A dozen shot in Flint

FoxyRedLa

Shooting took place at a school. A school. One man stated "Gun shots are like school bells here". Unfortunately true. Wtf? How can someone be so angry that they choose to kill? End a life?


http://www.minbcnews.com/m/news/story?id=1209217


Sorry couldn't copy and paste the story.

JimmyV

"Gun shots are like school bells here."

That is a chilling statement.

gimmesometruth27

waiting for the nra to chime in here.....

actually i am not.

nra supporters can just shut the fuck up these days. they have no justification for what happened. they have no solutions other than more guns for everyone...

when will the obama conspiracy theory come out? my guess is less than 20 hours.

mcgruff10

fyi: it wasn't during school hours. a dozen were shot over the weekend.

Flint (5/25/15) - More than a dozen people were shot in Flint's most violent weekend of the year.

Now that the dust has settled, police are trying to sort out what happened.

"You can equate it to several things. Some people will say weather, some people will say the holiday weekend," said Captain Collin Birnie

Whatever the cause or causes, Captain Birnie said it was a very violent weekend in the city.

"It's very taxing on manpower. Not just patrol only but very taxing for patrol and the detective bureau," said Birnie.

It started Friday night with a triple shooting at the Atherton East Apartments where one man was killed.

Less than 24 hours later, a car jacking outside of Brothers Party Store on Flint's north side led to another shooting.

"The victim in the incident tried to fight back for his trouble he was shot and his car was taken," said Birnie.

A few hours later, a group of young people got together in the parking lot at Southwestern Academy.

An argument broke out followed by a hail of gunfire.

Seven people were hit.

While chaos unfolded at the south side school, officers also responded to a shooting call at The Van Club on the city's north side.

"The majority of these that occurred over the weekend were disagreements that escalated into violence," said Birnie.

He says if more people called before that point, there would probably be fewer gunshot victims recovering in hospitals today.

"If you're in a situation like that even if you're not one of a participants and you're just there remove yourself and get to somewhere safe and call 911," said Birnie.

There is one man in custody in connection to the shooting at Southwestern Academy.

He is expected to be charged Tuesday.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

"Very taxing on manpower"?

Yah... I guess that's the most unfortunate aspect of these types of events happening so closely together, eh?

FoxyRedLa

mcgruff10 said:

fyi: it wasn't during school hours. a dozen were shot over the weekend.

Flint (5/25/15) - More than a dozen people were shot in Flint's most violent weekend of the year.

Now that the dust has settled, police are trying to sort out what happened.

"You can equate it to several things. Some people will say weather, some people will say the holiday weekend," said Captain Collin Birnie

Whatever the cause or causes, Captain Birnie said it was a very violent weekend in the city.

"It's very taxing on manpower. Not just patrol only but very taxing for patrol and the detective bureau," said Birnie.

It started Friday night with a triple shooting at the Atherton East Apartments where one man was killed.

Less than 24 hours later, a car jacking outside of Brothers Party Store on Flint's north side led to another shooting.

"The victim in the incident tried to fight back for his trouble he was shot and his car was taken," said Birnie.

A few hours later, a group of young people got together in the parking lot at Southwestern Academy.

An argument broke out followed by a hail of gunfire.

Seven people were hit.

While chaos unfolded at the south side school, officers also responded to a shooting call at The Van Club on the city's north side.

"The majority of these that occurred over the weekend were disagreements that escalated into violence," said Birnie.

He says if more people called before that point, there would probably be fewer gunshot victims recovering in hospitals today.

"If you're in a situation like that even if you're not one of a participants and you're just there remove yourself and get to somewhere safe and call 911," said Birnie.

There is one man in custody in connection to the shooting at Southwestern Academy.

He is expected to be charged Tuesday.

Yes I did know it wasn't during school hours. The groups that meet up at that school after hours aren't even students. It's just fucked up is all I meant. Yes it was over the weekend. What like 4 differ shootings.....I'm familiar with Flint and unfortunately this is their reality, all the time. There are stories/killings/shootings that don't even make it to the news.

