Meanwhile back in Israel

nicknyr15

benjs said:

An honest question - whether or not it’s ethnic cleansing, what is accomplished by calling it that by you or me? No one is swaying hearts or minds on here, and extreme language like this that can be disputed only serves to further alienate each side from the other. Why not horrific, unimaginable, disproportionate, a nightmare, or some other words which are less likely to be disputed?

The kind of language used here just makes me convinced that no one is here to learn or teach, just to prove themselves right and to walk away a bit more smug than they arrived here. Not dissimilar to the state of discourse away from this forum either. Discourse is either venom spewed at your opponents or a circle jerk with those you agree with at this point.

Wow. You summed up AMT so eloquently and the general problem in politics today.  Well done 

Halifax2TheMax

benjs said:

An honest question - whether or not it’s ethnic cleansing, what is accomplished by calling it that by you or me? No one is swaying hearts or minds on here, and extreme language like this that can be disputed only serves to further alienate each side from the other. Why not horrific, unimaginable, disproportionate, a nightmare, or some other words which are less likely to be disputed?

The kind of language used here just makes me convinced that no one is here to learn or teach, just to prove themselves right and to walk away a bit more smug than they arrived here. Not dissimilar to the state of discourse away from this forum either. Discourse is either venom spewed at your opponents or a circle jerk with those you agree with at this point.

Why not call it what it is? Then “never again” rings hollow. Or, there appears to be an exception to who the term “ethnic cleansing” applies to based upon who the perpetrators and victims are. Humanity needs, indeed requires, to be honest with itself. Collectively.

I implore everyone to read South Africa’s complaint. It’s only 85 pages, much of which is footnoted sources. But I’m sure most on here can’t “be bothered.”

Should we not call what Nazi Germany did a “holocaust” because it wasn’t fully successful or because we risk coming across as a “bit more smug?” The “smugness” is calling what is happening in Palestine just another conflict or “war is hell” and have we, collectively, and particularly the West, not learned a fucking thing?

benjs

Halifax2TheMax said:

benjs said:

An honest question - whether or not it’s ethnic cleansing, what is accomplished by calling it that by you or me? No one is swaying hearts or minds on here, and extreme language like this that can be disputed only serves to further alienate each side from the other. Why not horrific, unimaginable, disproportionate, a nightmare, or some other words which are less likely to be disputed?

The kind of language used here just makes me convinced that no one is here to learn or teach, just to prove themselves right and to walk away a bit more smug than they arrived here. Not dissimilar to the state of discourse away from this forum either. Discourse is either venom spewed at your opponents or a circle jerk with those you agree with at this point.

Why not call it what it is? Then “never again” rings hollow. Or, there appears to be an exception to who the term “ethnic cleansing” applies to based upon who the perpetrators and victims are. Humanity needs, indeed requires, to be honest with itself. Collectively.

I implore everyone to read South Africa’s complaint. It’s only 85 pages, much of which is footnoted sources. But I’m sure most on here can’t “be bothered.”

Should we not call what Nazi Germany did a “holocaust” because it wasn’t fully successful or because we risk coming across as a “bit more smug?” The “smugness” is calling what is happening in Palestine just another conflict or “war is hell” and have we, collectively, and particularly the West, not learned a fucking thing?

Call it what you (but not everyone) feels it is, and lose the audience of people you are trying to persuade. Suit yourself, but don’t be surprised when no one reads what you share. Like I said - when it’s clear you have more interest in being right than a genuine debate or discussion, you will sway no minds. 

23scidoo

I wonder if there were two other countries in the position of Israel and Palestine, how would the world community react??..

Halifax2TheMax

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

benjs said:

An honest question - whether or not it’s ethnic cleansing, what is accomplished by calling it that by you or me? No one is swaying hearts or minds on here, and extreme language like this that can be disputed only serves to further alienate each side from the other. Why not horrific, unimaginable, disproportionate, a nightmare, or some other words which are less likely to be disputed?

The kind of language used here just makes me convinced that no one is here to learn or teach, just to prove themselves right and to walk away a bit more smug than they arrived here. Not dissimilar to the state of discourse away from this forum either. Discourse is either venom spewed at your opponents or a circle jerk with those you agree with at this point.

