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Hopefully, people realize that Iran had a stable, democratically elected government....way back when....until Britain and our CIA toppled it because Iran wanted too big of a cut on their own oil production.
"We can't trust them"? Hell, they have no reason to trust US!If I had known then what I know now...
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And after the overthrow, facilitated by the US, they lived 25 years under a brutal dictatorship akin to Saddam Hussein. Remember that evil doer? And folks wonder why the Iranian government is what it is and doing what they're doing.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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In my feeble mind, Iran might be able to help us eradicate the true loons i.e. ISIS, etc......but what do I know?If I had known then what I know now...
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Not feeble, quite astute actually.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I hate poisonous snakes.But I really hate the idiots who keep them as "pets" or use them in religious rituals.fucking idiots.0
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Kinda funny when they get bit though.rr165892 said:I hate poisonous snakes.But I really hate the idiots who keep them as "pets" or use them in religious rituals.fucking idiots.
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Isn't Isis Iranian supported?imalive said:In my feeble mind, Iran might be able to help us eradicate the true loons i.e. ISIS, etc......but what do I know?
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Isn't Isis Iranian supported?imalive said:In my feeble mind, Iran might be able to help us eradicate the true loons i.e. ISIS, etc......but what do I know?
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We are playing both sides now with regards to ISIS and Yemen. The US helped bomb Tikrit Iraq where Iran went after ISIS and we are providing arms to Suadi with their fight in Yemen. Iran supports the Huthi (spelling) in Yemen. What a tangled web we weave, but in the US we care about a pizza place hypothetically not catering a gay wedding.96 Randall's Island II
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Amazing isn't it?Dirtie_Frank said:We are playing both sides now with regards to ISIS and Yemen. The US helped bomb Tikrit Iraq where Iran went after ISIS and we are providing arms to Suadi with their fight in Yemen. Iran supports the Huthi (spelling) in Yemen. What a tangled web we weave, but in the US we care about a pizza place hypothetically not catering a gay wedding.
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I just find it really disturbing that ANY nation is still thinking of nuclear weapons as a feather in their cap and bargaining chip. That is FUCKED UP.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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Houthis hate AQAP and ISIS. They are supported by Iran while the Saudis and Egyptians support the previous Yemeni president, who has since fled to Egypt. Houthis are an offshoot of Shi'ia, which Iran is predominately made up of, as is Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are predominately Sunni, also what AQAP and ISIS are made up of, albeit an extreme and by no means mainstream version of Islam. Yemen is also majority Sunni, hence the Saudi and Egyptian support for the previous president.
A tangled web indeed.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Glad some more of the smart folks decided to join this conversation.Halifax2TheMax said:Houthis hate AQAP and ISIS. They are supported by Iran while the Saudis and Egyptians support the previous Yemeni president, who has since fled to Egypt. Houthis are an offshoot of Shi'ia, which Iran is predominately made up of, as is Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are predominately Sunni, also what AQAP and ISIS are made up of, albeit an extreme and by no means mainstream version of Islam. Yemen is also majority Sunni, hence the Saudi and Egyptian support for the previous president.
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Easy, easy. I'm not as smart as I think you am. But convoluting things further is that Iranians are Persian and not Arab. Hence, along with the religious differences, the great deal of mistrust from all sides. A very complicated onion with many layers that Middle East.badbrains said:
Glad some more of the smart folks decided to join this conversation.Halifax2TheMax said:Houthis hate AQAP and ISIS. They are supported by Iran while the Saudis and Egyptians support the previous Yemeni president, who has since fled to Egypt. Houthis are an offshoot of Shi'ia, which Iran is predominately made up of, as is Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are predominately Sunni, also what AQAP and ISIS are made up of, albeit an extreme and by no means mainstream version of Islam. Yemen is also majority Sunni, hence the Saudi and Egyptian support for the previous president.
