i am much more concerned about the southern conservative christian anti-governmnet homegrown american terrorists than i am the muslim ones that everyone seems to love to demonize around here.
i have a better chance of getting killed by one of them than i do the muslim ones.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Apparently you have a better chance of being struck by lightning than either one of those possibilities happening to you. And you are 1904 times more likely to die in a car accident.
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i am much more concerned about the southern conservative christian anti-governmnet homegrown american terrorists than i am the muslim ones that everyone seems to love to demonize around here.
i have a better chance of getting killed by one of them than i do the muslim ones.
Great deflection Rod.sheesh. Im not refrencing homegrown terror.But lately that has also been islamic supporters as much as dumb christian rednecks. And make no mistake the assholes in ISIS are doing a fine job demonizing themselves with all these acr of terror. I love how some here fail to acknowledge the growing issue with radical islam.thats cool im sure its israels and the conservatives fault anyway.
i am much more concerned about the southern conservative christian anti-governmnet homegrown american terrorists than i am the muslim ones that everyone seems to love to demonize around here.
i have a better chance of getting killed by one of them than i do the muslim ones.
Great deflection Rod.sheesh. Im not refrencing homegrown terror.But lately that has also been islamic supporters as much as dumb christian rednecks. And make no mistake the assholes in ISIS are doing a fine job demonizing themselves with all these acr of terror. I love how some here fail to acknowledge the growing issue with radical islam.thats cool im sure its israels and the conservatives fault anyway.
i was not deflecting anything. i just stated my opinion and said that I personally have a higher risk of being harmed by a christian anti-government lunatic than a muslim one.
honest question for you rr. when was the last time a muslim did anything that could be considered an act of terrorism in the continental united states? how recently? i guaranfuckintee you there have been way more wackadoo christian terrorist attacks here on american soil than there have been muslim ones. and yet everyone fears the islamic ones. why is that?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i am much more concerned about the southern conservative christian anti-governmnet homegrown american terrorists than i am the muslim ones that everyone seems to love to demonize around here.
i have a better chance of getting killed by one of them than i do the muslim ones.
Great deflection Rod.sheesh. Im not refrencing homegrown terror.But lately that has also been islamic supporters as much as dumb christian rednecks. And make no mistake the assholes in ISIS are doing a fine job demonizing themselves with all these acr of terror. I love how some here fail to acknowledge the growing issue with radical islam.thats cool im sure its israels and the conservatives fault anyway.
i was not deflecting anything. i just stated my opinion and said that I personally have a higher risk of being harmed by a christian anti-government lunatic than a muslim one.
honest question for you rr. when was the last time a muslim did anything that could be considered an act of terrorism in the continental united states? how recently? i guaranfuckintee you there have been way more wackadoo christian terrorist attacks here on american soil than there have been muslim ones. and yet everyone fears the islamic ones. why is that?
Do you think there are people out there just hoping that something will come to their assistance given the level of violence they face not sharing the same ideology as ISIS?
Or do you think there are people out there within ISIS' reach that feel as if the last thing they need is assistance of any form?
I agree with your assessment of radical Christian threat potential.
i am much more concerned about the southern conservative christian anti-governmnet homegrown american terrorists than i am the muslim ones that everyone seems to love to demonize around here.
i have a better chance of getting killed by one of them than i do the muslim ones.
Great deflection Rod.sheesh. Im not refrencing homegrown terror.But lately that has also been islamic supporters as much as dumb christian rednecks. And make no mistake the assholes in ISIS are doing a fine job demonizing themselves with all these acr of terror. I love how some here fail to acknowledge the growing issue with radical islam.thats cool im sure its israels and the conservatives fault anyway.
i was not deflecting anything. i just stated my opinion and said that I personally have a higher risk of being harmed by a christian anti-government lunatic than a muslim one.
honest question for you rr. when was the last time a muslim did anything that could be considered an act of terrorism in the continental united states? how recently? i guaranfuckintee you there have been way more wackadoo christian terrorist attacks here on american soil than there have been muslim ones. and yet everyone fears the islamic ones. why is that?
So because I don't walk out of my house in fear and I'm not worried the Radical Islamic bogey man is coming to get me I should have blinders on to a movement of violence that seems to have a new attack somewhere in the world daily. I truly am not worried about IsIS attacking Jupiter Fl.But I'd be lying if I didn't think about them wanting and trying to attack soft targets.And you can't tell me that isn't a relevant concern.Maybe not at the hands of a Toyota pick up full of terrorists but at the hands of a some disenfranchised American sympathizer who has daddy issues and wants to be part of the big leagues.I have children who take public transportation in NYC daily.Do I keep that in the back of my mind? You fucking bet. Two weeks ago a Isis loving douche bag shot up a recruitment office,a few weeks before that 2 Muslims radicals tried to shoot up a convention.Daily plots are foiled.Its happening all around you.But that really isn't my concern.My issue is the continued displays of violence on soft and innocent targets around the world.We should have learned during WW2 not to turn a blind eye to these kinds of things. I've said many times I have no issue with Muslims and I make it clear when describing the bad ones as radicals or fundamentalists.Any fundamentalist or hardline religion that kills in the name of,is dangerous.Im critical of certain Israeli actions,Russian actions,etc as well. But radical muslimism and Islamic fundamentalist values(the backwards sexist,rascist,values) and this ridiculous Caliphate bullshit is something that needs to be kept in check.Not because of what they want to believe but because they want to hurt,kill,name others to push their agenda.And that is not ok.So Fuck em.They are no better then human pieces of shit.
i am much more concerned about the southern conservative christian anti-governmnet homegrown american terrorists than i am the muslim ones that everyone seems to love to demonize around here.
i have a better chance of getting killed by one of them than i do the muslim ones.
