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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255

    We are playing both sides now with regards to ISIS and Yemen. The US helped bomb Tikrit Iraq where Iran went after ISIS and we are providing arms to Suadi with their fight in Yemen. Iran supports the Huthi (spelling) in Yemen. What a tangled web we weave, but in the US we care about a pizza place hypothetically not catering a gay wedding.

    Amazing isn't it?
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    I just find it really disturbing that ANY nation is still thinking of nuclear weapons as a feather in their cap and bargaining chip. That is FUCKED UP.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    Houthis hate AQAP and ISIS. They are supported by Iran while the Saudis and Egyptians support the previous Yemeni president, who has since fled to Egypt. Houthis are an offshoot of Shi'ia, which Iran is predominately made up of, as is Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are predominately Sunni, also what AQAP and ISIS are made up of, albeit an extreme and by no means mainstream version of Islam. Yemen is also majority Sunni, hence the Saudi and Egyptian support for the previous president.

    A tangled web indeed.
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255

    Houthis hate AQAP and ISIS. They are supported by Iran while the Saudis and Egyptians support the previous Yemeni president, who has since fled to Egypt. Houthis are an offshoot of Shi'ia, which Iran is predominately made up of, as is Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are predominately Sunni, also what AQAP and ISIS are made up of, albeit an extreme and by no means mainstream version of Islam. Yemen is also majority Sunni, hence the Saudi and Egyptian support for the previous president.

    A tangled web indeed.

    Glad some more of the smart folks decided to join this conversation.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    badbrains said:

    Houthis hate AQAP and ISIS. They are supported by Iran while the Saudis and Egyptians support the previous Yemeni president, who has since fled to Egypt. Houthis are an offshoot of Shi'ia, which Iran is predominately made up of, as is Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are predominately Sunni, also what AQAP and ISIS are made up of, albeit an extreme and by no means mainstream version of Islam. Yemen is also majority Sunni, hence the Saudi and Egyptian support for the previous president.

    A tangled web indeed.

    Glad some more of the smart folks decided to join this conversation.
    Easy, easy. I'm not as smart as I think you am. But convoluting things further is that Iranians are Persian and not Arab. Hence, along with the religious differences, the great deal of mistrust from all sides. A very complicated onion with many layers that Middle East.
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  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348

    badbrains said:

    Houthis hate AQAP and ISIS. They are supported by Iran while the Saudis and Egyptians support the previous Yemeni president, who has since fled to Egypt. Houthis are an offshoot of Shi'ia, which Iran is predominately made up of, as is Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are predominately Sunni, also what AQAP and ISIS are made up of, albeit an extreme and by no means mainstream version of Islam. Yemen is also majority Sunni, hence the Saudi and Egyptian support for the previous president.

    A tangled web indeed.

    Glad some more of the smart folks decided to join this conversation.
    Easy, easy. I'm not as smart as I think you am. But convoluting things further is that Iranians are Persian and not Arab. Hence, along with the religious differences, the great deal of mistrust from all sides. A very complicated onion with many layers that Middle East.
    I agree Halifax is not that smart. ;) , but neither am I . Sometimes I just wish I could get lost in a bottle of Makers and my glass piece and forget the world has problems.

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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138

    We are playing both sides now with regards to ISIS and Yemen. The US helped bomb Tikrit Iraq where Iran went after ISIS and we are providing arms to Suadi with their fight in Yemen. Iran supports the Huthi (spelling) in Yemen. What a tangled web we weave, but in the US we care about a pizza place hypothetically not catering a gay wedding.

    If they served more pizza in the middle east, maybe we would care more.

    I wonder if there is a correlation to countries that eat lots of pizza and economic stability?

    hmmm ....
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Jason P said:

    We are playing both sides now with regards to ISIS and Yemen. The US helped bomb Tikrit Iraq where Iran went after ISIS and we are providing arms to Suadi with their fight in Yemen. Iran supports the Huthi (spelling) in Yemen. What a tangled web we weave, but in the US we care about a pizza place hypothetically not catering a gay wedding.

