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brianlux said:

Sorry guys, but this isn't about feeding the poor, it's this woman someone tweeting her photo like, "Aren't I cute lying here smiling next to this [beautiful] dead animal that I killed."

I never really imagined we'd see so many here defending this woman.

I'm really getting close to not renewing my membership here this year. Just not feeling like part of the club (or is it "team"?) these days.

I'm sorry I posted this. Maybe it will get locked.

Fuck it. I'm done here.

Brian come on, I dont know this woman in any way other than your OP. I can only comment on what I read about this instance and what she did. If you notice in my first post Isaid IF when she hunted this animal it was done under the circumstances I read were true then I dont have a problem with the hunt. Anything short of that or if this was done solely for her own thrill then I would certainly condemn her actions. I'm as it were disgusted with the photo she took, they was no need for that at all.

Peace

brianlux

It been pointed out to me here and in a very kindly worded PM that I have over-reacted here. For that I humbly apologize. That photo really gut punched me and I had expected most here would share my perspective and share my outrage. Those kinds of expectations are unrealistic and in some ways unfair. So again, my apologies.

What disturbs me about this story are two things: that the woman would (as I see it, brazenly) tweet this "cute" picture in the first place and that even without the (what I see as grossly insensitive and disturbing) photograph, the idea that some believe that the answer to starvation is killing and eating large animals. These animals are becoming rare and many are endangered. There are 7 plus billion humans on this little planet. We cannot continue to consume large animals (eating high on the food chain) at the rate we do and expect nature to keep things in balance.

I also want to say that re-reading eddiec's post, I better understand what he is getting at- the idea that if we are not conscientious of our own meat eating habits we are no better that eating other animals we deem as off limits. I still think killing giraffes is worse- there are far fewer of them and though not technically endangered, their numbers are getting relatively small and they are considered a "red light" or near endangered species which is not true for, say, pigs and cows. Yet, as eddiec pointed out, many of those animals are treated very cruelty.

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brianlux said:

Sorry guys, but this isn't about feeding the poor, it's this woman someone tweeting her photo like, "Aren't I cute lying here smiling next to this [beautiful] dead animal that I killed."

I never really imagined we'd see so many here defending this woman.

I'm really getting close to not renewing my membership here this year. Just not feeling like part of the club (or is it "team"?) these days.

I'm sorry I posted this. Maybe it will get locked.

Fuck it. I'm done here.

I don't know why you are letting other peoples opinion bother you much brian. Isn't that why you come here? We are all here because of Pearl Jam. Why cut off your membership because you don't like the opinions expressed here? Are these forums the main reason you renew?

HughFreakingDillon

I was outraged when I first saw it on facebook of ricky gervais shaming this woman, and I agreed with him completely. but there are good points made on the other side, like we are sitting here eating ground up cow because "IT'S BBQ SEASON, DUDES!!", but it seems that our moral outrage seems to be equal to the majesty/cuteness of the animal in question. if it was an ugly cow or bull she hunted down and fed the locals, we probably wouldn't be hearing about it. Giraffes are beautiful, but why do we guage the importance of an animal or species based on its looks?

because we do that with our own kind, that's why. women and men are judged the same. Sandra Bullock was deemed this year's world's most beautiful woman by People magazine, and the public eats it up. why? because she's a fucking celebrity. she scoffed at the idea, saying "how ridiculous, I haven't even told anyone". kudos to her. we need to stop basing importance of anything on subjective beauty.

look, I think hunting for sport is disgusting. if you want to do it barehanded, as nature intended, then have at it. that's equal. but I also realize that I'm no better by eating my 10 oz steak or my McGarbage because I'm "eating for sport(enjoyment)", which is really no different than hunting for sport (enjoyment). it's just easier for me to rationalize because I don't see it's cute face staring at me through a scope before I pour bbq sauce on its thigh.

brianlux

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brianlux said:

Sorry guys, but this isn't about feeding the poor, it's this woman someone tweeting her photo like, "Aren't I cute lying here smiling next to this [beautiful] dead animal that I killed."

I never really imagined we'd see so many here defending this woman.

I'm really getting close to not renewing my membership here this year. Just not feeling like part of the club (or is it "team"?) these days.

I'm sorry I posted this. Maybe it will get locked.

Fuck it. I'm done here.