If you watch the news in my area. The majority of the news is death. Death in Saginaw, death in Flint, death in Detroit.

That man that made that statement about the gun shots confuses me too because they refer to him as a neighbor I think - there aren't any close neighborhoods to that school. But he could obviously live near by.

And I'm sorry that officer saying remove yourself somewhere safe......where?

brianlux

Sad that these kinds of stories have become more common place. At least that is how I see it. I hear all the time how crime is "down" in America and we only think it is worse because information is spread so quickly. So am I experiencing confirmation bias when I say I don't believe violent crime is down or am I just to damn old and cynical or is this country in denial?

JimmyV

brianlux said:

Sad that these kinds of stories have become more common place. At least that is how I see it. I hear all the time how crime is "down" in America and we only think it is worse because information is spread so quickly. So am I experiencing confirmation bias when I say I don't believe violent crime is down or am I just to damn old and cynical or is this country in denial?

I don't believe violent crime is down, either. It does feel like we are just becoming desensitized to it.

muskydan

brianlux said:

Sad that these kinds of stories have become more common place. At least that is how I see it. I hear all the time how crime is "down" in America and we only think it is worse because information is spread so quickly. So am I experiencing confirmation bias when I say I don't believe violent crime is down or am I just to damn old and cynical or is this country in denial?

Now that's using your Knoggin.....don't ever believe that BS that crime is down. Reclassifying crime is how big cities manipulate numbers. Look up the Ultimate crime depressor COM STAT that many big cities use to hide crime. The only problem is they have not figured out a way to hide Dead Bodies, but they will eventually...

rr165892

Dan-O,did you catch the vibe with what's happening now in Baltimore?

Exactly what we were discussing a few months back.Police seem to be not motivated to be proactive.They are answering 911 calls but it seems they don't want the bs and headache.(Can you blame them?)
May was Baltimores most deadly month in 16 years.
I guess the folks in Charm city should be careful what they wish for.........

muskydan

rr165892 said:

Dan-O,did you catch the vibe with what's happening now in Baltimore?

Exactly what we were discussing a few months back.Police seem to be not motivated to be proactive.They are answering 911 calls but it seems they don't want the bs and headache.(Can you blame them?)
May was Baltimores most deadly month in 16 years.
I guess the folks in Charm city should be careful what they wish for.........

Sure have rr…when the Politicians order the Police to stand down it a no brainer what the bad guy is going to do. I have said it a million times, when the bad guy no longer fears the Police society is in for a very very big problem. The timing of NoBama putting out his new order of softening the Police throughout the country was just perfect…Give liberal Baltimore what they want. Let the bodies pile up and maybe someday , I don't know when ,but maybe ,these dumb dumbs will appreciate the hardships the average street cop goes through to keep total strangers safe.

brianlux

Wait a minute- is this the Flint thread or the Baltimore thread? Fuck! Did I get on the wrong train again?

oftenreading

muskydan said:

brianlux said:

Sad that these kinds of stories have become more common place. At least that is how I see it. I hear all the time how crime is "down" in America and we only think it is worse because information is spread so quickly. So am I experiencing confirmation bias when I say I don't believe violent crime is down or am I just to damn old and cynical or is this country in denial?

Now that's using your Knoggin.....don't ever believe that BS that crime is down. Reclassifying crime is how big cities manipulate numbers. Look up the Ultimate crime depressor COM STAT that many big cities use to hide crime. The only problem is they have not figured out a way to hide Dead Bodies, but they will eventually...

They don't need to hide dead bodies; those numbers are down as well. You're right to bring it up; the number of murders is a good proxy for crime rates since most murders get recorded whereas the data can be muddy on lesser crimes.

In the US as a whole in 2013, the number of murders was 14, 196. This is down 4.4% from 2012, 7.8% from 2009 and 12.1% from 2001. Note that this is numbers, not rates; when counted as rates per 100,000, which corrects for rising total population, the percentage decreases are even higher - down 5.1% from 2012, 10.5% from 2009 and 18.3% from 2001.

