"Friday of Terror"

rr165892

Yeah I'm not seeing what's being missed Nart.What are we not seeing.

badbrains

Nothing at all, carry on

badbrains

Bare with me. Some estimates have 500,000 dead Iraqis since the invasion 10 years ago. That's 50,000 killed on average every year for 10 years. Which equates to 137 killed each day. So you could basically say there's a "Friday of terror" everyday in iraq. But I know, we're not supposed to care or talk about the past or what led to all this shit that's happening over there. Or who's fault it is. What were supposed to talk about over and over is how bad Muslims are. Or how it's their fault. God forbid we actually talk about the "truth."

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^
Regardless of how isis was created, they seem to favor this allah guy and strict shia law.
Apostasy in muslim religion is punished by death right?
So the isis threat that they won't stop until the world is on it's knees bowing to allah is laughable at best let alone sickening.

Ask anyone muslim or not, what the punishment for apostasy is.

badbrains

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
Regardless of how isis was created, they seem to favor this allah guy and strict shia law.
Apostasy in muslim religion is punished by death right?
So the isis threat that they won't stop until the world is on it's knees bowing to allah is laughable at best let alone sickening.

Ask anyone muslim or not, what the punishment for apostasy is.

Ya we all already know Islam is bad. Evil. Devil cult.

Isis can't even take over Iraq, a country the size of jersey and you're here scared that they're gonna reach the west and have us all bow down to them.

Edit- "regardless how Isis was created", how about STOP funding them. Is that too much to ask?

badbrains

And you do know that during the Inquisition, apostasy in Christianity was punished by death. And in the bible it states that. But please, go on, shit some more on Islam. Why not. It's the new hipster movement.

PJfanwillneverleave1

I am not shitting on islam.
I am shitting on religion.
I am not hipster. Just seems the flavor of the day is that isis wants the world to listen to them.

badbrains

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

I am not shitting on islam.
I am shitting on religion.
I am not hipster. Just seems the flavor of the day is that isis wants the world to listen to them.

Of course that's the flavor of the day/year. It's their agenda to make it the flavor or talk of the town. Again, on average 137 Iraqis die every day in Iraq since the invasion. But people (not you) people in general, are all up in arms when a Muslim kills 24 people in Tunisia. I posted a link from Glenn greenwald that basically everyone ignored. As long as the Muslims are the boogeyman, cobra, decepticons, etc, this will be played on the tube over and over again.

And pjfan, I don't mean to single u out on this. It's just getting old. Everyday the same shit being programmed to dumb down the masses. Don't take offense at my post. I don't want you to think I'm pissed at u and I'm singling you out. Been a long day. I apologize if you feel I'm singling you out. Not my intentions.

JimmyV

I've lost count of how many times over the years on this board the valid and correct point has been made that the actions of these murdering psychopaths does not indict all Muslims, does not reflect the views of all Muslims, does not condemn all Muslims, etc. This thread is no different.

When a guy drives up to a beach and starts executing tourists, it isn't the media making Muslims look bad. Nor is it threads like this. Four separate attacks on Friday morning before most of us had even woken up and we're not supposed to talk about it?

Personally I wouldn't use the term death cult even though it may accurately describe some fundamentalists. Nor would I accuse anyone of defending ISIS even though I do understand how some posts could be taken that way.

I just think there is a rush sometimes to defend all Muslims when only specific Muslims (in this case the guy on the beach, the attackers at the mosque, the beheader at the gas plant) are being singled out. I think implying that singling these murderers out is somehow bigotry or fear mongering is just incorrect.

Hope that makes sense.

PJfanwillneverleave1

badbrains said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

I am not shitting on islam.
I am shitting on religion.
I am not hipster. Just seems the flavor of the day is that isis wants the world to listen to them.

Of course that's the flavor of the day/year. It's their agenda to make it the flavor or talk of the town. Again, on average 137 Iraqis die every day in Iraq since the invasion. But people (not you) people in general, are all up in arms when a Muslim kills 24 people in Tunisia. I posted a link from Glenn greenwald that basically everyone ignored. As long as the Muslims are the boogeyman, cobra, decepticons, etc, this will be played on the tube over and over again.

And pjfan, I don't mean to single u out on this. It's just getting old. Everyday the same shit being programmed to dumb down the masses. Don't take offense at my post. I don't want you to think I'm pissed at u and I'm singling you out. Been a long day. I apologize if you feel I'm singling you out. Not my intentions.

No offense taken at all man.
I have opinions just like you do.
When religious people speak I speak back.

benjs

Nart, please bear with me here. You are bringing up that apostasy was punishable by death by the Christians in the Inquisition as though it justifies modern apostasy at the hands of Islamic extremists (again, not Muslims - Islamic extremists - as different and separate as any two religions). At the same time, we are living happily and freely in North America while our indigenous suffered seizure of land, arguable ethnic cleansing, and humiliation, and then condemning Israel's doing the same a hundred years after.