Why not call it what it is? Then “never again” rings hollow. Or, there appears to be an exception to who the term “ethnic cleansing” applies to based upon who the perpetrators and victims are. Humanity needs, indeed requires, to be honest with itself. Collectively.

I implore everyone to read South Africa’s complaint. It’s only 85 pages, much of which is footnoted sources. But I’m sure most on here can’t “be bothered.”

Should we not call what Nazi Germany did a “holocaust” because it wasn’t fully successful or because we risk coming across as a “bit more smug?” The “smugness” is calling what is happening in Palestine just another conflict or “war is hell” and have we, collectively, and particularly the West, not learned a fucking thing?

Call it what you (but not everyone) feels it is, and lose the audience of people you are trying to persuade. Suit yourself, but don’t be surprised when no one reads what you share. Like I said - when it’s clear you have more interest in being right than a genuine debate or discussion, you will sway no minds. 

I don’t really care if people “read what I write” but rather the source document information that I’ve posted. It’s not “me” making the claim but rather a UN recognized nation with street cred as it relates to these types of things. Feel free to put me on ignore or read/don’t read what I write, post or link to. It’s still a free country last time I checked. And if you, general you, don’t read the source material that I post, don’t expect me to take any subsequent posts of yours, general your, seriously.

As far as being “right” goes, I have yet to see any posts disputing what South Africa has alleged or anyone defending Israel except for “Hamas or ‘they’ started it”, continuing to conflate the Palestinian people as one complete terrorist organization as Israeli leadership, press and some of the public profess. Guess I’m “right?”

Lerxst1992

benjs said:

An honest question - whether or not it’s ethnic cleansing, what is accomplished by calling it that by you or me? No one is swaying hearts or minds on here, and extreme language like this that can be disputed only serves to further alienate each side from the other. Why not horrific, unimaginable, disproportionate, a nightmare, or some other words which are less likely to be disputed?

The kind of language used here just makes me convinced that no one is here to learn or teach, just to prove themselves right and to walk away a bit more smug than they arrived here. Not dissimilar to the state of discourse away from this forum either. Discourse is either venom spewed at your opponents or a circle jerk with those you agree with at this point.

I know you dislike the Israeli govt actions, personally I’d be thrilled if somehow Netanyahu could be forced out, be thrilled if somehow a peace deal can happen, but Hals non  stop ranting of ethnic cleaning is a bit of a joke, I’d say offensive only because it’s been ongoing non stop for months. Ethnic cleaning that began with the murder of 1500 Jews and 250 hostages? Was that part of Israel’s plan ?

it’s a bit rich, considering the Jews are the victims of ethic cleansing unlike any other, from Hitler to the Romans. 

Did Hal rant endlessly like this every day about Putin ethnically cleansing Ukraine? Did South America sue Russia? Something about the Jews and israel bring out hatred that other places do not.

Or he doesn’t because he doesn’t believe any Russian supporters read this forum? If that’s the case the mods should shut this and all mid east topics down permanently, as it’s not serving any purpose other than his targeting.

Lerxst1992

Halifax2TheMax said:

benjs said:

An honest question - whether or not it’s ethnic cleansing, what is accomplished by calling it that by you or me? No one is swaying hearts or minds on here, and extreme language like this that can be disputed only serves to further alienate each side from the other. Why not horrific, unimaginable, disproportionate, a nightmare, or some other words which are less likely to be disputed?

The kind of language used here just makes me convinced that no one is here to learn or teach, just to prove themselves right and to walk away a bit more smug than they arrived here. Not dissimilar to the state of discourse away from this forum either. Discourse is either venom spewed at your opponents or a circle jerk with those you agree with at this point.

Why not call it what it is? Then “never again” rings hollow. Or, there appears to be an exception to who the term “ethnic cleansing” applies to based upon who the perpetrators and victims are. Humanity needs, indeed requires, to be honest with itself. Collectively.

I implore everyone to read South Africa’s complaint. It’s only 85 pages, much of which is footnoted sources. But I’m sure most on here can’t “be bothered.”

Should we not call what Nazi Germany did a “holocaust” because it wasn’t fully successful or because we risk coming across as a “bit more smug?” The “smugness” is calling what is happening in Palestine just another conflict or “war is hell” and have we, collectively, and particularly the West, not learned a fucking thing?

Showing off your true colors. Your hatred is obvious.

