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"Friday of Terror"

JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
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Rough numbers below and parts of the Western hemisphere are just waking up. There could be more to come.

147 killed in Kobani
27 killed in Tunisia
24 killed in Kuwait
1 killed in France
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  • ShawshankShawshank Posts: 1,018
    I don't know what people expect. The only thing surprising about that list is that the US is not on it...yet. But we...as a country...will look on as these numbers grow...and no one does anything about it...and then suddenly be shocked when some major event happens here. We made our bed...we fed these guys, we armed these guys, we supported these guys, we pissed them off, and ALL they want to do is kill and destroy. They will never be happy until they have annihilated the Western world and every representative of it. But maybe if they're lucky, the folks here in this country will continue to worry more about what the Kardashians are doing, and ignore the clock that is counting down. Make no mistake...we are the ultimate target...and when these animals really hit us, it is going to make 9/11 look like a minor fender bender.
  • Indifference71Indifference71 Posts: 14,844
    Shawshank said:

    I don't know what people expect. The only thing surprising about that list is that the US is not on it...yet. But we...as a country...will look on as these numbers grow...and no one does anything about it...and then suddenly be shocked when some major event happens here. We made our bed...we fed these guys, we armed these guys, we supported these guys, we pissed them off, and ALL they want to do is kill and destroy. They will never be happy until they have annihilated the Western world and every representative of it. But maybe if they're lucky, the folks here in this country will continue to worry more about what the Kardashians are doing, and ignore the clock that is counting down. Make no mistake...we are the ultimate target...and when these animals really hit us, it is going to make 9/11 look like a minor fender bender.

    So you think we as a country aren't doing anything about it? Our government and military/intelligence is doing nothing about this??? It's clear the US is the ultimate target, but to say we are doing nothing about it seems like a stretch.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    VICE produced an interesting episode on the growing discontent among the Islamist faction in France and the growing hostilities between the people there.

    ISIS militants insist they are not stopping until they have succeeded in Sharia Law across the planet.

    The situation is tricky: clearly extremists need to be dealt with, however every time extremists are dealt with... moderates fill the void.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    40 Americans were murdered yesterday by other Americans.

    92 were killed in car accidents yesterday.

    How many Muslims killed by western bombs in last 10 years?

    All relative and I don't concern myself with fear.

    Now getting in my car, different story.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    The Islamic State is a bad horror movie that came to life. If you tried to pitch the story to Hollywood, about hundreds of thousands of normal people around the world suddenly that turn into killing machines, maybe the SyFy channel would consider making it into a movie.

    Can you imagine considering yourself sane and opening up fire on a bunch of people chilling on a beach???
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/24/greatest-obstacle-anti-muslim-fear-mongering-bigotry-reality/
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    edited June 2015
    Jason P said:

    The Islamic State is a bad horror movie that came to life. If you tried to pitch the story to Hollywood, about hundreds of thousands of normal people around the world suddenly that turn into killing machines, maybe the SyFy channel would consider making it into a movie.

    Can you imagine considering yourself sane and opening up fire on a bunch of people chilling on a beach???

    Or dropping bombs on civilians and saying oops sorry collateral damage.

    And we created ISIS. Hope the movie has a prologue.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    callen said:

    40 Americans were murdered yesterday by other Americans.

    92 were killed in car accidents yesterday.

    How many Muslims killed by western bombs in last 10 years?

    All relative and I don't concern myself with fear.

    Now getting in my car, different story.

    How many people on that beach didn't concern themselves with fear, either? In that mosque?

    I've been trying to decide which is worse: That these four incidents might be connected and all part of the same attack, or that four different individuals/groups in four different places chose four different places to attack for similar reasons...and there are so many of these attacks that they could just coincidentally occur on the same day.

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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    edited June 2015
    It's easy to say this is about bigotry and fear-mongering. We've moved way past that. Immediately shrugging one's shoulders and giving the tired "Yeah, but, America..." response is no different than dismissing Israeli actions by saying "Yeah, but, terrorism..."
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    callen said:

    40 Americans were murdered yesterday by other Americans.

    92 were killed in car accidents yesterday.

    How many Muslims killed by western bombs in last 10 years?

    All relative and I don't concern myself with fear.

    Now getting in my car, different story.

    Old age and natural causes get us too. It doesn't trivialize a radical group of religious idiots that think beheading people is cool.

    I'm aware that the sun's rays can harm me, but that doesn't keep me from going outside. I'm also aware that there are freaks out there that like to lop off people's heads as they bow to a God- this doesn't make me 'afraid' either.