Great deflection Rod.sheesh. Im not refrencing homegrown terror.But lately that has also been islamic supporters as much as dumb christian rednecks. And make no mistake the assholes in ISIS are doing a fine job demonizing themselves with all these acr of terror. I love how some here fail to acknowledge the growing issue with radical islam.thats cool im sure its israels and the conservatives fault anyway.
i was not deflecting anything. i just stated my opinion and said that I personally have a higher risk of being harmed by a christian anti-government lunatic than a muslim one.
honest question for you rr. when was the last time a muslim did anything that could be considered an act of terrorism in the continental united states? how recently? i guaranfuckintee you there have been way more wackadoo christian terrorist attacks here on american soil than there have been muslim ones. and yet everyone fears the islamic ones. why is that?
Do you think there are people out there just hoping that something will come to their assistance given the level of violence they face not sharing the same ideology as ISIS?
in the united states? no not at all. in europe? no not at all. in the middle east? for sure. but that is not an american problem. that is a middle eastern problem. that is something that should have been considered when we invaded iraq. that is something that should have been considered when we threw and continue to throw blanket support behind the likud government if israel. it is not our problem. our presence in the region is only making things worse. that monument that was prized 5 years ago is now a target because those meaning to protect it are on the side of the americans. it is not our problem.
Or do you think there are people out there within ISIS' reach that feel as if the last thing they need is assistance of any form?
people out there might feel like they need our assistance, sure. but why are we the ones that they come to? we overthrew the natural order of things in the region. it is not doing anybody a bit of good for us to still be there. anybody associated with us is now a target. we can not continue to be beholden to everybody in the region.
israel has nukes and the greatest military in the region. it is up to them to lead instead of playing victim in perpetuity.
I agree with your assessment of radical Christian threat potential.
thank you for acknowledging. i know i am not speaking to the wall, even though i feel like i am 95% of the time.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i am much more concerned about the southern conservative christian anti-governmnet homegrown american terrorists than i am the muslim ones that everyone seems to love to demonize around here.
i have a better chance of getting killed by one of them than i do the muslim ones.
Great deflection Rod.sheesh. Im not refrencing homegrown terror.But lately that has also been islamic supporters as much as dumb christian rednecks. And make no mistake the assholes in ISIS are doing a fine job demonizing themselves with all these acr of terror. I love how some here fail to acknowledge the growing issue with radical islam.thats cool im sure its israels and the conservatives fault anyway.
i was not deflecting anything. i just stated my opinion and said that I personally have a higher risk of being harmed by a christian anti-government lunatic than a muslim one.
honest question for you rr. when was the last time a muslim did anything that could be considered an act of terrorism in the continental united states? how recently? i guaranfuckintee you there have been way more wackadoo christian terrorist attacks here on american soil than there have been muslim ones. and yet everyone fears the islamic ones. why is that?
So because I don't walk out of my house in fear and I'm not worried the Radical Islamic bogey man is coming to get me I should have blinders on to a movement of violence that seems to have a new attack somewhere in the world daily. I truly am not worried about IsIS attacking Jupiter Fl.But I'd be lying if I didn't think about them wanting and trying to attack soft targets.And you can't tell me that isn't a relevant concern.Maybe not at the hands of a Toyota pick up full of terrorists but at the hands of a some disenfranchised American sympathizer who has daddy issues and wants to be part of the big leagues.I have children who take public transportation in NYC daily.Do I keep that in the back of my mind? You fucking bet. Two weeks ago a Isis loving douche bag shot up a recruitment office,a few weeks before that 2 Muslims radicals tried to shoot up a convention.Daily plots are foiled.Its happening all around you.But that really isn't my concern.My issue is the continued displays of violence on soft and innocent targets around the world.We should have learned during WW2 not to turn a blind eye to these kinds of things. I've said many times I have no issue with Muslims and I make it clear when describing the bad ones as radicals or fundamentalists.Any fundamentalist or hardline religion that kills in the name of,is dangerous.Im critical of certain Israeli actions,Russian actions,etc as well. But radical muslimism and Islamic fundamentalist values(the backwards sexist,rascist,values) and this ridiculous Caliphate bullshit is something that needs to be kept in check.Not because of what they want to believe but because they want to hurt,kill,name others to push their agenda.And that is not ok.So Fuck em.They are no better then human pieces of shit.
see, i think you ARE in fear of radical islamists. with your posts, to me it sounds like you are. you have let them win. by doing so, you are feeding in to what they want you to believe, and by doing so you are leaving yourself open to the pro life christian anti-government assholes who i guarantee are living in your midst. perhaps in your neighborhood. you are way smarter than that. at least i hope i am not giving you too much credit.