Almost flagged this for the mods. This post is offensive. To compare the current horrible war in Gaza to Hitler is offensive. You are doing this with specific purpose to create anger amongst certain specific users. It is 100% in violation of the spirit of the rules here since it’s targeted towards a certain audience and has been occurring for months without end.

are the Israelis going door to door and pulling Palestinians from their home, putting them in concentration camps and killing six million of them?

about 20% of Israel’s population IS Palestinian. Inside Israel. Is Israel going door to door, pulling Palestinian parents from babies inside Israel and sending the parents to the gas chambers?

@kat, please shut this topic down permanently

mickeyrat

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

benjs said:

An honest question - whether or not it’s ethnic cleansing, what is accomplished by calling it that by you or me? No one is swaying hearts or minds on here, and extreme language like this that can be disputed only serves to further alienate each side from the other. Why not horrific, unimaginable, disproportionate, a nightmare, or some other words which are less likely to be disputed?

The kind of language used here just makes me convinced that no one is here to learn or teach, just to prove themselves right and to walk away a bit more smug than they arrived here. Not dissimilar to the state of discourse away from this forum either. Discourse is either venom spewed at your opponents or a circle jerk with those you agree with at this point.

Why not call it what it is? Then “never again” rings hollow. Or, there appears to be an exception to who the term “ethnic cleansing” applies to based upon who the perpetrators and victims are. Humanity needs, indeed requires, to be honest with itself. Collectively.

I implore everyone to read South Africa’s complaint. It’s only 85 pages, much of which is footnoted sources. But I’m sure most on here can’t “be bothered.”

Should we not call what Nazi Germany did a “holocaust” because it wasn’t fully successful or because we risk coming across as a “bit more smug?” The “smugness” is calling what is happening in Palestine just another conflict or “war is hell” and have we, collectively, and particularly the West, not learned a fucking thing?

Showing off your true colors. Your hatred is obvious.

Almost flagged this for the mods. This post is offensive. To compare the current horrible war in Gaza to Hitler is offensive. You are doing this with specific purpose to create anger amongst certain specific users. It is 100% in violation of the spirit of the rules here since it’s targeted towards a certain audience and has been occurring for months without end.

are the Israelis going door to door and pulling Palestinians from their home, putting them in concentration camps and killing six million of them?

about 20% of Israel’s population IS Palestinian. Inside Israel. Is Israel going door to door, pulling Palestinian parents from babies inside Israel and sending the parents to the gas chambers?

@kat, please shut this topic down permanently

by whos estimation will you accept the reporting of dead and injured Palestinians?

Why wont you answer this simple question?

gimmesometruth27

mickeyrat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

benjs said:

An honest question - whether or not it’s ethnic cleansing, what is accomplished by calling it that by you or me? No one is swaying hearts or minds on here, and extreme language like this that can be disputed only serves to further alienate each side from the other. Why not horrific, unimaginable, disproportionate, a nightmare, or some other words which are less likely to be disputed?

The kind of language used here just makes me convinced that no one is here to learn or teach, just to prove themselves right and to walk away a bit more smug than they arrived here. Not dissimilar to the state of discourse away from this forum either. Discourse is either venom spewed at your opponents or a circle jerk with those you agree with at this point.

Why not call it what it is? Then “never again” rings hollow. Or, there appears to be an exception to who the term “ethnic cleansing” applies to based upon who the perpetrators and victims are. Humanity needs, indeed requires, to be honest with itself. Collectively.

I implore everyone to read South Africa’s complaint. It’s only 85 pages, much of which is footnoted sources. But I’m sure most on here can’t “be bothered.”

Should we not call what Nazi Germany did a “holocaust” because it wasn’t fully successful or because we risk coming across as a “bit more smug?” The “smugness” is calling what is happening in Palestine just another conflict or “war is hell” and have we, collectively, and particularly the West, not learned a fucking thing?

Showing off your true colors. Your hatred is obvious.

Almost flagged this for the mods. This post is offensive. To compare the current horrible war in Gaza to Hitler is offensive. You are doing this with specific purpose to create anger amongst certain specific users. It is 100% in violation of the spirit of the rules here since it’s targeted towards a certain audience and has been occurring for months without end.

are the Israelis going door to door and pulling Palestinians from their home, putting them in concentration camps and killing six million of them?

about 20% of Israel’s population IS Palestinian. Inside Israel. Is Israel going door to door, pulling Palestinian parents from babies inside Israel and sending the parents to the gas chambers?

