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brianlux

What can I say? I just want to break things when I read stuff like this. What makes people this fucked up?

HEADS UP: This link contains what to me is a very disturbing photograph of a big "game" animal (giraffe) that has been shot.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/16/living/feat-hunter-giraffe-ricky-gervais/

23scidoo

stubid humans..

badbrains

humanity can do without this twat

g under p

IF And I say if from what I read is true I dont really have too much of a problem with what she did. Thats IF the meat from this beautiful animal was used for the village to eat.

Nows IF what she says about the animal is true. What I do have a problem is taking a smiling photo with the dead animal, as if she got pleasure from killing this animal. If you are killing the animal for food, then kill it and give it to the village and move on instead of an apparent promotion of herself.

We on the outside of this, I can see why many would have issues with this so called hunt. However, when humans are hungry and theres an old bull giraffe thats there to help solve hunger then I can understand the killing of thus animal.

I read somewhere Manny Pachaio's father killed the family dog when they had no food to feed the family. Manny left the family over it, I couldnt do that but I can understand why a human is capable of doing something like that.

Peace

lazloblue

I am not a fan of Hunting for Sport. And reading about this girl it looks as though that is her career.

HOWEVER!!! in this case::::Quote: "They asked me if I would preserve this giraffe by providing all the locals with food and other means of survival. ... I chose to honor his life by providing others with his uses and I do not regret it for one second. (The locals) did not waste a single part of him. I am grateful to be a part of something so good."

So, I am apt to believe this was Hunting for sustenance. Hard for us who pick up a couple of steaks at the grocery store already wrapped up in a cellophane package to understand. We don't live in Africa so we say what a beautiful animal. Some people might just think we are a bit barbaric the way we put cattle thru a shoot and pop a cap in their heads.

I don't like her career choice, but when hunting is done for food, as a carnivore I'm ok with that.

Last-12-Exit

This just doesn't bother me. People hunt. You can't go anywhere without seeing a picture of someone posing with whatever they have just killed down here. I don't hunt, but I've grown up watching everyone around me hunt. Plus, if it did provide food for the locals, what's the problem? That is the advantage of being on top of the food chain.

rgambs

Last-12-Exit said:

This just doesn't bother me. People hunt. You can't go anywhere without seeing a picture of someone posing with whatever they have just killed down here. I don't hunt, but I've grown up watching everyone around me hunt. Plus, if it did provide food for the locals, what's the problem? That is the advantage of being on top of the food chain.

The difference is that her life is a pursuit to find the most magnificent animals she can, and kill them for fun...not just deer, rabbit, turkey, that number in the millions, rare and beautiful animals killed for pleasure... Pretty sickening.

hedonist

g under p said:

IF And I say if from what I read is true I dont really have too much of a problem with what she did. Thats IF the meat from this beautiful animal was used for the village to eat.

Nows IF what she says about the animal is true. What I do have a problem is taking a smiling photo with the dead animal, as if she got pleasure from killing this animal. If you are killing the animal for food, then kill it and give it to the village and move on instead of an apparent promotion of herself.

We on the outside of this, I can see why many would have issues with this so called hunt. However, when humans are hungry and theres an old bull giraffe thats there to help solve hunger then I can understand the killing of thus animal.

I read somewhere Manny Pachaio's father killed the family dog when they had no food to feed the family. Manny left the family over it, I couldnt do that but I can understand why a human is capable of doing something like that.

Peace

The bolded part, exactly. That's what gets me...reminds me of the other young woman who took a smiling photo next to a big cat she'd killed.

Why is there even a need to take a damned picture?

callen

Always find it funny some people think (including me) that squirrels are cute yet rats are nasty. Almost identical with exception one having bushy tail and a better PR department. (Yes I stole this if you've heard before). So as folks have pointed out, who are we to say anything if we eat streak or chicken as these are animals as well and likely had worse existence than this giraffe.

Here's why, we don't relish the kill. I feel it's sick to be proud of how many types of animals you kill and with a fucking gun. The native Americans didn't relish killing buffalo, they understood need to do so yet honored the beast. I feel that if no one was looking and there was no way for the animal to be used and she could of snuck the head back to her lair she would of done so. Also justification of it being an older male and no longer a member of the in-crowd is shit thinking. Fuck Lux, GF and I should now be open game.

