you have have to go UK if you are firmly rooted in the 60s and 70s sound. The Ramones changed rock for the better and REM kept it cool, while the mainstream made it laughable and Nirvana blew it up and made it huge again. You also have to remember why those other bands have remained in the collective conscious for so long is because baby boomers are firmly rooted in the past and want to remind you how important their generation was.

The truth is, after punk in 77, the contributions to rock from the UK have been severely diminishing. Yo have the The Clash, the Smiths, And the britpop era. I guess if you want to include U2, fine. But since the mid 90s, the best contributions to rock from the UK have been Coldplay and The Libertines. Since that second libertines album, there has been the biggest drought of UK bands. (You can't say Muse, it's laughable prog wank)

You could also add the "industrial" era with Joy Division. They had a HUGE influence.

Bands I think that had a huge impact:

Early Blues.
Elvis Presley.
Beach Boys.
Beatles.
Jimmy Hendrix.
Led Zeppelin.
Black Sabbath.
Iron Maiden.
Joy Division.
Minor Threat.
Misfits.
Motley Crue.
Nirvana.
RATM.
Linkin Park. yep!
THE Shins.
???

PJ_Soul

If I look at my top 5 favorite bands/artists of all time, only one of them is from the UK (Led Zeppelin). So I guess I'd have to say the USA. Not that I care either way, and of course the UK has produced a shit load of great musicians.

javis el errante

Beatles, Stones, Zep, Purple, Who, Sabbath, Floyd, Cream, The Faces, Genesis, Sex Pistols, The Clash, Maiden, Police, The Cure, Depeche Mode, Oasis, Radiohead, Placebo, The Smiths...

Elvis, Jimi, The Doors, Dylan, Michael Jackson, Greatful Dead, Bruce Springsteen, Pearl Jam, REM, BRMC, Beck, Jack White III, Beach Boys, Prince, Talking Heads, Sonic Youth

The US list was hard to provide, but I'm affraid both lists run short, and there's no comparison between them, and to me it's a tie whichever way you see it...

helplessdancer

i've seen more live great american music vs live uk music, in the usa...so i'm gonna go with the usa
who was/is the uk's version of springsteen? no one that i can think of.

dankind

Creedence....

Game Over....

PJ_Soul

The USA has a WAY bigger talent pool. Considering the difference in population sizes, the UK is insane when it comes to home grown talent. But the US luckily has so many more people we get tons from them too. Works well for music fans.

Wobbie

Tim Simmons said:

The truth is, after punk in 77, the contributions to rock from the UK have been severely diminishing. Yo have the The Clash, the Smiths, And the britpop era. I guess if you want to include U2, fine. But since the mid 90s, the best contributions to rock from the UK have been Coldplay and The Libertines. Since that second libertines album, there has been the biggest drought of UK bands. (You can't say Muse, it's laughable prog wank)

great point on how the UK has been a bit irrelevant lately.

that said....and I've argued this in other posts....no one is going to remember mumford or avett bros, 20 years from now.

really, is anything new and great coming from either country these days?

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

If I look at my top 5 favorite bands/artists of all time, only one of them is from the UK (Led Zeppelin). So I guess I'd have to say the USA. Not that I care either way, and of course the UK has produced a shit load of great musicians.

Interesting way to look at it. I'll give it a shot. My top five favorites by alpha order:

1. Dinosaur Jr: U.S.

2. Jimi Hendrix Experience: Both (Could be argued mainly U.S. since it's Jimi after all but besides Mitch and Noel you have to throw in Brit. Chas Chandler).

3. Pearl Jam: U.S.

4. The Replacements: U.S.

5. Neil Young and Crazy Horse: Canada/ U.S.

Well, there it is, 1/2 point for the U.K., 1/2 point CAN, 4 points U.S.A.

Would be interested in seeing what other of you consider your top 5.

tino_11

imalive said:

Tim Simmons said:

The truth is, after punk in 77, the contributions to rock from the UK have been severely diminishing. Yo have the The Clash, the Smiths, And the britpop era. I guess if you want to include U2, fine. But since the mid 90s, the best contributions to rock from the UK have been Coldplay and The Libertines. Since that second libertines album, there has been the biggest drought of UK bands. (You can't say Muse, it's laughable prog wank)

great point on how the UK has been a bit irrelevant lately.

that said....and I've argued this in other posts....no one is going to remember mumford or avett bros, 20 years from now.

really, is anything new and great coming from either country these days?

Depends how you want to look at things? It's always easier to hold bands from previous generations in higher esteem because their music has stood the test of time.

On a side note, no way should the Libertines be mentioned as one of the best bands of the past 20 years in the UK. Blur, Muse, Arctic Monkeys, Kasabian, etc etc have all put out much stronger efforts. That said I'm not denying rock music here is in a poor state of affairs currently, but it's the same both sides of the Atlantic right now.

From the U.S. side of things, I can't believe discussion has gone on this long with no mention of Metallica.

OffSheGoes35

Bob Dylan
Jimi Hendrix
Marvin Gaye
James Brown
Yo-Yo Ma
The Allman Brothers
Parliament
Violent Femmes
The Misfits
Metallica( thank you tino_11)...and many many others.

Have to go with USA.

Tim Simmons

tino_11 said:

On a side note, no way should the Libertines be mentioned as one of the best bands of the past 20 years in the UK. Blur, Muse, Arctic Monkeys, Kasabian, etc etc have all put out much stronger efforts. .