The current murder rate is about 4.5 per 100,000 per year in the US as a whole (of course, with big regional variation), whereas in 1990 it hit a peak at around 10 per 100,000, higher than it had been for many decades. 'Round about 1800 the murder rate was about 20 per 100,000, while around 1700 the murder rate was well over 30 per 100,000. Those were dangerous times.

JimmyV

brianlux said:

Wait a minute- is this the Flint thread or the Baltimore thread? Fuck! Did I get on the wrong train again?

There are so many cities that it COULD be about. That is the most horrifying part.

brianlux

JimmyV said:

brianlux said:

Wait a minute- is this the Flint thread or the Baltimore thread? Fuck! Did I get on the wrong train again?

There are so many cities that it COULD be about. That is the most horrifying part.

That's a good point Jimmy and it illustrates facts some don't want to recognize, that violence and the proliferation of guns in America are a big problem. There are still parts of the world where this sort of thing is much less common. That says a lot about what we have became. The "more guns for everyone" gimme mentioned (and opposes) is obviously not the solution.

FoxyRedLa

gimmesometruth27 said:

waiting for the nra to chime in here.....

actually i am not.

nra supporters can just shut the fuck up these days. they have no justification for what happened. they have no solutions other than more guns for everyone...

when will the obama conspiracy theory come out? my guess is less than 20 hours.

Well if any nra supporters chime in on this one......my assumption would be that these guns aren't obtained legally. Like you said no justification. I'd hope actual nra members are sticking to their mission.

Indifference71

JimmyV said:

brianlux said:

Wait a minute- is this the Flint thread or the Baltimore thread? Fuck! Did I get on the wrong train again?

There are so many cities that it COULD be about. That is the most horrifying part.

Yep. I read a similar headline pretty much every morning here in Chicago. The numbers are even higher now that's it warm out. It's really fucking sad that it has become the norm....

HughFreakingDillon

michigan sounds like a post apocalyptic lawless place these days. crazy shit.

muskydan

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

brianlux said:

Sad that these kinds of stories have become more common place. At least that is how I see it. I hear all the time how crime is "down" in America and we only think it is worse because information is spread so quickly. So am I experiencing confirmation bias when I say I don't believe violent crime is down or am I just to damn old and cynical or is this country in denial?

Now that's using your Knoggin.....don't ever believe that BS that crime is down. Reclassifying crime is how big cities manipulate numbers. Look up the Ultimate crime depressor COM STAT that many big cities use to hide crime. The only problem is they have not figured out a way to hide Dead Bodies, but they will eventually...

They don't need to hide dead bodies; those numbers are down as well. You're right to bring it up; the number of murders is a good proxy for crime rates since most murders get recorded whereas the data can be muddy on lesser crimes.

In the US as a whole in 2013, the number of murders was 14, 196. This is down 4.4% from 2012, 7.8% from 2009 and 12.1% from 2001. Note that this is numbers, not rates; when counted as rates per 100,000, which corrects for rising total population, the percentage decreases are even higher - down 5.1% from 2012, 10.5% from 2009 and 18.3% from 2001.

The current murder rate is about 4.5 per 100,000 per year in the US as a whole (of course, with big regional variation), whereas in 1990 it hit a peak at around 10 per 100,000, higher than it had been for many decades. 'Round about 1800 the murder rate was about 20 per 100,000, while around 1700 the murder rate was well over 30 per 100,000. Those were dangerous times.

You wana know why murders are down so significantly from 20 years ago ? The medical field really has gotten superb at patching up people. Technology in the ER and equipment the first responders use one scene has made a tremedous impact in saving lives of people shot...so many of them can be shot again. The number that really should be looked at is actual shootings which can and is manipulated. If it's not reported, it did not happen. Smoke and mirrors kids.