@kat, please shut this topic down permanently

by whos estimation will you accept the reporting of dead and injured Palestinians?

Why wont you answer this simple question?

i have been waiting for an answer to this too. 

gimmesometruth27

Lerxst1992 said:

benjs said:

An honest question - whether or not it’s ethnic cleansing, what is accomplished by calling it that by you or me? No one is swaying hearts or minds on here, and extreme language like this that can be disputed only serves to further alienate each side from the other. Why not horrific, unimaginable, disproportionate, a nightmare, or some other words which are less likely to be disputed?

The kind of language used here just makes me convinced that no one is here to learn or teach, just to prove themselves right and to walk away a bit more smug than they arrived here. Not dissimilar to the state of discourse away from this forum either. Discourse is either venom spewed at your opponents or a circle jerk with those you agree with at this point.

I know you dislike the Israeli govt actions, personally I’d be thrilled if somehow Netanyahu could be forced out, be thrilled if somehow a peace deal can happen, but Hals non  stop ranting of ethnic cleaning is a bit of a joke, I’d say offensive only because it’s been ongoing non stop for months. Ethnic cleaning that began with the murder of 1500 Jews and 250 hostages? Was that part of Israel’s plan ?

it’s a bit rich, considering the Jews are the victims of ethic cleansing unlike any other, from Hitler to the Romans. 

Did Hal rant endlessly like this every day about Putin ethnically cleansing Ukraine? Did South America sue Russia? Something about the Jews and israel bring out hatred that other places do not.

Or he doesn’t because he doesn’t believe any Russian supporters read this forum? If that’s the case the mods should shut this and all mid east topics down permanently, as it’s not serving any purpose other than his targeting.

yes or no question for you.

do you believe that the october attack was in response to the policies of the israeli government?

Halifax2TheMax

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

benjs said:

An honest question - whether or not it’s ethnic cleansing, what is accomplished by calling it that by you or me? No one is swaying hearts or minds on here, and extreme language like this that can be disputed only serves to further alienate each side from the other. Why not horrific, unimaginable, disproportionate, a nightmare, or some other words which are less likely to be disputed?

The kind of language used here just makes me convinced that no one is here to learn or teach, just to prove themselves right and to walk away a bit more smug than they arrived here. Not dissimilar to the state of discourse away from this forum either. Discourse is either venom spewed at your opponents or a circle jerk with those you agree with at this point.

Why not call it what it is? Then “never again” rings hollow. Or, there appears to be an exception to who the term “ethnic cleansing” applies to based upon who the perpetrators and victims are. Humanity needs, indeed requires, to be honest with itself. Collectively.

I implore everyone to read South Africa’s complaint. It’s only 85 pages, much of which is footnoted sources. But I’m sure most on here can’t “be bothered.”

Should we not call what Nazi Germany did a “holocaust” because it wasn’t fully successful or because we risk coming across as a “bit more smug?” The “smugness” is calling what is happening in Palestine just another conflict or “war is hell” and have we, collectively, and particularly the West, not learned a fucking thing?

Showing off your true colors. Your hatred is obvious.

Almost flagged this for the mods. This post is offensive. To compare the current horrible war in Gaza to Hitler is offensive. You are doing this with specific purpose to create anger amongst certain specific users. It is 100% in violation of the spirit of the rules here since it’s targeted towards a certain audience and has been occurring for months without end.

are the Israelis going door to door and pulling Palestinians from their home, putting them in concentration camps and killing six million of them?

about 20% of Israel’s population IS Palestinian. Inside Israel. Is Israel going door to door, pulling Palestinian parents from babies inside Israel and sending the parents to the gas chambers?

@kat, please shut this topic down permanently

I suggest that you read all 85 pages of South Africa’s filing and complaint filed with the court. If you do, you’ll find the answers to whether Israelis, notice I didn’t say “Jews,” are wantonly and discriminately killing Palestinian men, woman and children non-combatants. Member nations of the UN are party to and have a responsibility to conduct military operations in a particular way. Jewish history and terrorist attacks don’t negate that responsibility nor excuse their actions.

Like Hillel, trying to shut down discussion and keep the truth from being known as if Israel is nothing but an innocent victim from 1947, and particularly since 1967, onward.