my girlfriend is in jupiter right now for the next few weeks. her family has a nice condo there. she said that the confederate and pro life and open carry crazies and the anti obama sympathizers/fringe republican supporters are at a fever pitch in the area. i would be way more concerned about them than muslims if i were you. these are the people with the legal guns, with the motive, and with the entire propaganda network called fox news whipping them into a frenzy right now. these are the people with the motive as well. they are the ones with people immigrating to the area and taking the jobs that none of the natives want to do. they are the ones listening to trump and beating up illegal immigrants who take the jobs that the natives are too proud to do.
exactly what did we turn a blind eye to in world war II? and what should we have learned?
you can feel free to call the muslims human pieces of shit. to me though, anybody who practices any religion who is intent to do harm unto others are the same pieces of shit.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Ok,first off you twisted my words.Dont do that.At least be accurate.I didn't call Muslims human pieces of shit,I called Radical Islamic Fundamentalists who want a Caliphate.Big fucking difference Rod!! I do 100% agree with your point that any religion that wants to hurt others fall into the same piece of shit category. My WW2 reference was in regards to the slow response and Late involvement from western countries while the Third Riech was running rough shot on Eastern Europe.We were acting as if the Holocaust was not happening(the blind eye) until political pressure forced our hand. What we should have learned is to never again let any person,country,or government use religion,race,sexual orientation for or against others.If these same entities want to exterminate groups of people(I'm not talking only about the Jews) then we must stand up and fight back for what is right.We don't just get to cherry pick what is just,we must as protect those that can't protect themselves.regardless of the conflict or country.Isnt that what your very passionate stance as being anti Israel is about? Let's not be a hypocrite. Let me be perfectly clear.The religious right in this country is a fucking goofy ass cult if you ask me.I have no problem with faith,but when you use the bible(stories written by man) as law that's fucked up.They are part of the problem I agree,Espescially in American Politics.Some of the thoughts and words that come out of their mouths is so assinine if I didn't know these folks were serious I'd think it was comedy improv.
Now for the Important stuff.I shoulda caught the St.Louis/Jupiter connection.My bad.You fuckers invade our quiet town in droves in the winter/Spring. Obviously your GF parents have great taste in where they live.But I don't think you really accurately described Jupiter. You are correct we are very Republican,but not uptight,Religous right is everywhere but it's not out front here.The beach,fishing,sports and entertainment rule the roost.
If religion wants to get in the way it gets pushed aside.West of town we do have plenty of rednecks,you will see a rebel flag or 2,but it's not like it was in 70s and 80s.The whole middle part of our state is rural and with that comes Tractors,country music,churches and fried food,lol but it's the south,what do expect.Our big cities are not rednecky they are the opposite.Shit,we have sexy cities in South Fl.Palm Beach,Miami,Tampa,Ft.Lauderdale,Naples just money,Amenities, and half naked people.
My main concern to be honest is the local crime that rears its head from our version of Ferguson.
Rivera Beach and The hood part of West Palm.Those areas are way worse then Freguson or East St.Louis.Multiple shootings and Murders every night.Heavy drug and gang activity by some ignorant fucking people.Those 2 areas and criminals driving up from Dade county to break in to houses and businesses and violently robbing folks.If it sounds like I'm being racial I'm not trying to be its just 85% or more of our violent crimes originate or have ties to those areas.Thats just a fact here. So yeah there are a lot of gun owners.
Now to show you My southern Hospitality,next time you join her for a visit,pm me and Drinks will be on me.We can debate these hefty issues the proper way. At a bar with plenty of good music,food and drinks.We like to have fun down here. In fact tell your GF to head to Too Bizarre in Harbouside(By Tigers new Restaruant) for some drinks and sushi.We hang there a lot.She will love it.If she is going pm me and I will text my close friends who tend bar there Justin and Katrina they will hook her up for sure.
Hedo.I know we share some Ideoligy on many issues(I think of them as common sense issues).Its comforting knowing I'm not alone on how I choose to view those issues.I can see I'm in classy good company. Thank You
Drowned,Im sure there is some of that out there.Bubba and the boys Daryl and Daryl need something to do between Klan rallys and church. there will always be rascist assholes everywhere.
now lets address the source.WOW,could you have a picked a more biased source material.Its oozing with distain for the other side and based on some of the side stories,its clearly aimed at a republican hating ,police hating, ultra liberal,black lives matter constituency.Id put as much stock in that news as I would Fox on the other side.Very leading fluffy fear mongering stuff,just delivered in a far left package.