HughFreakingDillon

muskydan said:

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

brianlux said:

Sad that these kinds of stories have become more common place. At least that is how I see it. I hear all the time how crime is "down" in America and we only think it is worse because information is spread so quickly. So am I experiencing confirmation bias when I say I don't believe violent crime is down or am I just to damn old and cynical or is this country in denial?

Now that's using your Knoggin.....don't ever believe that BS that crime is down. Reclassifying crime is how big cities manipulate numbers. Look up the Ultimate crime depressor COM STAT that many big cities use to hide crime. The only problem is they have not figured out a way to hide Dead Bodies, but they will eventually...

They don't need to hide dead bodies; those numbers are down as well. You're right to bring it up; the number of murders is a good proxy for crime rates since most murders get recorded whereas the data can be muddy on lesser crimes.

In the US as a whole in 2013, the number of murders was 14, 196. This is down 4.4% from 2012, 7.8% from 2009 and 12.1% from 2001. Note that this is numbers, not rates; when counted as rates per 100,000, which corrects for rising total population, the percentage decreases are even higher - down 5.1% from 2012, 10.5% from 2009 and 18.3% from 2001.

The current murder rate is about 4.5 per 100,000 per year in the US as a whole (of course, with big regional variation), whereas in 1990 it hit a peak at around 10 per 100,000, higher than it had been for many decades. 'Round about 1800 the murder rate was about 20 per 100,000, while around 1700 the murder rate was well over 30 per 100,000. Those were dangerous times.

You wana know why murders are down so significantly from 20 years ago ? The medical field really has gotten superb at patching up people. Technology in the ER and equipment the first responders use one scene has made a tremedous impact in saving lives of people shot...so many of them can be shot again. The number that really should be looked at is actual shootings which can and is manipulated. If it's not reported, it did not happen. Smoke and mirrors kids.

so just because it appears to the public that murders/shootings/violent crime is down, that means the data is automatically manipulated? I would argue that these things are reported more than they were back 30 years ago. people report when someone trips them and they sprain their fucking ankle.

FoxyRedLa

HughFreakingDillon said:

michigan sounds like a post apocalyptic lawless place these days. crazy shit.

Well Flint in particular is now and has been for years one of the most dangerous cities in America. Flint was known for the auto industry - which I'm sure many of you already know that. Auto was huge work until sometime in the 70s. In the 80s GM set up factories in Mexico and obviously Flint factories shut down. There is no major industry in Flint, not many police officers, unemployment, drugs, and violent crime. Just a couple years ago an 87 year old women was raped outside her home during the day.

JimmyV

FoxyRedLa said:

Just a couple years ago an 87 year old women was raped outside her home during the day.

My god.

Godfather.

I can't bring up the story for some reason. but lets see...25 killings over the weekend uh, well were they drug related ? were they victims of home break in's ? or maybe a car jacking or two...(here's your NRA chime in Gimmi) don't blame the actions of ill minded dirt bags on a gun, there are many things that cause death that are legal and no so legal like a harmless joint or a bump of cook on the weekend, the chances of somebody dieing because of that weed or that coke are probably 50/50...espically the coke,blaming a gun for murder is crazy in my opinion.

Godfather.

HughFreakingDillon

Godfather. said:

I can't bring up the story for some reason. but lets see...25 killings over the weekend uh, well were they drug related ? were they victims of home break in's ? or maybe a car jacking or two...(here's your NRA chime in Gimmi) don't blame the actions of ill minded dirt bags on a gun, there are many things that cause death that are legal and no so legal like a harmless joint or a bump of cook on the weekend, the chances of somebody dieing because of that weed or that coke are probably 50/50...espically the coke,blaming a gun for murder is crazy in my opinion.

Godfather.

no one is blaming the gun for the murder. we're saying that more guns not only don't help (which is what the NRA stands for-"a gun for every good guy to take down the bad ones"), they exacerbate the problem. make it easier to kill, and more will. simple as that.