    If they served more pizza in the middle east, maybe we would care more.

    I wonder if there is a correlation to countries that eat lots of pizza and economic stability?

    hmmm ....
    You do know the Greeks invented the pizza. Now how's that for economic stability?
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    badbrains said:

    Jason P said:

    We are playing both sides now with regards to ISIS and Yemen. The US helped bomb Tikrit Iraq where Iran went after ISIS and we are providing arms to Suadi with their fight in Yemen. Iran supports the Huthi (spelling) in Yemen. What a tangled web we weave, but in the US we care about a pizza place hypothetically not catering a gay wedding.

    If they served more pizza in the middle east, maybe we would care more.

    I wonder if there is a correlation to countries that eat lots of pizza and economic stability?

    hmmm ....
    You do know the Greeks invented the pizza. Now how's that for economic stability?
    Not according to Wiki:

    Pizza is an oven-baked flat bread generally topped with tomato sauce and cheese. It is commonly supplemented with a selection of meats, vegetables and condiments. The term was first recorded in AD 997, in a Latin manuscript from Gaeta in Lazio, Central Italy.[1] The modern pizza was invented in Naples, Italy, and the dish and its variants have since become popular in many areas of the world.

    The Greeks are a bunch of posers.
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    JimmyV said:

    JimmyV said:

    I go the other way. I'm afraid of any country on that list having nuclear weapons because I'm scared nuclear weapons exist at all. Adding Iran to the club won't make anything better. You don't have to consider their regime a "death cult" to be concerned about an Iranian nuke.

    I agree. But we need to balance our rhetoric with calls for nuclear nations to stop expansionist policy, and with calls for disarmament. As mentioned, it is our expansionist policies that drive the desire for the weapons in the first place. You are saying you don't want any nukes, but I don't see a call for the US to dismantle their entire stockpile. Do you think it would be a realistic request? Probably not, right? So on what basis do we determine who can or cannot have them when we say it's not realistic for us to NOT have them?

    Again, I'm not advocating for Iran to have a bomb....but we need perspective and consistency in our evaluations.
    Balanced rhetoric and calls for disarmament are both well and good, but neither equates to helping Iran go nuclear. That is a bridge too far for me. These weapons exist, and nothing you or I can do will change that. Disarmament is not going to happen. The U.S. has them, and I understand why Iran wants them. That doesn't mean they or anyone else should have them. That you are not advocating for Iran to have a bomb is good. It means, as you said, that we agree.

    I guess if we both can say that it's not good for Iran to get nukes....and that it's unrealistic for the US to disarm in order to end nuclear proliferation...then maybe we can agree that a decent compromise would be for the US to stop surrounding Iran with military bases, and crushing any non-allied country that acquires power in the region, while telling everyone they're looking for peaceful resolutions with those same powers?


  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Jason P said:

    badbrains said:

    Jason P said:

    We are playing both sides now with regards to ISIS and Yemen. The US helped bomb Tikrit Iraq where Iran went after ISIS and we are providing arms to Suadi with their fight in Yemen. Iran supports the Huthi (spelling) in Yemen. What a tangled web we weave, but in the US we care about a pizza place hypothetically not catering a gay wedding.

    If they served more pizza in the middle east, maybe we would care more.

    I wonder if there is a correlation to countries that eat lots of pizza and economic stability?

    hmmm ....
    You do know the Greeks invented the pizza. Now how's that for economic stability?
    Not according to Wiki:

    Pizza is an oven-baked flat bread generally topped with tomato sauce and cheese. It is commonly supplemented with a selection of meats, vegetables and condiments. The term was first recorded in AD 997, in a Latin manuscript from Gaeta in Lazio, Central Italy.[1] The modern pizza was invented in Naples, Italy, and the dish and its variants have since become popular in many areas of the world.

    The Greeks are a bunch of posers.
    Shit, I just googled it. I've gotten Egypt and Greece or ancient babylon. Interesting.
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697

    rr165892 said:

    I hate poisonous snakes.But I really hate the idiots who keep them as "pets" or use them in religious rituals.fucking idiots.

