The Donald for President

brianlux

bootlegger10 said:

Seriously, this is part of the problem. Everyone is so polarized that they can't give an inch. I'm not saying Trump's policies are spot on. All I'm saying is that he is probably the most accessible candidate in a long time and will give 30 minute interviews several times a day to anyone who will listen whether they are NBC, CNN or Fox. But hey, you all hate him so you can't even give him credit for answering just about every question asked of him moreso than every other candidate (whether you like the answers or not). It is the same old story on this board.

He pulled out of the Fox debate and raised money for charity and you think he was scared. Have you not followed his campaign at all? He got even more free publicity and his followers liked him even more for what he did in pulling out of the debate. He wasn't scared, he is just smart at marketing himself. He only needs spend to money on jet fuel for his campaign and he gets away it with because of doing things like he just did. I think it is awesome that a candidate thinks "why do I need to debate?". Change the status quo. If he was scared he wouldn't take chances and would campaign like everyone else (perhaps like Clinton who is the most scared politician out there).

The problem is you can't give man like Trump an inch when he's off by a mile. Or a thousand miles?

brianlux

rr165892 said:

Bootleggers right.
Trump is doing stuff no other candidate has been able to pull off.Ever!
Take policy and your bias out of it and look at the campaign strategy.It is resonating,it's dominates all news cycles and the dude monopolizes press ops anytime they can.
I think moving forward this campaign has changed the rules.

They said the same thing about Sarah Palin:

"What a Maverick!"
"Nobody's ever been as bold as her!"
"Bold new ideas! "Etc.!"

Now anyone with any sense sees her as a buffoon. The same will happen with Trump. Big time.

Go Beavers

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

Free said:

I don't tweet, but I saw online Cher's tweet from the other day.


Trump NOT Doing FOX Debate Cause Of MEGAN KELLY Some1 Get Him TOE SHOES, fkng PRIMA DONNA. HOW CAN HE FACE ISIS,HE CANT FACE A CHICK ON
TV.

An ignorant tweet. Trump has by far done more interviews and taken more questions than any candidate. Hilary barely ever fields a question from the media.

I guess you're missing the specific point the tweet is making? Has nothing to do with what you're talking about.

Well, she is saying he is scared to face a woman on TV. I am saying he is not scared to face her as evidenced by the countless interviews he does all over television to male and female newspersons. He just doesn't respect her and has no reason to go to the debate. IT worked out well for him and a lot of money will go to veterans associations that aren't too petty and politically biased to accept it.

But if I missed the point of the tweet let me know what it is.

It's just that Cher was making a specific point about Trump not being able to handle tough questions from a strong woman.... actually, on a certain level I agree with her. He definitely doesn't seem to handle being pissed off or challenged by a female. I do believe he's a huge sexist pig, and in the end that's what Cher is saying.

You read a lot into that tweet. He has been interviewed by woman all the time on television. Why would he be scared of Megan Kelly? His poll numbers went up after the last debate she moderated. She was the one who came out looking biased. Like any rational person would do he looked out at two alternatives:

1) Do a debate with a moderator who disrespects him along with not really needing the debate to boost poll numbers, or

2) Host his own event and raise money for charity. Some good will come out of the night.

I liked his decision making and the outcome. If Obama did this in 2008 and skipped a Fox News debate to do a charitable event, he would be hailed a man of the people. Some of you can't understand why he is winning and this is a perfect example. Who the hell has skipped a debate? Who does that? Well, if you want someone to come in and shake up Washington then he might be someone who has the guts to do that. Maybe he is a good negotiator and has a talent for coming up with out of the box ideas that could help. You all actually believe he wants to deport all illegals and not allow Muslims in this country. That is the funny thing in this.

He did make this statement where he wants a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.”
So you believe what he says, but then say we shouldn't believe what he says? Is this one of his "out of the box ideas that could help"?

rgambs

rr165892 said:

Bootleggers right.
Trump is doing stuff no other candidate has been able to pull off.Ever!
Take policy and your bias out of it and look at the campaign strategy.It is resonating,it's dominates all news cycles and the dude monopolizes press ops anytime they can.
I think moving forward this campaign has changed the rules.