Unlike you, I can separate the Jewish religion from the State of Israel and the current Zionists running things, and I certainly don’t condemn all Jews for the actions of their recognized state of Israel.

Tell me, do the 250,000 Palestinians in Israel proper enjoy the full rights and benefits of it Jewish citizens? Are they considered and treated as equals?:

In Israel proper, Palestinians constitute almost 21 percent of the population as part of its Arab citizens. Many are Palestinian refugees or internally displaced Palestinians, including more than a million in the Gaza Strip, around 750,000 in the West Bank, and around 250,000 in Israel proper.

We know how Palestinians are treated in Gaza and the West Bank. 

I’ll ask you again, knowing you won’t answer, how many dead Palestinians will it take to avenge Israel’s losses on 10/07/2023?

Halifax2TheMax

Lerxst1992 said:

benjs said:

An honest question - whether or not it’s ethnic cleansing, what is accomplished by calling it that by you or me? No one is swaying hearts or minds on here, and extreme language like this that can be disputed only serves to further alienate each side from the other. Why not horrific, unimaginable, disproportionate, a nightmare, or some other words which are less likely to be disputed?

The kind of language used here just makes me convinced that no one is here to learn or teach, just to prove themselves right and to walk away a bit more smug than they arrived here. Not dissimilar to the state of discourse away from this forum either. Discourse is either venom spewed at your opponents or a circle jerk with those you agree with at this point.

I know you dislike the Israeli govt actions, personally I’d be thrilled if somehow Netanyahu could be forced out, be thrilled if somehow a peace deal can happen, but Hals non  stop ranting of ethnic cleaning is a bit of a joke, I’d say offensive only because it’s been ongoing non stop for months. Ethnic cleaning that began with the murder of 1500 Jews and 250 hostages? Was that part of Israel’s plan ?

it’s a bit rich, considering the Jews are the victims of ethic cleansing unlike any other, from Hitler to the Romans. 

Did Hal rant endlessly like this every day about Putin ethnically cleansing Ukraine? Did South America sue Russia? Something about the Jews and israel bring out hatred that other places do not.

Or he doesn’t because he doesn’t believe any Russian supporters read this forum? If that’s the case the mods should shut this and all mid east topics down permanently, as it’s not serving any purpose other than his targeting.

I’ll respond to the points you raise.

Did Bibi look the other way and support Hamas to prevent a two state or sharing of a single state solution and contribute to what happened on 10/07? Seems so based on past statements made by him and his Zionist supporters. Was it intentional? Question remains but certainly bears partial responsibility for the funding approval and ignorance of what was occurring and his government’s collective complacency. Not to mention 20+ years of land seizures and Israeli settler attacks in the West Bank.

One would think that knowing the history of Nazi germany, what occurred and the history of the Jews from the Romans to Hitler that they would be the last people to commit genocide (South Africa’s accusation and feel free to argue about what is and has happened in Gaza and the West Bank is not). Because they have suffered does not give them a pass or carte Blanche to committing military actions that result in the same outcome. Whether it’s 2000 lbs bombs dropped on apartment complexes, artillery barrages, sniper fire or house to house raids, forced evacuations and detainments without charge, collectively, it amounts to the same thing. Again, I refer you to South Africa’s court filing.

Did Russia invade Ukraine and commit war crimes? Absolutely. Should Putin on the ritz be held accountable? Absolutely. Does it disturb me as much as what is happening to the Palestinians? Absolutely. The difference? Ukraine has a standing army, western arms and support and seems to be holding their own under a government of their choosing and from within their recognized borders. What do the Palestinians have? A terrorist organization that has successfully convinced you and others that all Palestinians in Gaza are terrorists and deserve to be slaughtered. And not much else.

Let’s not forget the Chinese suppression and ethnic cleansing of the Uyghurs and Myanmar’s same of the Rohingya. Regardless of the perpetrators and victims, genocide and ethnic cleansing are always unacceptable and they all bother my conscience.

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/Ron_Skolnik/status/1745923363116138521?t=cCfHQqzyzzcdK9-1MMFOtQ&s=19

Halifax2TheMax

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/Ron_Skolnik/status/1745923363116138521?t=cCfHQqzyzzcdK9-1MMFOtQ&s=19

The West Bank? I thought the West Bank was a shangrala of Palestinian freedom and self determination where they owned all the land and had freedom of movement and enjoy all the same rights and freedoms as Israelis? Why would blood be spilt in the West Bank? Oh, and let me guess, Israel bears no responsibility and is the victim here as well?