I don't know why you are letting other peoples opinion bother you much brian. Isn't that why you come here? We are all here because of Pearl Jam. Why cut off your membership because you don't like the opinions expressed here? Are these forums the main reason you renew?

Any more they really are. I like sharing and learning about current events here. My frustration is that having grown up a boomer, I've watched my generation grow either more conservative or more unconcerned. I got excited about Pearl Jam for two reasons- 1) this band helped revive rock and roll . I have no complaints and they still rock hard but they aren't really doing anything new that excites me a whole lot anymore. and 2) it's audience was young and fired up about making changes. I'm seeing that to be less true as time goes on. PJ's generation, like mine, is growing less progressive, more conservative. It seems to be the way generations age. I can't do that. I'll just keep on being a feisty person looking to find ways to make things better until I croak.

Am I wrong or seeing things incorrectly? Is this generation losing it's vitality or am I just not seeing things clearly?

PJfanwillneverleave1

Here is another pic of a giraffe being sport hunted
Ricky Gervais roasted her too.
http://www.visiontimes.com/2014/12/19/oh-look-a-beautiful-giraffekill-it-yeah-thats-still-a-sport-heres-why.html

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

Last-12-Exit said:

brianlux said:

Sorry guys, but this isn't about feeding the poor, it's this woman someone tweeting her photo like, "Aren't I cute lying here smiling next to this [beautiful] dead animal that I killed."

I never really imagined we'd see so many here defending this woman.

I'm really getting close to not renewing my membership here this year. Just not feeling like part of the club (or is it "team"?) these days.

I'm sorry I posted this. Maybe it will get locked.

Fuck it. I'm done here.

I don't know why you are letting other peoples opinion bother you much brian. Isn't that why you come here? We are all here because of Pearl Jam. Why cut off your membership because you don't like the opinions expressed here? Are these forums the main reason you renew?

Any more they really are. I like sharing and learning about current events here. My frustration is that having grown up a boomer, I've watched my generation grow either more conservative or more unconcerned. I got excited about Pearl Jam for two reasons- 1) this band helped revive rock and roll . I have no complaints and they still rock hard but they aren't really doing anything new that excites me a whole lot anymore. and 2) it's audience was young and fired up about making changes. I'm seeing that to be less true as time goes on. PJ's generation, like mine, is growing less progressive, more conservative. It seems to be the way generations age. I can't do that. I'll just keep on being a feisty person looking to find ways to make things better until I croak.

Am I wrong or seeing things incorrectly? Is this generation losing it's vitality or am I just not seeing things clearly?

no, Brian, I don't believe you are seeing things incorrectly. the thing of it is, becoming a little less activist is an unfortunate casualty of aging. we get busier. we have kids. soccer practice. dance recitals. careers. not just college where many demonstrations and protests begin, which is easy to become engaged in.

I think it also has something to do with the digital age. we are constantly bombarded with so many causes, so much outrage, so much information at once, it is next to impossible to focus entirely on anything anymore. everyone is vying for our attention, and the consequence of that is most, as a result, get none of it.

that's just my jaded view of the digital age.

riotgrl

I might have less outrage about this picture if it was the people who lived there who were hunting this animal because they needed the food. This woman doesn't need the food and she can spin it however she likes but she was sport hunting plain and simple. I share your outrage Brian and have been so glad that Gervais has called her (and others) out on their selfish bullshit.

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brianlux said:

Last-12-Exit said:

brianlux said:

Sorry guys, but this isn't about feeding the poor, it's this woman someone tweeting her photo like, "Aren't I cute lying here smiling next to this [beautiful] dead animal that I killed."

I never really imagined we'd see so many here defending this woman.

I'm really getting close to not renewing my membership here this year. Just not feeling like part of the club (or is it "team"?) these days.

I'm sorry I posted this. Maybe it will get locked.

Fuck it. I'm done here.

I don't know why you are letting other peoples opinion bother you much brian. Isn't that why you come here? We are all here because of Pearl Jam. Why cut off your membership because you don't like the opinions expressed here? Are these forums the main reason you renew?