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I agree Halifax is not that smart.Halifax2TheMax said:
Easy, easy. I'm not as smart as I think you am. But convoluting things further is that Iranians are Persian and not Arab. Hence, along with the religious differences, the great deal of mistrust from all sides. A very complicated onion with many layers that Middle East.badbrains said:
Glad some more of the smart folks decided to join this conversation.Halifax2TheMax said:Houthis hate AQAP and ISIS. They are supported by Iran while the Saudis and Egyptians support the previous Yemeni president, who has since fled to Egypt. Houthis are an offshoot of Shi'ia, which Iran is predominately made up of, as is Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are predominately Sunni, also what AQAP and ISIS are made up of, albeit an extreme and by no means mainstream version of Islam. Yemen is also majority Sunni, hence the Saudi and Egyptian support for the previous president.
A tangled web indeed.
, but neither am I . Sometimes I just wish I could get lost in a bottle of Makers and my glass piece and forget the world has problems.
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If they served more pizza in the middle east, maybe we would care more.Dirtie_Frank said:We are playing both sides now with regards to ISIS and Yemen. The US helped bomb Tikrit Iraq where Iran went after ISIS and we are providing arms to Suadi with their fight in Yemen. Iran supports the Huthi (spelling) in Yemen. What a tangled web we weave, but in the US we care about a pizza place hypothetically not catering a gay wedding.
I wonder if there is a correlation to countries that eat lots of pizza and economic stability?
hmmm ....
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You do know the Greeks invented the pizza. Now how's that for economic stability?Jason P said:
If they served more pizza in the middle east, maybe we would care more.Dirtie_Frank said:We are playing both sides now with regards to ISIS and Yemen. The US helped bomb Tikrit Iraq where Iran went after ISIS and we are providing arms to Suadi with their fight in Yemen. Iran supports the Huthi (spelling) in Yemen. What a tangled web we weave, but in the US we care about a pizza place hypothetically not catering a gay wedding.
I wonder if there is a correlation to countries that eat lots of pizza and economic stability?
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Not according to Wiki:badbrains said:
You do know the Greeks invented the pizza. Now how's that for economic stability?Jason P said:
If they served more pizza in the middle east, maybe we would care more.Dirtie_Frank said:We are playing both sides now with regards to ISIS and Yemen. The US helped bomb Tikrit Iraq where Iran went after ISIS and we are providing arms to Suadi with their fight in Yemen. Iran supports the Huthi (spelling) in Yemen. What a tangled web we weave, but in the US we care about a pizza place hypothetically not catering a gay wedding.
I wonder if there is a correlation to countries that eat lots of pizza and economic stability?
hmmm ....
Pizza is an oven-baked flat bread generally topped with tomato sauce and cheese. It is commonly supplemented with a selection of meats, vegetables and condiments. The term was first recorded in AD 997, in a Latin manuscript from Gaeta in Lazio, Central Italy.[1] The modern pizza was invented in Naples, Italy, and the dish and its variants have since become popular in many areas of the world.
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I guess if we both can say that it's not good for Iran to get nukes....and that it's unrealistic for the US to disarm in order to end nuclear proliferation...then maybe we can agree that a decent compromise would be for the US to stop surrounding Iran with military bases, and crushing any non-allied country that acquires power in the region, while telling everyone they're looking for peaceful resolutions with those same powers?JimmyV said:
Balanced rhetoric and calls for disarmament are both well and good, but neither equates to helping Iran go nuclear. That is a bridge too far for me. These weapons exist, and nothing you or I can do will change that. Disarmament is not going to happen. The U.S. has them, and I understand why Iran wants them. That doesn't mean they or anyone else should have them. That you are not advocating for Iran to have a bomb is good. It means, as you said, that we agree.Drowned Out said:
I agree. But we need to balance our rhetoric with calls for nuclear nations to stop expansionist policy, and with calls for disarmament. As mentioned, it is our expansionist policies that drive the desire for the weapons in the first place. You are saying you don't want any nukes, but I don't see a call for the US to dismantle their entire stockpile. Do you think it would be a realistic request? Probably not, right? So on what basis do we determine who can or cannot have them when we say it's not realistic for us to NOT have them?JimmyV said:I go the other way. I'm afraid of any country on that list having nuclear weapons because I'm scared nuclear weapons exist at all. Adding Iran to the club won't make anything better. You don't have to consider their regime a "death cult" to be concerned about an Iranian nuke.
Again, I'm not advocating for Iran to have a bomb....but we need perspective and consistency in our evaluations.
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