FINALLY, but think most important, humans are fucking up this planet and to kill one of these creatures that represents our planets great creatures in one of our greatest habits with now devastated large mammal population and bragging about killing one of the few left shows how fucked up a species we are. Fucking virus with shoes. Yes stole this as well.

lazloblue

Totally agree! It should be a humbling experience to take down any creature. Posing for beauty shots is completely unnecessary and shows a lack of respect for Nature.

g under p

Si

hedonist said:

g under p said:

IF And I say if from what I read is true I dont really have too much of a problem with what she did. Thats IF the meat from this beautiful animal was used for the village to eat.

Nows IF what she says about the animal is true. What I do have a problem is taking a smiling photo with the dead animal, as if she got pleasure from killing this animal. If you are killing the animal for food, then kill it and give it to the village and move on instead of an apparent promotion of herself.

We on the outside of this, I can see why many would have issues with this so called hunt. However, when humans are hungry and theres an old bull giraffe thats there to help solve hunger then I can understand the killing of thus animal.

I read somewhere Manny Pachaio's father killed the family dog when they had no food to feed the family. Manny left the family over it, I couldnt do that but I can understand why a human is capable of doing something like that.

Peace

The bolded part, exactly. That's what gets me...reminds me of the other young woman who took a smiling photo next to a big cat she'd killed.

Why is there even a need to take a damned picture?

Simply for those people who only care about self promotion will gladly, smile even laugh with an animal they just hunted and killed.

When I fish (rarely) I catch and release. I feel terrible if I caused the fish to bleed, I think many times what did I do wrong. I release them hoping they will be well, thats IF I can any.

Maybe thats why I havent gone fishing in a couple years. I say this after being a vegetarian for 6 years just a few years ago.

Peace

Last-12-Exit

So because she posed with the dead animal, it's disrespecting it? It's about to be eaten. Do you think the giraffe gives a fuck at this point?

I disagree that posing with your kill disrespects nature. It's not that big of a deal.

rgambs

Last-12-Exit said:

So because she posed with the dead animal, it's disrespecting it? It's about to be eaten. Do you think the giraffe gives a fuck at this point?

I disagree that posing with your kill disrespects nature. It's not that big of a deal.

So when a soldier or a cop makes a necessary kill you are totally cool with them posing and smiling with the body for a photo?
After all, they don't give a fuck at that point.

It's all about attitude and cheesy photo ops show a shitty attitide.

I also highly,doubt her version of the story, her hunting history shows she seeks big game thrills.... She didn't kill this beast for charity she did it for n kicks.

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rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

So because she posed with the dead animal, it's disrespecting it? It's about to be eaten. Do you think the giraffe gives a fuck at this point?

I disagree that posing with your kill disrespects nature. It's not that big of a deal.

So when a soldier or a cop makes a necessary kill you are totally cool with them posing and smiling with the body for a photo?
After all, they don't give a fuck at that point.

It's all about attitude and cheesy photo ops show a shitty attitide.

I also highly,doubt her version of the story, her hunting history shows she seeks big game thrills.... She didn't kill this beast for charity she did it for n kicks.

I'm not going to compare a dead animal to a dead human. It's just an animal.

And if her story turns out to be false, my opinion will change. I don't condone killing for sport.

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W

Last-12-Exit said:

So because she posed with the dead animal, it's disrespecting it? It's about to be eaten. Do you think the giraffe gives a fuck at this point?

I disagree that posing with your kill disrespects nature. It's not that big of a deal.

Whether disrespectful or not, it wasnt a necessity to take a smiling image. However, shes an apparent hunter so this must have been a thrill for her.

Kill the animal and let the village be able to eat. The village probably doesnt have a way to refrigerate this meat which means it may have to eaten in one sitting.

Peace

hedonist

Cheesy photo ops - that's it, gambo.

Whose mind goes to that after taking the life of an animal, especially done with proclaimed altruism? In my mind, that act is in no way connected to levity.

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g under p said:

W

Last-12-Exit said:

So because she posed with the dead animal, it's disrespecting it? It's about to be eaten. Do you think the giraffe gives a fuck at this point?

I disagree that posing with your kill disrespects nature. It's not that big of a deal.

Whether disrespectful or not, it wasnt a necessity to take a smiling image. However, shes an apparent hunter so this must have been a thrill for her.