So, this does beg the question: why are some actions relative to the era in which they occur, but not all? Especially when they both represent the same themes - themes of murder, of deceit, of inappropriate seizure of territory and freedom, of betrayal of basic humanities?

Believe me, I'm all too sensitive to the dehumanization of sects of people. I've cried at the killing fields in Cambodia, I've been inundated with graphic reminders of the Holocaust. And most recently: I am witnessing an abysmal and disgusting media effort to equate Muslims with beasts. But you should know that those of us with an iota of intelligence can see that an Islamic extremist and a Muslim are as separate as they can be: hence, it is acceptable and feasible not to focus on diminishing their negative value, while calling for the acceptance of Muslims (something that is sorely and horrifyingly lacking). I don't put all my eggs into one basket when I decide what I support in my life and what I refute, but the themes are always there (so I guess that makes me an idealist, which for some reason is coined a negative term from time to time).

As for those of us without an iota of intelligence: I call them bigots, and don't think they're worth either of our words or thought, let alone the air that they breathe. And I mean that - if they rotted in a hole instead of those in the killing fields or crematoriums in Nazi Germany, the global landscape would look very different. Even with the self-serving actions of the US, which would have likely never transpired if not for the bigots who call every Muslim they see Osama, etc.

badbrains

Apostasy in any religion is wrong. We aren't God to be the judge, jury and executioners.

Jason P

I don't know why it is offensive to point out that there are a bunch of maniac psychopathic mass murderers on the the loose. The community needs to step forward and tell them to knock this shit off instead of saying its a small percentage that has radicalized.

The US had a dipshit confederate flag waving moron kill a bunch of people and we collectively said, "Hey, Knock that stupid shit off!" .... And we are. And we are working on it. We realized there is a huge problem (only took a century or so), but at least there is action on motion.

PJfanwillneverleave1

badbrains said:

Apostasy in any religion is wrong. We aren't God to be the judge, jury and executioners.

Apostasy happens.
It is wrong to kill you because of it.

badbrains

Jason P said:

I don't know why it is offensive to point out that there are a bunch of maniac psychopathic mass murderers on the the loose. The community needs to step forward and tell them to knock this shit off instead of saying its a small percentage that has radicalized.

The US had a dipshit confederate flag waving moron kill a bunch of people and we collectively said, "Hey, Knock that stupid shit off!" .... And we are. And we are working on it. We realized there is a huge problem (only took a century or so), but at least there is action on motion.

Who says no ones not Jay? Does our media show us everything? Tell us everything? People have to look for themselves. Cuz there's a ton of Muslims in high places telling them to knock it off. There's Muslims that are actually fighting them as we speak. But it's a real tough fight when a certain country keeps arming them, supporting them. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Let the Arabs in the region handle it. Step away and sincerely allow them to handle it. You don't think that if America walked away with IS as it is, the Arab nations in the area wouldn't take them on? Really? Think about it. They're gonna allow a group of 75,000 take over the entire region and then make their way across the ocean to the west? It sounds like a Hollywood movie directed by Michael Bay. Those Arab leaders and nations would be forced to step up and take them on for fear of losing their power and money. It's common sense. My history teacher in 11th grade, Mr. Hayes couldn't emphasize critical thinking to all of us enough. Once people start to realize the game, it becomes obvious the motives and agenda blah blah blah, I know I'm riddling again. I'm just saying, info is out there. People can find the answers. They just might not like what they find.

benjs

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

badbrains said:

Apostasy in any religion is wrong. We aren't God to be the judge, jury and executioners.

Apostasy happens.
It is wrong to kill you because of it.

Pretty sure Nart meant that killing for apostasy in any religion is wrong.

PJfanwillneverleave1

benjs said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

badbrains said:

Apostasy in any religion is wrong. We aren't God to be the judge, jury and executioners.

Apostasy happens.
It is wrong to kill you because of it.

Pretty sure Nart meant that killing for apostasy in any religion is wrong.

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Apostasy is not wrong at all is the statement that I was responding to.
It is merely someone who renounces their current faith for another or none at all.
I said that killing for apostasy is wrong.
Apostasy happens - it is not wrong.

hedonist

It hit me today (well, more than usual) that every day is a day of terror, somewhere.

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^
How so?

hedonist

How so - in timing or the conclusion drawn?

The former, brought on by conversations and circumstance.

Latter by the news. Such horrors, hate, the inconceivable to me, that some have no compunction about treating fellow human beings with such...disregard.

Interesting that as I write this, listening to APC's cover of Joni Mitchell's Fiddle and the Drum.

Trade the handshake for the fist...seems so.