Halifax2TheMax

Lerxst1992 said:

benjs said:

An honest question - whether or not it’s ethnic cleansing, what is accomplished by calling it that by you or me? No one is swaying hearts or minds on here, and extreme language like this that can be disputed only serves to further alienate each side from the other. Why not horrific, unimaginable, disproportionate, a nightmare, or some other words which are less likely to be disputed?

The kind of language used here just makes me convinced that no one is here to learn or teach, just to prove themselves right and to walk away a bit more smug than they arrived here. Not dissimilar to the state of discourse away from this forum either. Discourse is either venom spewed at your opponents or a circle jerk with those you agree with at this point.

I know you dislike the Israeli govt actions, personally I’d be thrilled if somehow Netanyahu could be forced out, be thrilled if somehow a peace deal can happen, but Hals non  stop ranting of ethnic cleaning is a bit of a joke, I’d say offensive only because it’s been ongoing non stop for months. Ethnic cleaning that began with the murder of 1500 Jews and 250 hostages? Was that part of Israel’s plan ?

it’s a bit rich, considering the Jews are the victims of ethic cleansing unlike any other, from Hitler to the Romans. 

Did Hal rant endlessly like this every day about Putin ethnically cleansing Ukraine? Did South America sue Russia? Something about the Jews and israel bring out hatred that other places do not.

Or he doesn’t because he doesn’t believe any Russian supporters read this forum? If that’s the case the mods should shut this and all mid east topics down permanently, as it’s not serving any purpose other than his targeting.

To the specific, bolded question about me, Ruska, the what?, #3 or maybe #5 military might in the world, nuclear armed too, and look and see how Israel has vastly surpassed them in a much less span of time (21 months vs. 3 months). Do the math.

It does make me wonder though, do you understand the concept of economies of scale? Because if you do, you’d admit that Israel is pretty efficient.

If you can admit that Putin on the ritz and Russia, Russia, Russia should be accused of war crimes and ethnic cleansing and held accountable, then surely you can admit that BiBi and Israel should be accused of war crimes and held accountable. Maybe you chose the wrong comparison?

Per the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, as of November 21, 2023 “At least 10,000 civilians, including more than 560 children, have been killed and over 18,500 have been injured since Russia launched its a full-scale armed attack against Ukraine on 24 February 2022 ...”

mickeyrat

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

benjs said:

An honest question - whether or not it’s ethnic cleansing, what is accomplished by calling it that by you or me? No one is swaying hearts or minds on here, and extreme language like this that can be disputed only serves to further alienate each side from the other. Why not horrific, unimaginable, disproportionate, a nightmare, or some other words which are less likely to be disputed?

The kind of language used here just makes me convinced that no one is here to learn or teach, just to prove themselves right and to walk away a bit more smug than they arrived here. Not dissimilar to the state of discourse away from this forum either. Discourse is either venom spewed at your opponents or a circle jerk with those you agree with at this point.

I know you dislike the Israeli govt actions, personally I’d be thrilled if somehow Netanyahu could be forced out, be thrilled if somehow a peace deal can happen, but Hals non  stop ranting of ethnic cleaning is a bit of a joke, I’d say offensive only because it’s been ongoing non stop for months. Ethnic cleaning that began with the murder of 1500 Jews and 250 hostages? Was that part of Israel’s plan ?

it’s a bit rich, considering the Jews are the victims of ethic cleansing unlike any other, from Hitler to the Romans. 

Did Hal rant endlessly like this every day about Putin ethnically cleansing Ukraine? Did South America sue Russia? Something about the Jews and israel bring out hatred that other places do not.

Or he doesn’t because he doesn’t believe any Russian supporters read this forum? If that’s the case the mods should shut this and all mid east topics down permanently, as it’s not serving any purpose other than his targeting.

To the specific, bolded question about me, Ruska, the what?, #3 or maybe #5 military might in the world, nuclear armed too, and look and see how Israel has vastly surpassed them in a much less span of time (21 months vs. 3 months). Do the math.

It does make me wonder though, do you understand the concept of economies of scale? Because if you do, you’d admit that Israel is pretty efficient.

