"Friday of Terror"

JimmyV
JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
in A Moving Train
Rough numbers below and parts of the Western hemisphere are just waking up. There could be more to come.

147 killed in Kobani
27 killed in Tunisia
24 killed in Kuwait
1 killed in France
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  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    I don't know what people expect. The only thing surprising about that list is that the US is not on it...yet. But we...as a country...will look on as these numbers grow...and no one does anything about it...and then suddenly be shocked when some major event happens here. We made our bed...we fed these guys, we armed these guys, we supported these guys, we pissed them off, and ALL they want to do is kill and destroy. They will never be happy until they have annihilated the Western world and every representative of it. But maybe if they're lucky, the folks here in this country will continue to worry more about what the Kardashians are doing, and ignore the clock that is counting down. Make no mistake...we are the ultimate target...and when these animals really hit us, it is going to make 9/11 look like a minor fender bender.
  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,915
    Shawshank said:

    I don't know what people expect. The only thing surprising about that list is that the US is not on it...yet. But we...as a country...will look on as these numbers grow...and no one does anything about it...and then suddenly be shocked when some major event happens here. We made our bed...we fed these guys, we armed these guys, we supported these guys, we pissed them off, and ALL they want to do is kill and destroy. They will never be happy until they have annihilated the Western world and every representative of it. But maybe if they're lucky, the folks here in this country will continue to worry more about what the Kardashians are doing, and ignore the clock that is counting down. Make no mistake...we are the ultimate target...and when these animals really hit us, it is going to make 9/11 look like a minor fender bender.

    So you think we as a country aren't doing anything about it? Our government and military/intelligence is doing nothing about this??? It's clear the US is the ultimate target, but to say we are doing nothing about it seems like a stretch.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    VICE produced an interesting episode on the growing discontent among the Islamist faction in France and the growing hostilities between the people there.

    ISIS militants insist they are not stopping until they have succeeded in Sharia Law across the planet.

    The situation is tricky: clearly extremists need to be dealt with, however every time extremists are dealt with... moderates fill the void.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    40 Americans were murdered yesterday by other Americans.

    92 were killed in car accidents yesterday.

    How many Muslims killed by western bombs in last 10 years?

    All relative and I don't concern myself with fear.

    Now getting in my car, different story.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    The Islamic State is a bad horror movie that came to life. If you tried to pitch the story to Hollywood, about hundreds of thousands of normal people around the world suddenly that turn into killing machines, maybe the SyFy channel would consider making it into a movie.

    Can you imagine considering yourself sane and opening up fire on a bunch of people chilling on a beach???
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/24/greatest-obstacle-anti-muslim-fear-mongering-bigotry-reality/
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited June 2015
    Jason P said:

    The Islamic State is a bad horror movie that came to life. If you tried to pitch the story to Hollywood, about hundreds of thousands of normal people around the world suddenly that turn into killing machines, maybe the SyFy channel would consider making it into a movie.

    Can you imagine considering yourself sane and opening up fire on a bunch of people chilling on a beach???

    Or dropping bombs on civilians and saying oops sorry collateral damage.

    And we created ISIS. Hope the movie has a prologue.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    callen said:

    40 Americans were murdered yesterday by other Americans.

    92 were killed in car accidents yesterday.

    How many Muslims killed by western bombs in last 10 years?

    All relative and I don't concern myself with fear.

    Now getting in my car, different story.

    How many people on that beach didn't concern themselves with fear, either? In that mosque?

    I've been trying to decide which is worse: That these four incidents might be connected and all part of the same attack, or that four different individuals/groups in four different places chose four different places to attack for similar reasons...and there are so many of these attacks that they could just coincidentally occur on the same day.

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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    edited June 2015
    It's easy to say this is about bigotry and fear-mongering. We've moved way past that. Immediately shrugging one's shoulders and giving the tired "Yeah, but, America..." response is no different than dismissing Israeli actions by saying "Yeah, but, terrorism..."
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    callen said:

    40 Americans were murdered yesterday by other Americans.

    92 were killed in car accidents yesterday.

    How many Muslims killed by western bombs in last 10 years?

    All relative and I don't concern myself with fear.

    Now getting in my car, different story.

    Old age and natural causes get us too. It doesn't trivialize a radical group of religious idiots that think beheading people is cool.

    I'm aware that the sun's rays can harm me, but that doesn't keep me from going outside. I'm also aware that there are freaks out there that like to lop off people's heads as they bow to a God- this doesn't make me 'afraid' either.

    Recognizing threats for what they are is not a practice reserved for the meek and insecure.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    callen said:

    Jason P said:

    The Islamic State is a bad horror movie that came to life. If you tried to pitch the story to Hollywood, about hundreds of thousands of normal people around the world suddenly that turn into killing machines, maybe the SyFy channel would consider making it into a movie.