Any more they really are. I like sharing and learning about current events here. My frustration is that having grown up a boomer, I've watched my generation grow either more conservative or more unconcerned. I got excited about Pearl Jam for two reasons- 1) this band helped revive rock and roll . I have no complaints and they still rock hard but they aren't really doing anything new that excites me a whole lot anymore. and 2) it's audience was young and fired up about making changes. I'm seeing that to be less true as time goes on. PJ's generation, like mine, is growing less progressive, more conservative. It seems to be the way generations age. I can't do that. I'll just keep on being a feisty person looking to find ways to make things better until I croak.

Am I wrong or seeing things incorrectly? Is this generation losing it's vitality or am I just not seeing things clearly?

I don't think you're wrong expressing your beliefs. It would be a loss to the forums if you left. Personally, I wouldn't not renew my membership because of the forums. I thought a little differently during my suspension. But that was geared more towards how the boards are being run. Not from anybody's opinion.

Pearl jam is still keeping rock and roll alive. And the band is still involved and is still as active in making the world a better place. So they haven't necessarily changed. I agree with you about generations relaxing a bit as they age. Twenty years ago, who would have thought that generation X would be considered conservative? I am not a baby boomer, so I can't really speak about that. What I can say is that the older I have gotten the more liberal I've become.

WhatYouTaughtMe

brianlux said:

It been pointed out to me here and in a very kindly worded PM that I have over-reacted here. For that I humbly apologize. That photo really gut punched me and I had expected most here would share my perspective and share my outrage. Those kinds of expectations are unrealistic and in some ways unfair. So again, my apologies.

What disturbs me about this story are two things: that the woman would (as I see it, brazenly) tweet this "cute" picture in the first place and that even without the (what I see as grossly insensitive and disturbing) photograph, the idea that some believe that the answer to starvation is killing and eating large animals. These animals are becoming rare and many are endangered. There are 7 plus billion humans on this little planet. We cannot continue to consume large animals (eating high on the food chain) at the rate we do and expect nature to keep things in balance.

I also want to say that re-reading eddiec's post, I better understand what he is getting at- the idea that if we are not conscientious of our own meat eating habits we are no better that eating other animals we deem as off limits. I still think killing giraffes is worse- there are far fewer of them and though not technically endangered, their numbers are getting relatively small and they are considered a "red light" or near endangered species which is not true for, say, pigs and cows. Yet, as eddiec pointed out, many of those animals are treated very cruelty.

To me, all life should be treated with respect, even in death. Whatever your beliefs, something more powerful than us and beyond our understanding created it. It makes no difference if the animal was stuffed or eaten. There's something fucking wrong with people posing with anything they killed. It's morbid and this lady is no worse than the veterinarian who recently killed a cat with her bow and arrow and then posted it on facebook. What the fuck is wrong with people? I know a lot of people enjoy fishing and that's fine if you're eating it, but posting a picture because you tricked some fish who was trying to eat and survive into biting on your hook? Congrats! You tricked a simple life form into falling for your ploy! I don't understand the sport side of it.

backseatLover12

The story is 5 years old, but kudos to Ricky Gervais for calling her out.

backseatLover12

HughFreakingDillon said:

no, Brian, I don't believe you are seeing things incorrectly. the thing of it is, becoming a little less activist is an unfortunate casualty of aging. we get busier. we have kids. soccer practice. dance recitals. careers. not just college where many demonstrations and protests begin, which is easy to become engaged in.

I think it also has something to do with the digital age. we are constantly bombarded with so many causes, so much outrage, so much information at once, it is next to impossible to focus entirely on anything anymore. everyone is vying for our attention, and the consequence of that is most, as a result, get none of it.

that's just my jaded view of the digital age.

I wasn't going to get involved, but this cop out bolded here is such BULLSHIT. Maybe you have grown more conservative, but like Hell, will we the people, on this forum let you predict our lives like it's a blanket judgment. Speak for yourself next time. Look at the guys in the band and tell me that in their aging that they're becoming less of activists! Look at Brian Lux, and I'm certainly not becoming less involved in social activism. Should I go on?

WhatYouTaughtMe

backseatLover12 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

no, Brian, I don't believe you are seeing things incorrectly. the thing of it is, becoming a little less activist is an unfortunate casualty of aging. we get busier. we have kids. soccer practice. dance recitals. careers. not just college where many demonstrations and protests begin, which is easy to become engaged in.