Should I have posted the breitbart article that gives Pam Gellar a platform instead? Fuck that. Didn't find any mention of this in the mainstream in my 2 minute search. What exactly do you take issue with in this article? It's short and factual. You even admit it's pretty accurate. This is the second time I've been called out for posting an Alternet link in a week or so. Are there any legit Indy media sites out there? Dailykos, dailybeast, salon, counterpunch, democracynow, truth-out, commondreams etc...all crap? Those sites are big enough, with enough contributors to almost be considered mainstream. What about foreign commercial media? All propaganda, right? Is only mainstream US media legit? Please provide me with a list of your acceptable sources.... I am acutely aware that critical thought is required regardless of source, because all sources have a bias first from the author, and second from the editor. In the case of the train, there is also the bias of the person relaying the message to consider. I think you all know my politics well enough...I have leftist beliefs but never give the supposed left politicians any slack. I make an effort to find more than one source and if necessary, 'the other side'. I can't say the same for most fox watchers. One thing I do not do is follow ANY mainstream sources.
No dude.post whatever you want.from wherever.Its all good,And yes the Article was on target. Im just more of a fan of news sources that aren't overly biased by politics.At least those who make an effort to be neutral. I think CNN,AP,Reuters,CBS are a few who do a good job of equal reporting.The boutique type outlets seem to wear their flags on their sleeve. Truth be told anyone who is engaging in discussion on these issues regardless of position has my respect because at least they are engaged in what's happening.that alone is worthy.
No dude.post whatever you want.from wherever.Its all good,And yes the Article was on target. Im just more of a fan of news sources that aren't overly biased by politics.At least those who make an effort to be neutral. I think CNN,AP,Reuters,CBS are a few who do a good job of equal reporting.The boutique type outlets seem to wear their flags on their sleeve. Truth be told anyone who is engaging in discussion on these issues regardless of position has my respect because at least they are engaged in what's happening.that alone is worthy.
But aren't those news sources FOX without the hysterical hoo ha? It's become very difficult to trust main stream press- maybe always has. Alternet's stated mission is to ""inspire citizen action and advocacy on the environment, human rights and civil liberties, social justice, media, and health care issues". Sounds good to me. And the British "Guardian" seems like about as good a news source as any out there.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Well Bri Alternet is lock step with yours and Drowneds political and social leanings so I'm sure you will feel as though it's one of the right sources for your information. As a Non partisan Moderate I need a little less drama in my reporting.That goes for the left and the right. Thats why CNN and CBS are my go to stations.But with any reporting I always have my bullshit and bias meter on and ready.lol As drowned said above "you must use Critical Thought" with all reporting.
Well Bri Alternet is lock step with yours and Drowneds political and social leanings so I'm sure you will feel as though it's one of the right sources for your information. As a Non partisan Moderate I need a little less drama in my reporting.That goes for the left and the right. Thats why CNN and CBS are my go to stations.But with any reporting I always have my bullshit and bias meter on and ready.lol As drowned said above "you must use Critical Thought" with all reporting.
Critical thinking, for sure. And our senses. Mind sense, common sense- does what your hearing and reading seem sensible, plausible, possible and does it contradict itself or other things that make more sense? And body sense. There is so much we can tell about what's going on in the world by look, seeing, feeling, smelling. (Which is why I know our environment is getting worse.)
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
No dude.post whatever you want.from wherever.Its all good,And yes the Article was on target. Im just more of a fan of news sources that aren't overly biased by politics.At least those who make an effort to be neutral. I think CNN,AP,Reuters,CBS are a few who do a good job of equal reporting.The boutique type outlets seem to wear their flags on their sleeve. Truth be told anyone who is engaging in discussion on these issues regardless of position has my respect because at least they are engaged in what's happening.that alone is worthy.
Cool.... I think neutrality is pretty rare. The thing with the sources you mention is that they are less in depth and they rarely mention sources for anything controversial. I saw Robert Fisk speak a couple years ago...he read an article, I think from the NYT, highlighting the number of instances they quoted sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity, or 'government officials said', or 'sourcse said', or whatever...it was scary how many times it was done in this one article - basically written by an unnamed source, passed off as honest reporting. it is representative of the depth of most print journalism that comes out of the sources you mentioned. If there are any political stories that name names, the quotes are double speak, and party lines - cliches on par with pro athlete post game interviews. Half the time Reuters, and AP don't even tell you who the author is! It's straight up spoon fed govt bullshit. I'd much rather read opinion pieces or investigative reporting that name names, trusting my instincts in regards to bias, or when to fact check or follow up...the sites I listed have a lot of that kind of content. And to be honest, I don't know the ownership structures of all of them - they could be corp fed too. Totally possible. We know vice was incorporated into murdochs empire years ago. So I try to pay attention to the individual reporters as well.
TV / video media is a whole other ball game. the bias from those sources usually come from controlling the parameters of any debate...they limit the range of questioning and choose 'experts' to interview without explaining their expertise...the 'counter-terrorism expert' is a fav. Imo, the sources you mention (CNN/cbs) are amongst the worst you could follow, esp for anything international. Both foreign mainstream, and Indy media (Usually web based if we're talking video) provide a much broader scope of discussion. But I agree! We post sources and discuss the bias and missing info...to me, picking apart the media is half the fun of politics...Jon Stewart made a career of picking apart a single source
I tend to watch or listen to journalist/personalities/Reporters that I like or respect. I love Erin Burnett, she is very fair and in depth.I very much dig and respect Arwa Damon she's of Kurdish descent and covers the Middle East battle zones for CNN.Shes one bad ass chick.Shes the one who found the Diary in Bengazhi,Her Grandfather was the Syrian prime minister years ago. Do you think with the way media is now with must have it now attitude,that some journalists and editors don't fact check as well,don't collaborate stories from sources as well and just try to force feed us a watered down version of what really happened? Journalistic integrity. Is it still the paramount fundamental of reporting a story?