Kill the animal and let the village be able to eat. The village probably doesnt have a way to refrigerate this meat which means it may have to eaten in one sitting.

Peace

Not necessarily as long as they know how to dehydrate the meat. Jerky lasts a long time.

eddiec

I find it strange that people get so outraged when an animal is killed that isn't within our 'allowable' food chain. For example, where is the worldwide condemnation when pigs spend their entire life in a cage they barely fit. The suffering endured by the animals that are part of our food industry is far worse than any of these hunted animals.

g under p

eddiec said:

I find it strange that people get so outraged when an animal is killed that isn't within are 'allowable' food chain. For example, where is the worldwide condemnation when pigs spend their entire life in a cage they barely fit. The suffering endured by the animals that are part of our food industry is far worse than any of these hunted animals.

EC I have to totally agree. I became a vegetarian after seeing the online films Food Inc and Earthlings. What our animals go through is far worse than those in Africa, the same goes to our animals we call kosher.

Peace

brianlux

Sorry guys, but this isn't about feeding the poor, it's this woman someone tweeting her photo like, "Aren't I cute lying here smiling next to this [beautiful] dead animal that I killed."

I never really imagined we'd see so many here defending this woman.

I'm really getting close to not renewing my membership here this year. Just not feeling like part of the club (or is it "team"?) these days.

I'm sorry I posted this. Maybe it will get locked.

Fuck it. I'm done here.

hedonist

Going by the club / team remark...maybe you allowed some comments get under your skin more than seeing the other viewpoints? Not sure anyone has supported (as eloquently mentioned earlier) self-promotion.

Hope you just need to cool down some, but I get the need for a break (or break-away).

g under p

brianlux said:

Sorry guys, but this isn't about feeding the poor, it's this woman someone tweeting her photo like, "Aren't I cute lying here smiling next to this [beautiful] dead animal that I killed."

I never really imagined we'd see so many here defending this woman.

I'm really getting close to not renewing my membership here this year. Just not feeling like part of the club (or is it "team"?) these days.

I'm sorry I posted this. Maybe it will get locked.

Fuck it. I'm done here.

Brian come on, I dont know this woman in any way other than your OP. I can only comment on what I read about this instance and what she did. If you notice in my first post Isaid IF when she hunted this animal it was done under the circumstances I read were true then I dont have a problem with the hunt. Anything short of that or if this was done solely for her own thrill then I would certainly condemn her actions. I'm as it were disgusted with the photo she took, they was no need for that at all.

Peace

brianlux

It been pointed out to me here and in a very kindly worded PM that I have over-reacted here. For that I humbly apologize. That photo really gut punched me and I had expected most here would share my perspective and share my outrage. Those kinds of expectations are unrealistic and in some ways unfair. So again, my apologies.

What disturbs me about this story are two things: that the woman would (as I see it, brazenly) tweet this "cute" picture in the first place and that even without the (what I see as grossly insensitive and disturbing) photograph, the idea that some believe that the answer to starvation is killing and eating large animals. These animals are becoming rare and many are endangered. There are 7 plus billion humans on this little planet. We cannot continue to consume large animals (eating high on the food chain) at the rate we do and expect nature to keep things in balance.

I also want to say that re-reading eddiec's post, I better understand what he is getting at- the idea that if we are not conscientious of our own meat eating habits we are no better that eating other animals we deem as off limits. I still think killing giraffes is worse- there are far fewer of them and though not technically endangered, their numbers are getting relatively small and they are considered a "red light" or near endangered species which is not true for, say, pigs and cows. Yet, as eddiec pointed out, many of those animals are treated very cruelty.

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brianlux said:

Sorry guys, but this isn't about feeding the poor, it's this woman someone tweeting her photo like, "Aren't I cute lying here smiling next to this [beautiful] dead animal that I killed."

I never really imagined we'd see so many here defending this woman.

I'm really getting close to not renewing my membership here this year. Just not feeling like part of the club (or is it "team"?) these days.

I'm sorry I posted this. Maybe it will get locked.

Fuck it. I'm done here.

I don't know why you are letting other peoples opinion bother you much brian. Isn't that why you come here? We are all here because of Pearl Jam. Why cut off your membership because you don't like the opinions expressed here? Are these forums the main reason you renew?