    Can you imagine considering yourself sane and opening up fire on a bunch of people chilling on a beach???

    Or dropping bombs on civilians and saying oops sorry collateral damage.

    And we created ISIS. Hope the movie has a prologue.
    The situation is circular. I won't dispute that the US has a major hand in the current ISIS situation; however, each horrific ISIS incident contributes to the anti-Islamic sentiments that help perpetuate the cycle of intolerance and violence.

    Who backs off first? And what happens when one side backs off first? This is a really messy situation.
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    edited June 2015
    Some good thoughts here 30b and Jimmy,It is a big cycle of hate and death for sure.

    Cal,we need to deal with what it is the here and now and not look back at what created the origins of this group.We are well past the whos to blame stage.We can't have a group of people with no respect for life running around creating terror on anyone who dosent agree with their twisted view on religion.

    As IS Ramps up its violence and recruiting methods we get closer to the day when they hit the right target at the right time and it causes a tipping point.Much like the Flag issue in SC and how that snowballed into new action.This is going to get messy.

    Nart,I think that as most of us normal ,clear thinking people can differentiate between extremist activities and the views of people who worship in peace.That goes for all religions.
    But There is an element fueled by fear and bigotry that will also show itself and continue to lump many good in with the bad.
    I feel for the position you and many others BB ,are put in,defending your faith against those who pervert it and at the same time fending off stupid bigotry by those who cannot differentiate.

    I have that episode of Vice DVRed.I guess it's time to watch it.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Any war has collateral damage. It sucks. But to excuse ISIS as a result of collateral damage is major fucking bullshit. This is Insane Clown Posse on drugs behavior.

    Sticking dudes in a metal cage and slowly dropping them into a lake is not collateral damage.

    Setting dudes on fire in a metal cage is not collateral damage.

    Blowing dudes heads off with Running Man explosive neck rings is not collateral damage.

    Shooting kids and grandparents while the are enjoying a day on the beach is not collateral damage.

    I still find it odd that liberal people defend ISIS even though they represent "what if the Neocons somehow mutated and became 1000 times worse".
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    edited June 2015
    Will the liberal person here who defends ISIS please stand up so we'll know who you are... assuming there is such a person here.

    Sorry Jason, I just don't see that happening here.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    brianlux said:

    Will the liberal person here who defends ISIS please stand up so we'll know who you are... assuming there is such a person here.

    Sorry Jason, I just don't see that happening here.

    Although a 'defence' might not be the most accurate descriptor... 6 or 7 posts ago there seemed to be a semblance of one. If you wanted to pour through the other threads, there are many just like it.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    brianlux said:

    Will the liberal person here who defends ISIS please stand up so we'll know who you are... assuming there is such a person here.

    Sorry Jason, I just don't see that happening here.

    Although a 'defence' might not be the most accurate descriptor... 6 or 7 posts ago there seemed to be a semblance of one. If you wanted to pour through the other threads, there are many just like it.
    Defending ISIS? Even a semblance of defense? You guys are really stretching for an argument, haha.

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,776
    edited June 2015
    JimmyV said:

    It's easy to say this is about bigotry and fear-mongering. We've moved way past that. Immediately shrugging one's shoulders and giving the tired "Yeah, but, America..." response is no different than dismissing Israeli actions by saying "Yeah, but, terrorism..."

    I agree.
    Seems like people are just burned out. I don't think they are desensitized so much as they are weary.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    brianlux said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    brianlux said:

    Will the liberal person here who defends ISIS please stand up so we'll know who you are... assuming there is such a person here.

    Sorry Jason, I just don't see that happening here.

    Although a 'defence' might not be the most accurate descriptor... 6 or 7 posts ago there seemed to be a semblance of one. If you wanted to pour through the other threads, there are many just like it.
    Defending ISIS? Even a semblance of defense? You guys are really stretching for an argument, haha.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the US is beyond reproach, however the enthusiasm and methodology ISIS demonstrates as they pursue their goals makes me think they can own their behaviours without attempts to seemingly justify or legitimize their motivation.
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    I think it's comical people don't see what's really going on. All the info out there in the world and people choose not to see.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    badbrains said:

    I think it's comical people don't see what's really going on. All the info out there in the world and people choose not to see.

    In Tunisia, some guy drove up to a private beach with an AK-47 and killed a bunch of defenceless men, women and children who were sunbathing. Islamic State exclaimed it was behind the attack and has urged followers to 'step up assaults' during Ramadan and that the world can expect lots of other surprises.

    In the context of this thread, exactly what info should people be accessing so that they might see things more clearly? More importantly, what is it they should be seeing?
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