No dude.post whatever you want.from wherever.Its all good,And yes the Article was on target. Im just more of a fan of news sources that aren't overly biased by politics.At least those who make an effort to be neutral. I think CNN,AP,Reuters,CBS are a few who do a good job of equal reporting.The boutique type outlets seem to wear their flags on their sleeve. Truth be told anyone who is engaging in discussion on these issues regardless of position has my respect because at least they are engaged in what's happening.that alone is worthy.
While I may not partake in the same sources as you (and I think am typically fairly left-leaning in both my opinions and the opinions I read), I found that article to be very opinionated as well, to the point that it honestly detracted from the point at hand. Essentially it became an ad hominem attack on character, where I feel the same point could have been made without exaggerated language meant to paint a picture about Geller. This, by the way, is from someone who agrees with the content of the article.
Kyle, this one wasn't a winner article link for me, but most of them are - looking forward to the next one
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Of all the things we could worry about, how far up this list is terrorism? Not real high on my list. Bad drivers on cell phones, not being able to work some day, diseases spread by warming climate, water and other resource shortages, poor air quality, forest fires, earthquakes, random violence, guns guns guns, cancer, guitars that won't stay in tune. If I were to make a list of things to worry about, most of those would top domestic terrorist attacks. Am I deluded or just a realist?
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“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Of all the things we could worry about, how far up this list is terrorism? Not real high on my list. Bad drivers on cell phones, not being able to work some day, diseases spread by warming climate, water and other resource shortages, poor air quality, forest fires, earthquakes, random violence, guns guns guns, cancer, guitars that won't stay in tune. If I were to make a list of things to worry about, most of those would top domestic terrorist attacks. Am I deluded or just a realist?
We all have that list.And yes those should be our day to day worries along with the worries/overthinking about schedule time constraints,our loved ones health,the stock market,And if our favorite team is going to play well in their next game.
But on those wider scoped pesky position issues like global warming,abortion,Nuclear arms treaties,offshore drilling,stem cell research,gun control,terrorism both Foriegn and domestic,etc. It's ok to think about them also.Im not so sure any of us are really worried about these issues as you mentioned above ,we are way more focused on the issues that effect us daily and personally.But these global bigger ticket issues still resonate on our curiosity meter and are indeed worthy of thought,debate and discussion.Hell,without that, how would we ever tackle and find compromise on problem solving those same issues.
Do I worry about more about ISIS during the day more then how I'm going to make all my scheduled meetings work,what I'm going towork at the gym and what I'm having for lunch.no not at all.But I do think about it,Espescially when prompted thru Internet or media.I imagine all of us respond that way as well.
Of all the things we could worry about, how far up this list is terrorism? Not real high on my list. Bad drivers on cell phones, not being able to work some day, diseases spread by warming climate, water and other resource shortages, poor air quality, forest fires, earthquakes, random violence, guns guns guns, cancer, guitars that won't stay in tune. If I were to make a list of things to worry about, most of those would top domestic terrorist attacks. Am I deluded or just a realist?
I'm not worried about it personally, but it bothers me nonetheless.
You could add hundreds of things to that list- it doesn't mean we should be apathetic or indifferent to, in this case, radicalism. The same remark could be made for nearly every topic worthy of discussion.
Where your point is best served is as a reminder to not let the dreariness of some realities alter your personal happiness.
I tend to watch or listen to journalist/personalities/Reporters that I like or respect. I love Erin Burnett, she is very fair and in depth.I very much dig and respect Arwa Damon she's of Kurdish descent and covers the Middle East battle zones for CNN.Shes one bad ass chick.Shes the one who found the Diary in Bengazhi,Her Grandfather was the Syrian prime minister years ago. Do you think with the way media is now with must have it now attitude,that some journalists and editors don't fact check as well,don't collaborate stories from sources as well and just try to force feed us a watered down version of what really happened? Journalistic integrity. Is it still the paramount fundamental of reporting a story?