Absolutely true, but not at all something to celebrate. What he's pulling off has been done time and time again, by dangerous demagogues like Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, McCarthy, etc.
He is taking America down a dangerous path toward idiocy and hatred.

rgambs

His appeal is no secret.
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a39031/trump-fourth-grade-level/

Usamamasan...woot!

Free

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

Bootleggers right.
Trump is doing stuff no other candidate has been able to pull off.Ever!
Take policy and your bias out of it and look at the campaign strategy.It is resonating,it's dominates all news cycles and the dude monopolizes press ops anytime they can.
I think moving forward this campaign has changed the rules.

Absolutely true, but not at all something to celebrate. What he's pulling off has been done time and time again, by dangerous demagogues like Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, McCarthy, etc.
He is taking America down a dangerous path toward idiocy and hatred.

I agree with this. Sure, Trump is doing what politicians don't do. Great. But why are his fans so blatantly ignoring the hatred he spews, in favor for whatever it is that attracts support? Is he merely gathering the troops who have the hatred in themselves? Or do people simply not care? Scary.

Gern Blansten

Free said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

Bootleggers right.
Trump is doing stuff no other candidate has been able to pull off.Ever!
Take policy and your bias out of it and look at the campaign strategy.It is resonating,it's dominates all news cycles and the dude monopolizes press ops anytime they can.
I think moving forward this campaign has changed the rules.

Absolutely true, but not at all something to celebrate. What he's pulling off has been done time and time again, by dangerous demagogues like Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, McCarthy, etc.
He is taking America down a dangerous path toward idiocy and hatred.

I agree with this. Sure, Trump is doing what politicians don't do. Great. But why are his fans so blatantly ignoring the hatred he spews, in favor for whatever it is that attracts support? Is he merely gathering the troops who have the hatred in themselves? Or do people simply not care? Scary.

That's his base. It's really odd but be assured that there are not enough of them to get him the win.

PJ_Soul

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

Free said:

I don't tweet, but I saw online Cher's tweet from the other day.


Trump NOT Doing FOX Debate Cause Of MEGAN KELLY Some1 Get Him TOE SHOES, fkng PRIMA DONNA. HOW CAN HE FACE ISIS,HE CANT FACE A CHICK ON
TV.

An ignorant tweet. Trump has by far done more interviews and taken more questions than any candidate. Hilary barely ever fields a question from the media.

I guess you're missing the specific point the tweet is making? Has nothing to do with what you're talking about.

Well, she is saying he is scared to face a woman on TV. I am saying he is not scared to face her as evidenced by the countless interviews he does all over television to male and female newspersons. He just doesn't respect her and has no reason to go to the debate. IT worked out well for him and a lot of money will go to veterans associations that aren't too petty and politically biased to accept it.

But if I missed the point of the tweet let me know what it is.

It's just that Cher was making a specific point about Trump not being able to handle tough questions from a strong woman.... actually, on a certain level I agree with her. He definitely doesn't seem to handle being pissed off or challenged by a female. I do believe he's a huge sexist pig, and in the end that's what Cher is saying.

You read a lot into that tweet. He has been interviewed by woman all the time on television. Why would he be scared of Megan Kelly? His poll numbers went up after the last debate she moderated. She was the one who came out looking biased. Like any rational person would do he looked out at two alternatives:

1) Do a debate with a moderator who disrespects him along with not really needing the debate to boost poll numbers, or

2) Host his own event and raise money for charity. Some good will come out of the night.

I liked his decision making and the outcome. If Obama did this in 2008 and skipped a Fox News debate to do a charitable event, he would be hailed a man of the people. Some of you can't understand why he is winning and this is a perfect example. Who the hell has skipped a debate? Who does that? Well, if you want someone to come in and shake up Washington then he might be someone who has the guts to do that. Maybe he is a good negotiator and has a talent for coming up with out of the box ideas that could help. You all actually believe he wants to deport all illegals and not allow Muslims in this country. That is the funny thing in this.