I think it also has something to do with the digital age. we are constantly bombarded with so many causes, so much outrage, so much information at once, it is next to impossible to focus entirely on anything anymore. everyone is vying for our attention, and the consequence of that is most, as a result, get none of it.

that's just my jaded view of the digital age.

I wasn't going to get involved, but this cop out bolded here is such BULLSHIT. Maybe you have grown more conservative, but like Hell, will we the people, on this forum let you predict our lives like it's a blanket judgment. Speak for yourself next time. Look at the guys in the band and tell me that in their aging that they're becoming less of activists!

I thought he made some valid points. You could maybe speak for yourself. Because you feel you share a point of view with the band or the forum or something like that, it makes his point bullshit? I'm part of the forum and don't think just like everyone else here...

backseatLover12

Maybe for you, above. But he does not speak for the rest of us as if growing older makes us all more conservative. Look at Neil Young, Noam Chomsky, Elizabeth Warrne, Bernie Sanders, Willie Nelson, etc. etc.

WhatYouTaughtMe

backseatLover12 said:

Maybe for you, above. But he does not speak for the rest of us as if growing older makes us all more conservative. Look at Neil Young, Noam Chomsky, etc. etc.

Becoming less of an activist doesn't make you more conservative...you should really change that to he doesn't speak for "me" before telling someone to speak for themselves...ridiculous.

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backseatLover12 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

no, Brian, I don't believe you are seeing things incorrectly. the thing of it is, becoming a little less activist is an unfortunate casualty of aging. we get busier. we have kids. soccer practice. dance recitals. careers. not just college where many demonstrations and protests begin, which is easy to become engaged in.

I think it also has something to do with the digital age. we are constantly bombarded with so many causes, so much outrage, so much information at once, it is next to impossible to focus entirely on anything anymore. everyone is vying for our attention, and the consequence of that is most, as a result, get none of it.

that's just my jaded view of the digital age.

I wasn't going to get involved, but this cop out bolded here is such BULLSHIT. Maybe you have grown more conservative, but like Hell, will we the people, on this forum let you predict our lives like it's a blanket judgment. Speak for yourself next time. Look at the guys in the band and tell me that in their aging that they're becoming less of activists! Look at Brian Lux, and I'm certainly not becoming less involved in social activism. Should I go on?

Nobody said you or brian was becoming less involved in activism. The older people get, the less time they have to devote to this gs they did when they were younger. Whether it's raising a family, job, whatever. Hugh certainly didn't claim that as fact for all people.

hedonist

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

backseatLover12 said:

Maybe for you, above. But he does not speak for the rest of us as if growing older makes us all more conservative. Look at Neil Young, Noam Chomsky, etc. etc.

Becoming less of an activist doesn't make you more conservative...you should really change that to he doesn't speak for "me" before telling someone to speak for themselves...ridiculous.

Here here! Hugh's points make sense and didn't come across in tone and content as warranting such a combative response.

backseatLover12

no, Brian, I don't believe you are seeing things incorrectly. the thing of it is, becoming a little less activist is an unfortunate casualty of aging.

This is a blanket judgment. Not to mention completely false.

ETA: This is not a combative statement, it is simply a statement.

WhatYouTaughtMe

hedonist said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

backseatLover12 said:

Maybe for you, above. But he does not speak for the rest of us as if growing older makes us all more conservative. Look at Neil Young, Noam Chomsky, etc. etc.

Becoming less of an activist doesn't make you more conservative...you should really change that to he doesn't speak for "me" before telling someone to speak for themselves...ridiculous.

Here here! Hugh's points make sense and didn't come across in tone and content as warranting such a combative response.

Thanks. Let's police ourselves here and get back on topic instead of making the focus each other. My bad. Don't want to see anybody get warnings for directing posts at others instead of the topic.

backseatLover12

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

hedonist said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

backseatLover12 said:

Maybe for you, above. But he does not speak for the rest of us as if growing older makes us all more conservative. Look at Neil Young, Noam Chomsky, etc. etc.

Becoming less of an activist doesn't make you more conservative...you should really change that to he doesn't speak for "me" before telling someone to speak for themselves...ridiculous.

Here here! Hugh's points make sense and didn't come across in tone and content as warranting such a combative response.

Thanks. Let's police ourselves here and get back on topic instead of making the focus each other. My bad. Don't want to see anybody get warnings for directing posts at others instead of the topic.

Some good advice there.