I think it is...but it's an extremely difficult goal when you have a board of directors, shareholders, and advertisers to answer to. I hate to use pop culture as an example, but i think between the shows House of Cards, and the Newsroom, we get a pretty accurate feel for what reporters are up against as far as getting an honest story published. It can ruin careers by killing access to official sources, and because editors are pressured from above not to implicate certain companies or people. I think you mentioned Gary Webb before...J H Hatfield was played for politics by Karl rove then likely suicided just like Webb (tho he wasn't really a reporter). Exposing govt wrongdoing can even get you convicted in the court of public opinion without trial and accused of treason - ask Chelsea Manning, Julian Assange, Edward Snowden...they were often vilified by the people who should gain the most from them - the press! Without whistleblowers and journalistic integrity, what do we have? Government and corporate propaganda masquerading as news. Without accurate information, we don't have democracy. Hell, the US govt openly campaigned for control of the media, and publicly lobbied hollywood to make pro-military movies following 9/11. They dont even try to hide it. As for fact checking - yes, we are fed watered-down stories....but i don't think it's because the fact checking is not done as well these days. The facts are there and I'm willing to bet that in many cases, these reporters and journalists know they're there, but their corporate overseers and govt liaisons act as the true editors, disallowing certain facts to see the light of day....or on the flip side, telling them to focus on certain stories that will benefit them. This is a much bigger problem at the major networks than at indy/freelance media companies. IMO, the day a reporter takes a job at Fox, CNN, MSNBC, or any of the major networks, they subject themselves to this kind of oversight, and resign to reporting only what they're told to report....so I would be skeptical of their jounralistic integrity before they opened their mouths. I don't know much about Damon, but if she is a middle-east correspondent for CNN, I guaran-fucking-tee I could find a dozen examples of half truths, government positions passed off as fact, and context-less reporting from her in a half hour of googling - if she was involved in Bengazhi, that is a given....the fact that she has political ties in Syria doesn't make me feel any better; that conflict has had more disinformation fed to the public by the mainstream than any world event since the Iraq War. Erin Burnett is Goldman Sachs and Citigroup alum....is this who we wanted covering Occupy Wallstreet? When she tackles the middle east, she does it badly enough that real reporters like Glenn Greenwald write articles about her coverage as an example of how bad reporting can be (not fair, nor in-depth) : http://www.salon.com/2012/02/17/erin_burnett_worst_of_the_worst/ .....note that she controls the parameters of the discussion by speaking to war-mongering politicians and gets zero opposing views - she does not challenge them, only asks leading questions designed to let the politicians spew their bullshit. This is exactly how we ended up conned into Iraq....
No dude.post whatever you want.from wherever.Its all good,And yes the Article was on target. Im just more of a fan of news sources that aren't overly biased by politics.At least those who make an effort to be neutral. I think CNN,AP,Reuters,CBS are a few who do a good job of equal reporting.The boutique type outlets seem to wear their flags on their sleeve. Truth be told anyone who is engaging in discussion on these issues regardless of position has my respect because at least they are engaged in what's happening.that alone is worthy.
While I may not partake in the same sources as you (and I think am typically fairly left-leaning in both my opinions and the opinions I read), I found that article to be very opinionated as well, to the point that it honestly detracted from the point at hand. Essentially it became an ad hominem attack on character, where I feel the same point could have been made without exaggerated language meant to paint a picture about Geller. This, by the way, is from someone who agrees with the content of the article.
Kyle, this one wasn't a winner article link for me, but most of them are - looking forward to the next one
What can I say....I was relaying the story about the FBI warning - I looked but couldn't find any coverage of it aside from the alternet and brietbart pieces (which I found weird, but honestly I didn't care enough to keep looking)....I opted with the first one I saw because I'm no fan of Pam Gellar myself....
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i have a better chance of getting killed by one of them than i do the muslim ones.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
For better or worse, I took joy in seeing him hogtied.
Im not refrencing homegrown terror.But lately that has also been islamic supporters as much as dumb christian rednecks.
And make no mistake the assholes in ISIS are doing a fine job demonizing themselves with all these acr of terror.
I love how some here fail to acknowledge the growing issue with radical islam.thats cool im sure its israels and the conservatives fault anyway.
honest question for you rr. when was the last time a muslim did anything that could be considered an act of terrorism in the continental united states? how recently? i guaranfuckintee you there have been way more wackadoo christian terrorist attacks here on american soil than there have been muslim ones. and yet everyone fears the islamic ones. why is that?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Or do you think there are people out there within ISIS' reach that feel as if the last thing they need is assistance of any form?
I agree with your assessment of radical Christian threat potential.
I truly am not worried about IsIS attacking Jupiter Fl.But I'd be lying if I didn't think about them wanting and trying to attack soft targets.And you can't tell me that isn't a relevant concern.Maybe not at the hands of a Toyota pick up full of terrorists but at the hands of a some disenfranchised American sympathizer who has daddy issues and wants to be part of the big leagues.I have children who take public transportation in NYC daily.Do I keep that in the back of my mind? You fucking bet.
Two weeks ago a Isis loving douche bag shot up a recruitment office,a few weeks before that 2 Muslims radicals tried to shoot up a convention.Daily plots are foiled.Its happening all around you.But that really isn't my concern.My issue is the continued displays of violence on soft and innocent targets around the world.We should have learned during WW2 not to turn a blind eye to these kinds of things.
I've said many times I have no issue with Muslims and I make it clear when describing the bad ones as radicals or fundamentalists.Any fundamentalist or hardline religion that kills in the name of,is dangerous.Im critical of certain Israeli actions,Russian actions,etc as well.
But radical muslimism and Islamic fundamentalist values(the backwards sexist,rascist,values) and this ridiculous Caliphate bullshit is something that needs to be kept in check.Not because of what they want to believe but because they want to hurt,kill,name others to push their agenda.And that is not ok.So Fuck em.They are no better then human pieces of shit.