HughFreakingDillon

I was outraged when I first saw it on facebook of ricky gervais shaming this woman, and I agreed with him completely. but there are good points made on the other side, like we are sitting here eating ground up cow because "IT'S BBQ SEASON, DUDES!!", but it seems that our moral outrage seems to be equal to the majesty/cuteness of the animal in question. if it was an ugly cow or bull she hunted down and fed the locals, we probably wouldn't be hearing about it. Giraffes are beautiful, but why do we guage the importance of an animal or species based on its looks?

because we do that with our own kind, that's why. women and men are judged the same. Sandra Bullock was deemed this year's world's most beautiful woman by People magazine, and the public eats it up. why? because she's a fucking celebrity. she scoffed at the idea, saying "how ridiculous, I haven't even told anyone". kudos to her. we need to stop basing importance of anything on subjective beauty.

look, I think hunting for sport is disgusting. if you want to do it barehanded, as nature intended, then have at it. that's equal. but I also realize that I'm no better by eating my 10 oz steak or my McGarbage because I'm "eating for sport(enjoyment)", which is really no different than hunting for sport (enjoyment). it's just easier for me to rationalize because I don't see it's cute face staring at me through a scope before I pour bbq sauce on its thigh.

brianlux

Last-12-Exit said:

brianlux said:

Sorry guys, but this isn't about feeding the poor, it's this woman someone tweeting her photo like, "Aren't I cute lying here smiling next to this [beautiful] dead animal that I killed."

I never really imagined we'd see so many here defending this woman.

I'm really getting close to not renewing my membership here this year. Just not feeling like part of the club (or is it "team"?) these days.

I'm sorry I posted this. Maybe it will get locked.

Fuck it. I'm done here.

I don't know why you are letting other peoples opinion bother you much brian. Isn't that why you come here? We are all here because of Pearl Jam. Why cut off your membership because you don't like the opinions expressed here? Are these forums the main reason you renew?

Any more they really are. I like sharing and learning about current events here. My frustration is that having grown up a boomer, I've watched my generation grow either more conservative or more unconcerned. I got excited about Pearl Jam for two reasons- 1) this band helped revive rock and roll . I have no complaints and they still rock hard but they aren't really doing anything new that excites me a whole lot anymore. and 2) it's audience was young and fired up about making changes. I'm seeing that to be less true as time goes on. PJ's generation, like mine, is growing less progressive, more conservative. It seems to be the way generations age. I can't do that. I'll just keep on being a feisty person looking to find ways to make things better until I croak.

Am I wrong or seeing things incorrectly? Is this generation losing it's vitality or am I just not seeing things clearly?

PJfanwillneverleave1

Here is another pic of a giraffe being sport hunted
Ricky Gervais roasted her too.
http://www.visiontimes.com/2014/12/19/oh-look-a-beautiful-giraffekill-it-yeah-thats-still-a-sport-heres-why.html

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

Last-12-Exit said:

brianlux said:

Sorry guys, but this isn't about feeding the poor, it's this woman someone tweeting her photo like, "Aren't I cute lying here smiling next to this [beautiful] dead animal that I killed."

I never really imagined we'd see so many here defending this woman.

I'm really getting close to not renewing my membership here this year. Just not feeling like part of the club (or is it "team"?) these days.

I'm sorry I posted this. Maybe it will get locked.

Fuck it. I'm done here.

I don't know why you are letting other peoples opinion bother you much brian. Isn't that why you come here? We are all here because of Pearl Jam. Why cut off your membership because you don't like the opinions expressed here? Are these forums the main reason you renew?

Any more they really are. I like sharing and learning about current events here. My frustration is that having grown up a boomer, I've watched my generation grow either more conservative or more unconcerned. I got excited about Pearl Jam for two reasons- 1) this band helped revive rock and roll . I have no complaints and they still rock hard but they aren't really doing anything new that excites me a whole lot anymore. and 2) it's audience was young and fired up about making changes. I'm seeing that to be less true as time goes on. PJ's generation, like mine, is growing less progressive, more conservative. It seems to be the way generations age. I can't do that. I'll just keep on being a feisty person looking to find ways to make things better until I croak.

Am I wrong or seeing things incorrectly? Is this generation losing it's vitality or am I just not seeing things clearly?

no, Brian, I don't believe you are seeing things incorrectly. the thing of it is, becoming a little less activist is an unfortunate casualty of aging. we get busier. we have kids. soccer practice. dance recitals. careers. not just college where many demonstrations and protests begin, which is easy to become engaged in.