Because she challenged him and ruffled his feathers more than other women in the media have and he can't handle it. That is the point. The fact that he has spoken to other women isn't relevant. I don't think I am reading a lot into that tweet at all. I think Cher's inference inferences pretty obvious (perhaps it is "woman speak", hahaha). I'm not saying I specifically agree with Cher, but just with the inference: Trump is a chauvinist pig.

rr165892

He will revert right back to his moderate quite liberal on social issue stance once he has the nomination.Right now he is pandering to the far right bible thumpers and the rest of the rep fringe.He will be right down the middle during the general election.He will have to be to go against the Libs.

Gern Blansten

rr165892 said:

He will revert right back to his moderate quite liberal on social issue stance once he has the nomination.Right now he is pandering to the far right bible thumpers and the rest of the rep fringe.He will be right down the middle during the general election.He will have to be to go against the Libs.

If he does that he will become exactly what he says he isn't

rr165892

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

He will revert right back to his moderate quite liberal on social issue stance once he has the nomination.Right now he is pandering to the far right bible thumpers and the rest of the rep fringe.He will be right down the middle during the general election.He will have to be to go against the Libs.

If he does that he will become exactly what he says he isn't

And this surprises you for a politician in a presidential election?

Gern Blansten

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/

Endorsement Update:

Trump: 0
Clinton: 458
Bush: 51
Cruz: 18

rr165892

I'd be fine with that I'm A Jeb guy

PJ_Soul

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

He will revert right back to his moderate quite liberal on social issue stance once he has the nomination.Right now he is pandering to the far right bible thumpers and the rest of the rep fringe.He will be right down the middle during the general election.He will have to be to go against the Libs.

If he does that he will become exactly what he says he isn't

He doesn't care. He will simply do or say whatever it takes to win and get his way. Anyone who actually believes a word that comes out of his mouth is a fool. He's happy to say the exact opposite of what he believes and to do a 180 on anything he's said in the past, as long as it somehow benefits him.

Gern Blansten

rr165892 said:

I'd be fine with that I'm A Jeb guy

I can live with Jeb or Kasich....maybe Christie

All are moderates regardless of the right wing BS that comes out of their mouths.

jeffbr

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

I'd be fine with that I'm A Jeb guy

I can live with Jeb or Kasich....maybe Christie

All are moderates regardless of the right wing BS that comes out of their mouths.

Agree with your last sentence. I could live with Jeb, Kasich or Paul. Christie proclaimed he'll be a drug warrior in CO and WA if elected.

rr165892

Yeah Christie lost any support from me when he proclaimed"the pot party is over". Talk about being out of touch.
But I'm with you guys on any of the above.When ally said and done I think a moderate gets the nod.

PJ_Soul

rr165892 said:

Yeah Christie lost any support from me when he proclaimed"the pot party is over". Talk about being out of touch.
But I'm with you guys on any of the above.When ally said and done I think a moderate gets the nod.

Yeah, reply stupid. If it weren't for that in would consider Christy the only viable GOP candidate, because otherwise he's very reasonable. But anyone who wants to continue "the war on drugs" like that is an idiot.

bootlegger10

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

Free said:

I don't tweet, but I saw online Cher's tweet from the other day.


Trump NOT Doing FOX Debate Cause Of MEGAN KELLY Some1 Get Him TOE SHOES, fkng PRIMA DONNA. HOW CAN HE FACE ISIS,HE CANT FACE A CHICK ON
TV.

An ignorant tweet. Trump has by far done more interviews and taken more questions than any candidate. Hilary barely ever fields a question from the media.

I guess you're missing the specific point the tweet is making? Has nothing to do with what you're talking about.