Don't go there. "It's Bad For Ya"!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
my girlfriend is in jupiter right now for the next few weeks. her family has a nice condo there. she said that the confederate and pro life and open carry crazies and the anti obama sympathizers/fringe republican supporters are at a fever pitch in the area. i would be way more concerned about them than muslims if i were you. these are the people with the legal guns, with the motive, and with the entire propaganda network called fox news whipping them into a frenzy right now. these are the people with the motive as well. they are the ones with people immigrating to the area and taking the jobs that none of the natives want to do. they are the ones listening to trump and beating up illegal immigrants who take the jobs that the natives are too proud to do.
exactly what did we turn a blind eye to in world war II? and what should we have learned?
you can feel free to call the muslims human pieces of shit. to me though, anybody who practices any religion who is intent to do harm unto others are the same pieces of shit.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I do 100% agree with your point that any religion that wants to hurt others fall into the same piece of shit category.
My WW2 reference was in regards to the slow response and Late involvement from western countries while the Third Riech was running rough shot on Eastern Europe.We were acting as if the Holocaust was not happening(the blind eye) until political pressure forced our hand.
What we should have learned is to never again let any person,country,or government use religion,race,sexual orientation for or against others.If these same entities want to exterminate groups of people(I'm not talking only about the Jews) then we must stand up and fight back for what is right.We don't just get to cherry pick what is just,we must as protect those that can't protect themselves.regardless of the conflict or country.Isnt that what your very passionate stance as being anti Israel is about? Let's not be a hypocrite.
Let me be perfectly clear.The religious right in this country is a fucking goofy ass cult if you ask me.I have no problem with faith,but when you use the bible(stories written by man) as law that's fucked up.They are part of the problem I agree,Espescially in American Politics.Some of the thoughts and words that come out of their mouths is so assinine if I didn't know these folks were serious I'd think it was comedy improv.
Now for the Important stuff.I shoulda caught the St.Louis/Jupiter connection.My bad.You fuckers invade our quiet town in droves in the winter/Spring.
Obviously your GF parents have great taste in where they live.But I don't think you really accurately described Jupiter.
You are correct we are very Republican,but not uptight,Religous right is everywhere but it's not out front here.The beach,fishing,sports and entertainment rule the roost.
If religion wants to get in the way it gets pushed aside.West of town we do have plenty of rednecks,you will see a rebel flag or 2,but it's not like it was in 70s and 80s.The whole middle part of our state is rural and with that comes Tractors,country music,churches and fried food,lol but it's the south,what do expect.Our big cities are not rednecky they are the opposite.Shit,we have sexy cities in South Fl.Palm Beach,Miami,Tampa,Ft.Lauderdale,Naples just money,Amenities, and half naked people.
My main concern to be honest is the local crime that rears its head from our version of Ferguson.
Rivera Beach and The hood part of West Palm.Those areas are way worse then Freguson or East St.Louis.Multiple shootings and Murders every night.Heavy drug and gang activity by some ignorant fucking people.Those 2 areas and criminals driving up from Dade county to break in to houses and businesses and violently robbing folks.If it sounds like I'm being racial I'm not trying to be its just 85% or more of our violent crimes originate or have ties to those areas.Thats just a fact here.
So yeah there are a lot of gun owners.
Now to show you My southern Hospitality,next time you join her for a visit,pm me and Drinks will be on me.We can debate these hefty issues the proper way. At a bar with plenty of good music,food and drinks.We like to have fun down here.
In fact tell your GF to head to Too Bizarre in Harbouside(By Tigers new Restaruant) for some drinks and sushi.We hang there a lot.She will love it.If she is going pm me and I will text my close friends who tend bar there Justin and Katrina they will hook her up for sure.
Also, currently watching the press conference with the three young men. What fine and humble human beings.
Thank You
there will always be rascist assholes everywhere.
now lets address the source.WOW,could you have a picked a more biased source material.Its oozing with distain for the other side and based on some of the side stories,its clearly aimed at a republican hating ,police hating, ultra liberal,black lives matter constituency.Id put as much stock in that news as I would Fox on the other side.Very leading fluffy fear mongering stuff,just delivered in a far left package.
This is the second time I've been called out for posting an Alternet link in a week or so. Are there any legit Indy media sites out there? Dailykos, dailybeast, salon, counterpunch, democracynow, truth-out, commondreams etc...all crap? Those sites are big enough, with enough contributors to almost be considered mainstream. What about foreign commercial media? All propaganda, right? Is only mainstream US media legit? Please provide me with a list of your acceptable sources....
I am acutely aware that critical thought is required regardless of source, because all sources have a bias first from the author, and second from the editor. In the case of the train, there is also the bias of the person relaying the message to consider. I think you all know my politics well enough...I have leftist beliefs but never give the supposed left politicians any slack. I make an effort to find more than one source and if necessary, 'the other side'. I can't say the same for most fox watchers. One thing I do not do is follow ANY mainstream sources.
Im just more of a fan of news sources that aren't overly biased by politics.At least those who make an effort to be neutral.
I think CNN,AP,Reuters,CBS are a few who do a good job of equal reporting.The boutique type outlets seem to wear their flags on their sleeve.
Truth be told anyone who is engaging in discussion on these issues regardless of position has my respect because at least they are engaged in what's happening.that alone is worthy.
