Politcal correctness run amuck

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riotgrl said:

Godfather. said:

riotgrl said:

I always felt that political correctness was really a way to express respect for people that are different than I am. Nothing wrong with having empathy for other peoples' feelings about an issue even if I can't understand the depth of their feelings about the matter.

that's a good honest way to look at things.
to me PC is always one sided, one group emposing thier views on another but that is also a never ending circle on anybodys side uaslly.

Godfather.

I understand that feeling. When I take the long view of history then it seems like it has been from the perspective (usually, not always) of white men. It kind of negates the contributions and feelings of other groups. I am definitely speaking from the perspective of a woman when I say that women have made history and contributed greatly but are often marginalized when we study/remember history. So if we have a women's history month then at least there is a beginning of some acknowledgment of these contributions. I often hear the comment from my students "why isn't there a white history month?" Why? Because every single day that I teach US history, it is primarily from the perspective of whites. It can be disheartening to spend every day hearing things from another person's perspective without any acknowledgment of the contributions of other groups. I think when that evens out then we will see less of what you are describing.

you just helped to understand some things, thank you.

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callen

Bentleyspop said:

Without even opening the thread I knew it was a Godfather production

We are very fortunate to have Godfather hang with us.

hedonist

riotgrl, I do get your points and am with you.

Empathy aside (actually, empathy included!), I'm just not down with the over-stepping of common sense. Yes, things change and views evolve - thankfully so - but some of these PC actions and words strike me as egotistical, as bids for popularity, as not necessarily genuine.

Reminds me of Carlin's bit about words...the evolution of the term shell-shock comes to mind.

And callen, agreed!

HesCalledDyer

Apparently Orangemen was too offensive. Did anyone actually know what the fuck an Orangeman was to seriously be offended by it enough for the school to change the name?

riotgrl

hedonist said:

riotgrl, I do get your points and am with you.

Empathy aside (actually, empathy included!), I'm just not down with the over-stepping of common sense. Yes, things change and views evolve - thankfully so - but some of these PC actions and words strike me as egotistical, as bids for popularity, as not necessarily genuine.

Reminds me of Carlin's bit about words...the evolution of the term shell-shock comes to mind.

And callen, agreed!

Yes, agreed! We need more people willing to have the hard conversations (like here!) and find common ground.

Gern Blansten

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tom-petty-confederate-flag-reaction

Tom Petty seems to agree with the message

InHiding80

I'm a Rams fan so I don't give two shits anyways.

Last-12-Exit

I'm friends with a bear and he hates that chicago has been allowed to call their team the bears for 80 years. What pisses them off even more is the cubs. It offends their babies. That bear also knows a couple of horses and they plan on filing lawsuits against the Colts for defamation. Especially after that blow out loss to the patriots in the playoffs last year.

Godfather.

Last-12-Exit said:

I'm friends with a bear and he hates that chicago has been allowed to call their team the bears for 80 years. What pisses them off even more is the cubs. It offends their babies. That bear also knows a couple of horses and they plan on filing lawsuits against the Colts for defamation. Especially after that blow out loss to the patriots in the playoffs last year.

HAHHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA nailed it !

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Dirtie_Frank

brianlux said:

Too bad really because this kind of thing detracts from legitimate protests over names like "Redskins" or "Indians" etc. which are not politically correct issues but rather issues of real racism. But I suppose I spoil the joke, huh?

Is Redskins racist to everyone?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-arizona-a-navajo-high-school-emerges-as-a-defender-of-the-washington-redskins/2014/10/26/dcfc773a-592b-11e4-8264-deed989ae9a2_story.html

muskydan

Last-12-Exit said:

I'm friends with a bear and he hates that chicago has been allowed to call their team the bears for 80 years. What pisses them off even more is the cubs. It offends their babies. That bear also knows a couple of horses and they plan on filing lawsuits against the Colts for defamation. Especially after that blow out loss to the patriots in the playoffs last year.

Brilliant stuff there

brianlux

Dirtie_Frank said:

brianlux said:

Too bad really because this kind of thing detracts from legitimate protests over names like "Redskins" or "Indians" etc. which are not politically correct issues but rather issues of real racism. But I suppose I spoil the joke, huh?

Is Redskins racist to everyone?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-arizona-a-navajo-high-school-emerges-as-a-defender-of-the-washington-redskins/2014/10/26/dcfc773a-592b-11e4-8264-deed989ae9a2_story.html

Undoubtedly! There are also African Americans who fly the Confederate flag. There are always exceptions to every rule (so to speak).

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Dirtie_Frank said:

brianlux said:

Too bad really because this kind of thing detracts from legitimate protests over names like "Redskins" or "Indians" etc. which are not politically correct issues but rather issues of real racism. But I suppose I spoil the joke, huh?

Is Redskins racist to everyone?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-arizona-a-navajo-high-school-emerges-as-a-defender-of-the-washington-redskins/2014/10/26/dcfc773a-592b-11e4-8264-deed989ae9a2_story.html

well in my opinion the whole protest over these sports teams names is a joke.

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josevolution

I don't think any of us can really understand how most native Americans feel about this issue since none of us are native Americans at all ...you really have to walk in their shoes to get a true perspective

Gern Blansten

yeah equating redskins=native americans to cubs=bears is ridiculous

JimmyV

The stubborn, heels dug in resistance to changing the Redskins name by Daniel Snyder continues to make no sense.

Change the name --> change the uniforms --> earn goodwill and good publicity --> sell new jerseys and merchandise to people --> make more money. What is he resisting for?

callen

josevolution said:

I don't think any of us can really understand how most native Americans feel about this issue since none of us are native Americans at all ...you really have to walk in their shoes to get a true perspective

And really shouldn't we give the native Americans a break. I mean we slaughtered them and took their land. Least we can do.

I'm a Skins fan and have always thought it was based on their fighting skills. And who knows maybe a name change may change their success rate.

Gern Blansten

I still think they could keep the logo and call themselves the "Warriors"....nothing offensive there

callen

Gern Blansten said:

I still think they could keep the logo and call themselves the "Warriors"....nothing offensive there

Good compromise

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JimmyV said:

The stubborn, heels dug in resistance to changing the Redskins name by Daniel Snyder continues to make no sense.

Change the name --> change the uniforms --> earn goodwill and good publicity --> sell new jerseys and merchandise to people --> make more money. What is he resisting for?

It makes plenty of sense when you consider the fans that don't want to change it probably outweighs the fans that dont.