HughFreakingDillon

JimmyV said:

FoxyRedLa said:

Just a couple years ago an 87 year old women was raped outside her home during the day.

My god.

that shit just turns my stomach. castrate the piece of shit.

rr165892

HughFreakingDillon said:

JimmyV said:

FoxyRedLa said:

Just a couple years ago an 87 year old women was raped outside her home during the day.

My god.

that shit just turns my stomach. castrate the piece of shit.

Ah,a punishment to fit the crime.I like it.

Godfather.

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

I can't bring up the story for some reason. but lets see...25 killings over the weekend uh, well were they drug related ? were they victims of home break in's ? or maybe a car jacking or two...(here's your NRA chime in Gimmi) don't blame the actions of ill minded dirt bags on a gun, there are many things that cause death that are legal and no so legal like a harmless joint or a bump of cook on the weekend, the chances of somebody dieing because of that weed or that coke are probably 50/50...espically the coke,blaming a gun for murder is crazy in my opinion.

Godfather.

no one is blaming the gun for the murder. we're saying that more guns not only don't help (which is what the NRA stands for-"a gun for every good guy to take down the bad ones"), they exacerbate the problem. make it easier to kill, and more will. simple as that.

many things make it easier to kill..but a gun would be a first choice but still I don't think good honest gun owners should be the ones paying for the actions of a bunch of dirt bags who by law should not even own or have a gun..it's kinda like the riots in Baltimore I just read that the tax payers will be footing the bill for the damage done to the city, the hard working, tax paying people always get the shaft and the fucking loosers that do this shit still get thier w.f checks.

Godfather.

badbrains

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

I can't bring up the story for some reason. but lets see...25 killings over the weekend uh, well were they drug related ? were they victims of home break in's ? or maybe a car jacking or two...(here's your NRA chime in Gimmi) don't blame the actions of ill minded dirt bags on a gun, there are many things that cause death that are legal and no so legal like a harmless joint or a bump of cook on the weekend, the chances of somebody dieing because of that weed or that coke are probably 50/50...espically the coke,blaming a gun for murder is crazy in my opinion.

Godfather.

no one is blaming the gun for the murder. we're saying that more guns not only don't help (which is what the NRA stands for-"a gun for every good guy to take down the bad ones"), they exacerbate the problem. make it easier to kill, and more will. simple as that.

many things make it easier to kill..but a gun would be a first choice but still I don't think good honest gun owners should be the ones paying for the actions of a bunch of dirt bags who by law should not even own or have a gun..it's kinda like the riots in Baltimore I just read that the tax payers will be footing the bill for the damage done to the city, the hard working, tax paying people always get the shaft and the fucking loosers that do this shit still get thier w.f checks.

Godfather.

I rarely agree with Gf, but he's got some good points here. Taxpayers always get the shaft with no Vaseline

rr165892

badbrains said:

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

I can't bring up the story for some reason. but lets see...25 killings over the weekend uh, well were they drug related ? were they victims of home break in's ? or maybe a car jacking or two...(here's your NRA chime in Gimmi) don't blame the actions of ill minded dirt bags on a gun, there are many things that cause death that are legal and no so legal like a harmless joint or a bump of cook on the weekend, the chances of somebody dieing because of that weed or that coke are probably 50/50...espically the coke,blaming a gun for murder is crazy in my opinion.

Godfather.

no one is blaming the gun for the murder. we're saying that more guns not only don't help (which is what the NRA stands for-"a gun for every good guy to take down the bad ones"), they exacerbate the problem. make it easier to kill, and more will. simple as that.

many things make it easier to kill..but a gun would be a first choice but still I don't think good honest gun owners should be the ones paying for the actions of a bunch of dirt bags who by law should not even own or have a gun..it's kinda like the riots in Baltimore I just read that the tax payers will be footing the bill for the damage done to the city, the hard working, tax paying people always get the shaft and the fucking loosers that do this shit still get thier w.f checks.

Godfather.