    Recognizing threats for what they are is not a practice reserved for the meek and insecure.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    callen said:

    Jason P said:

    The Islamic State is a bad horror movie that came to life. If you tried to pitch the story to Hollywood, about hundreds of thousands of normal people around the world suddenly that turn into killing machines, maybe the SyFy channel would consider making it into a movie.

    Can you imagine considering yourself sane and opening up fire on a bunch of people chilling on a beach???

    Or dropping bombs on civilians and saying oops sorry collateral damage.

    And we created ISIS. Hope the movie has a prologue.
    The situation is circular. I won't dispute that the US has a major hand in the current ISIS situation; however, each horrific ISIS incident contributes to the anti-Islamic sentiments that help perpetuate the cycle of intolerance and violence.

    Who backs off first? And what happens when one side backs off first? This is a really messy situation.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    edited June 2015
    Some good thoughts here 30b and Jimmy,It is a big cycle of hate and death for sure.

    Cal,we need to deal with what it is the here and now and not look back at what created the origins of this group.We are well past the whos to blame stage.We can't have a group of people with no respect for life running around creating terror on anyone who dosent agree with their twisted view on religion.

    As IS Ramps up its violence and recruiting methods we get closer to the day when they hit the right target at the right time and it causes a tipping point.Much like the Flag issue in SC and how that snowballed into new action.This is going to get messy.

    Nart,I think that as most of us normal ,clear thinking people can differentiate between extremist activities and the views of people who worship in peace.That goes for all religions.
    But There is an element fueled by fear and bigotry that will also show itself and continue to lump many good in with the bad.
    I feel for the position you and many others BB ,are put in,defending your faith against those who pervert it and at the same time fending off stupid bigotry by those who cannot differentiate.

    I have that episode of Vice DVRed.I guess it's time to watch it.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Any war has collateral damage. It sucks. But to excuse ISIS as a result of collateral damage is major fucking bullshit. This is Insane Clown Posse on drugs behavior.

    Sticking dudes in a metal cage and slowly dropping them into a lake is not collateral damage.

    Setting dudes on fire in a metal cage is not collateral damage.

    Blowing dudes heads off with Running Man explosive neck rings is not collateral damage.

    Shooting kids and grandparents while the are enjoying a day on the beach is not collateral damage.

    I still find it odd that liberal people defend ISIS even though they represent "what if the Neocons somehow mutated and became 1000 times worse".
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    edited June 2015
    Will the liberal person here who defends ISIS please stand up so we'll know who you are... assuming there is such a person here.

    Sorry Jason, I just don't see that happening here.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    brianlux said:

    Will the liberal person here who defends ISIS please stand up so we'll know who you are... assuming there is such a person here.

    Sorry Jason, I just don't see that happening here.

    Although a 'defence' might not be the most accurate descriptor... 6 or 7 posts ago there seemed to be a semblance of one. If you wanted to pour through the other threads, there are many just like it.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    brianlux said:

    Will the liberal person here who defends ISIS please stand up so we'll know who you are... assuming there is such a person here.

    Sorry Jason, I just don't see that happening here.

    Although a 'defence' might not be the most accurate descriptor... 6 or 7 posts ago there seemed to be a semblance of one. If you wanted to pour through the other threads, there are many just like it.
    Defending ISIS? Even a semblance of defense? You guys are really stretching for an argument, haha.

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    edited June 2015
    JimmyV said:

    It's easy to say this is about bigotry and fear-mongering. We've moved way past that. Immediately shrugging one's shoulders and giving the tired "Yeah, but, America..." response is no different than dismissing Israeli actions by saying "Yeah, but, terrorism..."

    I agree.
    Seems like people are just burned out. I don't think they are desensitized so much as they are weary.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    brianlux said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    brianlux said:

    Will the liberal person here who defends ISIS please stand up so we'll know who you are... assuming there is such a person here.

    Sorry Jason, I just don't see that happening here.

    Although a 'defence' might not be the most accurate descriptor... 6 or 7 posts ago there seemed to be a semblance of one. If you wanted to pour through the other threads, there are many just like it.
    Defending ISIS? Even a semblance of defense? You guys are really stretching for an argument, haha.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the US is beyond reproach, however the enthusiasm and methodology ISIS demonstrates as they pursue their goals makes me think they can own their behaviours without attempts to seemingly justify or legitimize their motivation.
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    I think it's comical people don't see what's really going on. All the info out there in the world and people choose not to see.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    badbrains said:

    I think it's comical people don't see what's really going on. All the info out there in the world and people choose not to see.

    In Tunisia, some guy drove up to a private beach with an AK-47 and killed a bunch of defenceless men, women and children who were sunbathing. Islamic State exclaimed it was behind the attack and has urged followers to 'step up assaults' during Ramadan and that the world can expect lots of other surprises.