Well, she is saying he is scared to face a woman on TV. I am saying he is not scared to face her as evidenced by the countless interviews he does all over television to male and female newspersons. He just doesn't respect her and has no reason to go to the debate. IT worked out well for him and a lot of money will go to veterans associations that aren't too petty and politically biased to accept it.

But if I missed the point of the tweet let me know what it is.

It's just that Cher was making a specific point about Trump not being able to handle tough questions from a strong woman.... actually, on a certain level I agree with her. He definitely doesn't seem to handle being pissed off or challenged by a female. I do believe he's a huge sexist pig, and in the end that's what Cher is saying.

You read a lot into that tweet. He has been interviewed by woman all the time on television. Why would he be scared of Megan Kelly? His poll numbers went up after the last debate she moderated. She was the one who came out looking biased. Like any rational person would do he looked out at two alternatives:

1) Do a debate with a moderator who disrespects him along with not really needing the debate to boost poll numbers, or

2) Host his own event and raise money for charity. Some good will come out of the night.

I liked his decision making and the outcome. If Obama did this in 2008 and skipped a Fox News debate to do a charitable event, he would be hailed a man of the people. Some of you can't understand why he is winning and this is a perfect example. Who the hell has skipped a debate? Who does that? Well, if you want someone to come in and shake up Washington then he might be someone who has the guts to do that. Maybe he is a good negotiator and has a talent for coming up with out of the box ideas that could help. You all actually believe he wants to deport all illegals and not allow Muslims in this country. That is the funny thing in this.

Because she challenged him and ruffled his feathers more than other women in the media have and he can't handle it. That is the point. The fact that he has spoken to other women isn't relevant. I don't think I am reading a lot into that tweet at all. I think Cher's inference inferences pretty obvious (perhaps it is "woman speak", hahaha). I'm not saying I specifically agree with Cher, but just with the inference: Trump is a chauvinist pig.

Trump went on national tv and said he proposes shutting down immigration of Muslims for a period of time. He went on national tv and said he is deporting the illegal immigrants back to latin America. He went on national tv and said Mexico will pay to build a wall.

Yeah, this seems like the type of guy who is scared to answer a few questions from Megan Kelly. That is a ludicrous assertion.

bootlegger10

brianlux said:

bootlegger10 said:

Seriously, this is part of the problem. Everyone is so polarized that they can't give an inch. I'm not saying Trump's policies are spot on. All I'm saying is that he is probably the most accessible candidate in a long time and will give 30 minute interviews several times a day to anyone who will listen whether they are NBC, CNN or Fox. But hey, you all hate him so you can't even give him credit for answering just about every question asked of him moreso than every other candidate (whether you like the answers or not). It is the same old story on this board.

He pulled out of the Fox debate and raised money for charity and you think he was scared. Have you not followed his campaign at all? He got even more free publicity and his followers liked him even more for what he did in pulling out of the debate. He wasn't scared, he is just smart at marketing himself. He only needs spend to money on jet fuel for his campaign and he gets away it with because of doing things like he just did. I think it is awesome that a candidate thinks "why do I need to debate?". Change the status quo. If he was scared he wouldn't take chances and would campaign like everyone else (perhaps like Clinton who is the most scared politician out there).

The problem is you can't give man like Trump an inch when he's off by a mile. Or a thousand miles?

But my point has nothing to do with Trump's politics. It strictly related to Cher's tweet and defending why I thought it was ignorant. I'm not asking you to give an inch on his ideas if you don't like them, but give an inch towards the reality that Trump is not operating a campaign out of fear of getting asked challenging questions. Compared to Hilary, Trump is the toughest politician of all time. Hilary would go weeks without answering a reporters question.

We all have our biases but this is an obvious situation where bias comes into play and blinds you from acknowledging the Trump, while you agree or disagree with him, makes himself available to the media and opens himself up to questions more than any other candidate. He kicked the Mexican reporter out of his press conference but he brought him back in and answered the guy's questions. Morning Joe has cut him off a few times but he'll come back on and still do 30 minutes more of interview.