Oh man. I could say the same thing about Kasabian. I guess I did forget about the AM, they certainly are in the top 3 from the UK since 2000.

I think the Libs brought that fire that UK rock had been missing since Be Here Now killed Britpop. It was punk, and funny and interesting. Granted they had 2 albums and a handful of singles, but it was an impactful couple of years in which they made UK rock interesting. Kasabian always struck me as 4rd generation Britpop.

PJ_Soul

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

If I look at my top 5 favorite bands/artists of all time, only one of them is from the UK (Led Zeppelin). So I guess I'd have to say the USA. Not that I care either way, and of course the UK has produced a shit load of great musicians.

Interesting way to look at it. I'll give it a shot. My top five favorites by alpha order:

1. Dinosaur Jr: U.S.

2. Jimi Hendrix Experience: Both (Could be argued mainly U.S. since it's Jimi after all but besides Mitch and Noel you have to throw in Brit. Chas Chandler).

3. Pearl Jam: U.S.

4. The Replacements: U.S.

5. Neil Young and Crazy Horse: Canada/ U.S.

Well, there it is, 1/2 point for the U.K., 1/2 point CAN, 4 points U.S.A.

Would be interested in seeing what other of you consider your top 5.

@brianlux I think my top 5 are
1. Pearl Jam
2. Led Zeppelin
3. Joseph Arthur
4. Neil Young
5. Modest Mouse

??? It's very hard to exclude some others though. Fugazi was on that list instead of Neil Young, and then I switched, and then replaced Modest Mouse with them, but then changed it back, and then I tried some other combos, etc, lol, and I'm still not sure that Fugazi being left off is right.

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

If I look at my top 5 favorite bands/artists of all time, only one of them is from the UK (Led Zeppelin). So I guess I'd have to say the USA. Not that I care either way, and of course the UK has produced a shit load of great musicians.

Interesting way to look at it. I'll give it a shot. My top five favorites by alpha order:

1. Dinosaur Jr: U.S.

2. Jimi Hendrix Experience: Both (Could be argued mainly U.S. since it's Jimi after all but besides Mitch and Noel you have to throw in Brit. Chas Chandler).

3. Pearl Jam: U.S.

4. The Replacements: U.S.

5. Neil Young and Crazy Horse: Canada/ U.S.

Well, there it is, 1/2 point for the U.K., 1/2 point CAN, 4 points U.S.A.

Would be interested in seeing what other of you consider your top 5.

@brianlux I think my top 5 are
1. Pearl Jam
2. Led Zeppelin
3. Joseph Arthur
4. Neil Young
5. Modest Mouse

??? It's very hard to exclude some others though. Fugazi was on that list instead of Neil Young, and then I switched, and then replaced Modest Mouse with them, but then changed it back, and then I tried some other combos, etc, lol, and I'm still not sure that Fugazi being left off is right.

Fugazi are incredible, yes!

Hey, if amps can go to eleven, so can lists, right? So my number eleven is... drum roll... FUGAZI!!

dankind

I thought I said,

dankind said:

Creedence....

Game Over....

Wobbie

dankind said:

Creedence....

Game Over....

pink floyd....

game over...

eeriepadave

imalive said:

just think....beatles, floyd, who, tull, purple, etc.....vs. PJ, eagles, seattle bands, minneapolis bands, etc.

who was more influential?

I gotta go UK even tho the US invented rock n roll.

Minneapolis bands? Only person i can think of from Minneapolis was Prince. Care to enlighten me on the others?

dankind

imalive said:

dankind said:

Creedence....

Game Over....

pink floyd....

game over...

Yeah, Pink Floyd definitely influenced me ...



































... to take a shitload of psychedelics!

dankind

^^^And speaking of Floyd, I remember a few years ago at work, I overheard a couple of Williamsburg hipstersnappers (who were probably in an ironic Def Leppard cover band or something) in the kitchen having an in inane conversation about Pink Floyd while I was heating up a burrito or something.

It went something like this.

Billyburger 1: But who was Pink Floyd, really? Was it Roger Waters or David Gilmour?

Billyburger 2: Hard to say. When I think of Floyd, I think of the guitar sound, you know, so I guess I'd say Gilmour -- plus he kept the band together after Roger went solo.

Billyburger 1: Yeah, but Roger did most of the writing and had most of the creative control.

Billyburger 2: But--

dankind (who's had enough): Let me settle this for you kiddos, alright. (Pause) It was Syd.

Billyburger 1 and 2 (in unison): Who!?!

(dankind returns to his desk and bangs his head on it a few times.)

goldrush

I was born in the UK and raised on my dad's lps (Stones, Beatles, Led Zep, Cream/Clapton, Fleetwood Mac) so my childhood influences are definitely more UK. But becoming a teenager at the end of the 80s meant the U.S. bands of the late 80s/90s have a much longer lasting impact on me personally.

My all-time top 5 would be heavily weighted to the U.S.:

Pearl Jam
Neil Young
REM
Anything and everything Lanegan-related
Afghan Whigs (sorry imalive!)

Just to play devil's advocate a little... are we only talking rock music? If you're talking musical influence then Michael Jackson must surely get a mention. I'm not a fan but he influenced generations, and across different genres (Eddie included) so that's a big plus for the US. Patti Smith, Prince, Public Enemy and Sebadoh are a couple of others that I'd definitely add to the list.

I'd definitely count Manic Street Preachers on the UK list but there hasn't been much else coming from the UK since the Britpop era.

23scidoo

60's and 70's UK..90's and 00's USA..the 80's was shit..