I rarely agree with Gf, but he's got some good points here. Taxpayers always get the shaft with no Vaseline

Careful BB,Another comment like that,and we will be Making room for you on the team CC bandwagon.

HughFreakingDillon

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

I can't bring up the story for some reason. but lets see...25 killings over the weekend uh, well were they drug related ? were they victims of home break in's ? or maybe a car jacking or two...(here's your NRA chime in Gimmi) don't blame the actions of ill minded dirt bags on a gun, there are many things that cause death that are legal and no so legal like a harmless joint or a bump of cook on the weekend, the chances of somebody dieing because of that weed or that coke are probably 50/50...espically the coke,blaming a gun for murder is crazy in my opinion.

Godfather.

no one is blaming the gun for the murder. we're saying that more guns not only don't help (which is what the NRA stands for-"a gun for every good guy to take down the bad ones"), they exacerbate the problem. make it easier to kill, and more will. simple as that.

many things make it easier to kill..but a gun would be a first choice but still I don't think good honest gun owners should be the ones paying for the actions of a bunch of dirt bags who by law should not even own or have a gun..it's kinda like the riots in Baltimore I just read that the tax payers will be footing the bill for the damage done to the city, the hard working, tax paying people always get the shaft and the fucking loosers that do this shit still get thier w.f checks.

Godfather.

Unfortunately good honest responsible people have to pay the price in all facets of democratic free society because we have to make laws that govern the lowest common denominator.
speed limits, drug use, alcohol laws, child endangerment laws, I could go on. I am a resonsible parent who knows when his kid is mature and responsible enough to go to the park alone, for example. But because fuckhead down the street doesnt give a shit what her kid does and hasnt taught her a damn thing about the possible dangers of being out on her own, my kid cant enjoy the freedom she deserves and go to the park on her own so we can make sure fuckhead jr doesn't get diddled by the creep in the park.

I smoke weed. I am not an addict. I dont do it in front of my kids. But because the loser down the street cant control himself and has lost his job and beats his wife, and happens to also be a pot smoker, the conservative government blames weed and i have to buy it illegally.

The examples are endless.

muskydan

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

I can't bring up the story for some reason. but lets see...25 killings over the weekend uh, well were they drug related ? were they victims of home break in's ? or maybe a car jacking or two...(here's your NRA chime in Gimmi) don't blame the actions of ill minded dirt bags on a gun, there are many things that cause death that are legal and no so legal like a harmless joint or a bump of cook on the weekend, the chances of somebody dieing because of that weed or that coke are probably 50/50...espically the coke,blaming a gun for murder is crazy in my opinion.

Godfather.

no one is blaming the gun for the murder. we're saying that more guns not only don't help (which is what the NRA stands for-"a gun for every good guy to take down the bad ones"), they exacerbate the problem. make it easier to kill, and more will. simple as that.

many things make it easier to kill..but a gun would be a first choice but still I don't think good honest gun owners should be the ones paying for the actions of a bunch of dirt bags who by law should not even own or have a gun..it's kinda like the riots in Baltimore I just read that the tax payers will be footing the bill for the damage done to the city, the hard working, tax paying people always get the shaft and the fucking loosers that do this shit still get thier w.f checks.

Godfather.

Unfortunately good honest responsible people have to pay the price in all facets of democratic free society because we have to make laws that govern the lowest common denominator.
speed limits, drug use, alcohol laws, child endangerment laws, I could go on. I am a resonsible parent who knows when his kid is mature and responsible enough to go to the park alone, for example. But because fuckhead down the street doesnt give a shit what her kid does and hasnt taught her a damn thing about the possible dangers of being out on her own, my kid cant enjoy the freedom she deserves and go to the park on her own so we can make sure fuckhead jr doesn't get diddled by the creep in the park.

I smoke weed. I am not an addict. I dont do it in front of my kids. But because the loser down the street cant control himself and has lost his job and beats his wife, and happens to also be a pot smoker, the conservative government blames weed and i have to buy it illegally.

The examples are endless.

I like the way you think.