As a Non partisan Moderate I need a little less drama in my reporting.That goes for the left and the right.
Thats why CNN and CBS are my go to stations.But with any reporting I always have my bullshit and bias meter on and ready.lol As drowned said above "you must use Critical Thought" with all reporting.
I think neutrality is pretty rare. The thing with the sources you mention is that they are less in depth and they rarely mention sources for anything controversial. I saw Robert Fisk speak a couple years ago...he read an article, I think from the NYT, highlighting the number of instances they quoted sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity, or 'government officials said', or 'sourcse said', or whatever...it was scary how many times it was done in this one article - basically written by an unnamed source, passed off as honest reporting. it is representative of the depth of most print journalism that comes out of the sources you mentioned. If there are any political stories that name names, the quotes are double speak, and party lines - cliches on par with pro athlete post game interviews. Half the time Reuters, and AP don't even tell you who the author is! It's straight up spoon fed govt bullshit. I'd much rather read opinion pieces or investigative reporting that name names, trusting my instincts in regards to bias, or when to fact check or follow up...the sites I listed have a lot of that kind of content. And to be honest, I don't know the ownership structures of all of them - they could be corp fed too. Totally possible. We know vice was incorporated into murdochs empire years ago. So I try to pay attention to the individual reporters as well.
TV / video media is a whole other ball game. the bias from those sources usually come from controlling the parameters of any debate...they limit the range of questioning and choose 'experts' to interview without explaining their expertise...the 'counter-terrorism expert' is a fav. Imo, the sources you mention (CNN/cbs) are amongst the worst you could follow, esp for anything international. Both foreign mainstream, and Indy media (Usually web based if we're talking video) provide a much broader scope of discussion.
But I agree! We post sources and discuss the bias and missing info...to me, picking apart the media is half the fun of politics...Jon Stewart made a career of picking apart a single source
I love Erin Burnett, she is very fair and in depth.I very much dig and respect Arwa Damon she's of Kurdish descent and covers the Middle East battle zones for CNN.Shes one bad ass chick.Shes the one who found the Diary in Bengazhi,Her Grandfather was the Syrian prime minister years ago.
Do you think with the way media is now with must have it now attitude,that some journalists and editors don't fact check as well,don't collaborate stories from sources as well and just try to force feed us a watered down version of what really happened? Journalistic integrity. Is it still the paramount fundamental of reporting a story?
Kyle, this one wasn't a winner article link for me, but most of them are - looking forward to the next one
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But on those wider scoped pesky position issues like global warming,abortion,Nuclear arms treaties,offshore drilling,stem cell research,gun control,terrorism both Foriegn and domestic,etc.
It's ok to think about them also.Im not so sure any of us are really worried about these issues as you mentioned above ,we are way more focused on the issues that effect us daily and personally.But these global bigger ticket issues still resonate on our curiosity meter and are indeed worthy of thought,debate and discussion.Hell,without that, how would we ever tackle and find compromise on problem solving those same issues.
Do I worry about more about ISIS during the day more then how I'm going to make all my scheduled meetings work,what I'm going towork at the gym and what I'm having for lunch.no not at all.But I do think about it,Espescially when prompted thru Internet or media.I imagine all of us respond that way as well.
You could add hundreds of things to that list- it doesn't mean we should be apathetic or indifferent to, in this case, radicalism. The same remark could be made for nearly every topic worthy of discussion.
Where your point is best served is as a reminder to not let the dreariness of some realities alter your personal happiness.
As for fact checking - yes, we are fed watered-down stories....but i don't think it's because the fact checking is not done as well these days. The facts are there and I'm willing to bet that in many cases, these reporters and journalists know they're there, but their corporate overseers and govt liaisons act as the true editors, disallowing certain facts to see the light of day....or on the flip side, telling them to focus on certain stories that will benefit them. This is a much bigger problem at the major networks than at indy/freelance media companies. IMO, the day a reporter takes a job at Fox, CNN, MSNBC, or any of the major networks, they subject themselves to this kind of oversight, and resign to reporting only what they're told to report....so I would be skeptical of their jounralistic integrity before they opened their mouths. I don't know much about Damon, but if she is a middle-east correspondent for CNN, I guaran-fucking-tee I could find a dozen examples of half truths, government positions passed off as fact, and context-less reporting from her in a half hour of googling - if she was involved in Bengazhi, that is a given....the fact that she has political ties in Syria doesn't make me feel any better; that conflict has had more disinformation fed to the public by the mainstream than any world event since the Iraq War.
Erin Burnett is Goldman Sachs and Citigroup alum....is this who we wanted covering Occupy Wallstreet? When she tackles the middle east, she does it badly enough that real reporters like Glenn Greenwald write articles about her coverage as an example of how bad reporting can be (not fair, nor in-depth) : http://www.salon.com/2012/02/17/erin_burnett_worst_of_the_worst/ .....note that she controls the parameters of the discussion by speaking to war-mongering politicians and gets zero opposing views - she does not challenge them, only asks leading questions designed to let the politicians spew their bullshit. This is exactly how we ended up conned into Iraq....