If you can admit that Putin on the ritz and Russia, Russia, Russia should be accused of war crimes and ethnic cleansing and held accountable, then surely you can admit that BiBi and Israel should be accused of war crimes and held accountable. Maybe you chose the wrong comparison?

Per the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, as of November 21, 2023 “At least 10,000 civilians, including more than 560 children, have been killed and over 18,500 have been injured since Russia launched its a full-scale armed attack against Ukraine on 24 February 2022 ...”

and hundreds of thousands kidnapped children too....

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/maozinon/status/1746173806048083969?t=CH9EWcgn9Qj4UEitobGqLQ&s=19

mickeyrat

https://apnews.com/article/war-gaza-israel-hamas-100-numbers-death-c4d6d42269c3cd6bf74d4e6fc612114e   As Israel-Hamas war reaches 100-day mark, here's the conflict by numbers

 

As Israel-Hamas war reaches 100-day mark, here's the conflict by numbers

By JULIA FRANKEL

Today

JERUSALEM (AP) — Now 100 days old, the latest Israel-Hamas war is by far the longest, bloodiest, and most destructive conflict between the bitter enemies.

The fighting erupted on Oct. 7 when Hamas carried out a deadly attack in southern Israel. Since then, Israel has relentlessly pounded the Gaza Strip with airstrikes and a ground offensive that have wrought unprecedented destruction, flattening entire neighborhoods. The offensive has displaced the vast majority of Palestinians in Gaza, shuttered operations in more than half of Gaza's hospitals and caused widespread hunger, U.N. monitors say.

The Israeli military says it has now scaled back operations in the hard-hit north. But in the south, where it says Hamas' leaders are hiding, it presses forward at full strength. Meanwhile, Lebanon's Hezbollah militia and Israel have engaged in cross-border skirmishes nearly every day since the war began.

Here’s a look in numbers at the toll of the Israel-Hamas war, sourced from Palestinian Health Ministry and Israeli officials as well as international observers and aid groups.

TOTAL DEATHS

Number of Palestinians killed in Gaza: 23,843

Number of people killed in Israel: more than 1,200

Number of Palestinians killed in the West Bank: 347

CIVILIANS

Civilians killed in Gaza: The civilian toll of the war is unknown, with women and minors making up an estimated two-thirds of those killed

Number of civilians killed in Israel on Oct. 7: 790

U.N. staff killed in Gaza: 148

Health workers killed in Gaza: at least 337

Journalists killed in Gaza: 82

SOLDIERS/MILITANTS

Number of Israeli soldiers killed on Oct. 7: 314

Number of militants killed by Israel: Over 8,000

Number of Israeli soldiers killed in the Gaza ground offensive: 188

Number of Israeli soldiers killed on the northern front: 9

Number of Israeli soldiers killed by friendly fire or “accidents” in Gaza and the north: 29

DESTRUCTION/HUMANITARIAN SITUATION IN GAZA

Percentage of Gaza’s buildings likely damaged/destroyed: 45-56%

Hospitals in Gaza partially functioning: 15/36

Palestinian civilians facing “catastrophic hunger and starvation”: 576,600 (26% of the population)

Percentage of school buildings in Gaza damaged: over 69%

Mosques damaged: 142

Churches damaged: 3

Ambulances damaged: 121

Students out of school: 625,000 (100% of students)

INJURIES

Palestinians injured in Gaza: 60,005

Palestinians injured in West Bank: more than 4,000

Total Israeli injuries: 12,536

Israeli soldiers injured in ground offensive: 1,085

Israeli soldiers injured since Oct. 7: 2,496

DISPLACEMENT

Number of Palestinians displaced in Gaza: 1.9 million (85% of Gaza’s population)

Number of Israelis displaced from northern and southern border communities: 249,263 (2.6% of the population)

HOSTAGES/PRISONERS

Hostages taken by Hamas on Oct. 7: 253

Hostages released: 121

Hostages taken Oct. 7 who remain in the strip: 132

1. 111 men, 19 women, 2 children2. 121 Israelis, 11 foreign nationals

Hostages who were killed or died in Hamas captivity: 33

Palestinian prisoners released during weeklong pause in fighting: 240

MUNITIONS

Number of rockets launched toward Israel: 14,000

mickeyrat

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mickeyrat

wrong then, wrong now....

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