    In the context of this thread, exactly what info should people be accessing so that they might see things more clearly? More importantly, what is it they should be seeing?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Yeah I'm not seeing what's being missed Nart.What are we not seeing.
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Nothing at all, carry on
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Bare with me. Some estimates have 500,000 dead Iraqis since the invasion 10 years ago. That's 50,000 killed on average every year for 10 years. Which equates to 137 killed each day. So you could basically say there's a "Friday of terror" everyday in iraq. But I know, we're not supposed to care or talk about the past or what led to all this shit that's happening over there. Or who's fault it is. What were supposed to talk about over and over is how bad Muslims are. Or how it's their fault. God forbid we actually talk about the "truth."
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    Regardless of how isis was created, they seem to favor this allah guy and strict shia law.
    Apostasy in muslim religion is punished by death right?
    So the isis threat that they won't stop until the world is on it's knees bowing to allah is laughable at best let alone sickening.

    Ask anyone muslim or not, what the punishment for apostasy is.
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    edited June 2015
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Regardless of how isis was created, they seem to favor this allah guy and strict shia law.
    Apostasy in muslim religion is punished by death right?
    So the isis threat that they won't stop until the world is on it's knees bowing to allah is laughable at best let alone sickening.

    Ask anyone muslim or not, what the punishment for apostasy is.

    Ya we all already know Islam is bad. Evil. Devil cult.

    Isis can't even take over Iraq, a country the size of jersey and you're here scared that they're gonna reach the west and have us all bow down to them.

    Edit- "regardless how Isis was created", how about STOP funding them. Is that too much to ask?
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    And you do know that during the Inquisition, apostasy in Christianity was punished by death. And in the bible it states that. But please, go on, shit some more on Islam. Why not. It's the new hipster movement.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    I am not shitting on islam.
    I am shitting on religion.
    I am not hipster. Just seems the flavor of the day is that isis wants the world to listen to them.
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I am not shitting on islam.
    I am shitting on religion.
    I am not hipster. Just seems the flavor of the day is that isis wants the world to listen to them.

    Of course that's the flavor of the day/year. It's their agenda to make it the flavor or talk of the town. Again, on average 137 Iraqis die every day in Iraq since the invasion. But people (not you) people in general, are all up in arms when a Muslim kills 24 people in Tunisia. I posted a link from Glenn greenwald that basically everyone ignored. As long as the Muslims are the boogeyman, cobra, decepticons, etc, this will be played on the tube over and over again.

    And pjfan, I don't mean to single u out on this. It's just getting old. Everyday the same shit being programmed to dumb down the masses. Don't take offense at my post. I don't want you to think I'm pissed at u and I'm singling you out. Been a long day. I apologize if you feel I'm singling you out. Not my intentions.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    I've lost count of how many times over the years on this board the valid and correct point has been made that the actions of these murdering psychopaths does not indict all Muslims, does not reflect the views of all Muslims, does not condemn all Muslims, etc. This thread is no different.

    When a guy drives up to a beach and starts executing tourists, it isn't the media making Muslims look bad. Nor is it threads like this. Four separate attacks on Friday morning before most of us had even woken up and we're not supposed to talk about it?

    Personally I wouldn't use the term death cult even though it may accurately describe some fundamentalists. Nor would I accuse anyone of defending ISIS even though I do understand how some posts could be taken that way.

    I just think there is a rush sometimes to defend all Muslims when only specific Muslims (in this case the guy on the beach, the attackers at the mosque, the beheader at the gas plant) are being singled out. I think implying that singling these murderers out is somehow bigotry or fear mongering is just incorrect.

    Hope that makes sense.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    badbrains said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I am not shitting on islam.
    I am shitting on religion.
    I am not hipster. Just seems the flavor of the day is that isis wants the world to listen to them.

    Of course that's the flavor of the day/year. It's their agenda to make it the flavor or talk of the town. Again, on average 137 Iraqis die every day in Iraq since the invasion. But people (not you) people in general, are all up in arms when a Muslim kills 24 people in Tunisia. I posted a link from Glenn greenwald that basically everyone ignored. As long as the Muslims are the boogeyman, cobra, decepticons, etc, this will be played on the tube over and over again.

    And pjfan, I don't mean to single u out on this. It's just getting old. Everyday the same shit being programmed to dumb down the masses. Don't take offense at my post. I don't want you to think I'm pissed at u and I'm singling you out. Been a long day. I apologize if you feel I'm singling you out. Not my intentions.
    No offense taken at all man.
    I have opinions just like you do.
    When religious people speak I speak back.
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