I think it also has something to do with the digital age. we are constantly bombarded with so many causes, so much outrage, so much information at once, it is next to impossible to focus entirely on anything anymore. everyone is vying for our attention, and the consequence of that is most, as a result, get none of it.

that's just my jaded view of the digital age.

riotgrl

I might have less outrage about this picture if it was the people who lived there who were hunting this animal because they needed the food. This woman doesn't need the food and she can spin it however she likes but she was sport hunting plain and simple. I share your outrage Brian and have been so glad that Gervais has called her (and others) out on their selfish bullshit.

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brianlux said:

Last-12-Exit said:

brianlux said:

Sorry guys, but this isn't about feeding the poor, it's this woman someone tweeting her photo like, "Aren't I cute lying here smiling next to this [beautiful] dead animal that I killed."

I never really imagined we'd see so many here defending this woman.

I'm really getting close to not renewing my membership here this year. Just not feeling like part of the club (or is it "team"?) these days.

I'm sorry I posted this. Maybe it will get locked.

Fuck it. I'm done here.

I don't know why you are letting other peoples opinion bother you much brian. Isn't that why you come here? We are all here because of Pearl Jam. Why cut off your membership because you don't like the opinions expressed here? Are these forums the main reason you renew?

Any more they really are. I like sharing and learning about current events here. My frustration is that having grown up a boomer, I've watched my generation grow either more conservative or more unconcerned. I got excited about Pearl Jam for two reasons- 1) this band helped revive rock and roll . I have no complaints and they still rock hard but they aren't really doing anything new that excites me a whole lot anymore. and 2) it's audience was young and fired up about making changes. I'm seeing that to be less true as time goes on. PJ's generation, like mine, is growing less progressive, more conservative. It seems to be the way generations age. I can't do that. I'll just keep on being a feisty person looking to find ways to make things better until I croak.

Am I wrong or seeing things incorrectly? Is this generation losing it's vitality or am I just not seeing things clearly?

I don't think you're wrong expressing your beliefs. It would be a loss to the forums if you left. Personally, I wouldn't not renew my membership because of the forums. I thought a little differently during my suspension. But that was geared more towards how the boards are being run. Not from anybody's opinion.

Pearl jam is still keeping rock and roll alive. And the band is still involved and is still as active in making the world a better place. So they haven't necessarily changed. I agree with you about generations relaxing a bit as they age. Twenty years ago, who would have thought that generation X would be considered conservative? I am not a baby boomer, so I can't really speak about that. What I can say is that the older I have gotten the more liberal I've become.

WhatYouTaughtMe

brianlux said:

It been pointed out to me here and in a very kindly worded PM that I have over-reacted here. For that I humbly apologize. That photo really gut punched me and I had expected most here would share my perspective and share my outrage. Those kinds of expectations are unrealistic and in some ways unfair. So again, my apologies.

What disturbs me about this story are two things: that the woman would (as I see it, brazenly) tweet this "cute" picture in the first place and that even without the (what I see as grossly insensitive and disturbing) photograph, the idea that some believe that the answer to starvation is killing and eating large animals. These animals are becoming rare and many are endangered. There are 7 plus billion humans on this little planet. We cannot continue to consume large animals (eating high on the food chain) at the rate we do and expect nature to keep things in balance.

I also want to say that re-reading eddiec's post, I better understand what he is getting at- the idea that if we are not conscientious of our own meat eating habits we are no better that eating other animals we deem as off limits. I still think killing giraffes is worse- there are far fewer of them and though not technically endangered, their numbers are getting relatively small and they are considered a "red light" or near endangered species which is not true for, say, pigs and cows. Yet, as eddiec pointed out, many of those animals are treated very cruelty.

To me, all life should be treated with respect, even in death. Whatever your beliefs, something more powerful than us and beyond our understanding created it. It makes no difference if the animal was stuffed or eaten. There's something fucking wrong with people posing with anything they killed. It's morbid and this lady is no worse than the veterinarian who recently killed a cat with her bow and arrow and then posted it on facebook. What the fuck is wrong with people? I know a lot of people enjoy fishing and that's fine if you're eating it, but posting a picture because you tricked some fish who was trying to eat and survive into biting on your hook? Congrats! You tricked a simple life form into falling for your ploy! I don't understand the sport side of it.