    Kinda funny when they get bit though.

    People. You can only warn them so much.
    Excellant point TB.Stupid people doing stupid things does make for good entertainment.
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697

    Isn't Florida being eaten by snakes?

    No Halifax,all media nonsense.Sure we have Pythons that can eat gators whole,and water moccasins as thick as navy ships rope and lots of coral snakes and rattlers.But I'd be more concerned with Texas and southwest for those big fuckin Rattke snakes.
    We do now have a python hunt every year out in the Everglades.The real damage is what they are doing to our ecosystems balance.
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697

    Houthis hate AQAP and ISIS. They are supported by Iran while the Saudis and Egyptians support the previous Yemeni president, who has since fled to Egypt. Houthis are an offshoot of Shi'ia, which Iran is predominately made up of, as is Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are predominately Sunni, also what AQAP and ISIS are made up of, albeit an extreme and by no means mainstream version of Islam. Yemen is also majority Sunni, hence the Saudi and Egyptian support for the previous president.

    A tangled web indeed.

    Well some things are still easy to see. all the above hate the west and the Jews.So they do have that in common.Maybe they can build toward peace with those concepts as a starting point.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
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    rr165892 said:

    rr165892 said:

    I hate poisonous snakes.But I really hate the idiots who keep them as "pets" or use them in religious rituals.fucking idiots.

    Kinda funny when they get bit though.

    People. You can only warn them so much.
    Excellant point TB.Stupid people doing stupid things does make for good entertainment.
    I get actual pleasure from news of those snake people getting bitten. I love seeing people suffer from their own arrogance (don't mistake arrogance for stupidity! ... of course, some people have both).
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Pj,you madam have a quit the deviant mind.Its a great quality to have.I think it means you get it!
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    badbrains said:

    We are playing both sides now with regards to ISIS and Yemen. The US helped bomb Tikrit Iraq where Iran went after ISIS and we are providing arms to Suadi with their fight in Yemen. Iran supports the Huthi (spelling) in Yemen. What a tangled web we weave, but in the US we care about a pizza place hypothetically not catering a gay wedding.

    Amazing isn't it?
    I care more about gay rights in this country more than I care about anything that happens in Iran, or isreal, or yemen. What happens over there does not effect me.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    badbrains said:

    imalive said:

    In my feeble mind, Iran might be able to help us eradicate the true loons i.e. ISIS, etc......but what do I know?

    Isn't Isis Iranian supported?
    No
    I would have lost money on that.
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    rr165892 said:

    Houthis hate AQAP and ISIS. They are supported by Iran while the Saudis and Egyptians support the previous Yemeni president, who has since fled to Egypt. Houthis are an offshoot of Shi'ia, which Iran is predominately made up of, as is Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are predominately Sunni, also what AQAP and ISIS are made up of, albeit an extreme and by no means mainstream version of Islam. Yemen is also majority Sunni, hence the Saudi and Egyptian support for the previous president.

    A tangled web indeed.

    Well some things are still easy to see. all the above hate the west and the Jews.So they do have that in common.Maybe they can build toward peace with those concepts as a starting point.
    Ah, let's get this straight, they, the Arabs/Muslims don't hate "Jews". They may hate Israel for their treatment of the both Christian/Muslims Palestinians, but they don't hate Jews. I'm a Muslim and I actually, ready for this, have Jewish friends. Amazing how that in the real world, we can get along.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    badbrains said:

    rr165892 said:

    Houthis hate AQAP and ISIS. They are supported by Iran while the Saudis and Egyptians support the previous Yemeni president, who has since fled to Egypt. Houthis are an offshoot of Shi'ia, which Iran is predominately made up of, as is Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are predominately Sunni, also what AQAP and ISIS are made up of, albeit an extreme and by no means mainstream version of Islam. Yemen is also majority Sunni, hence the Saudi and Egyptian support for the previous president.

    A tangled web indeed.

    Well some things are still easy to see. all the above hate the west and the Jews.So they do have that in common.Maybe they can build toward peace with those concepts as a starting point.
    Ah, let's get this straight, they, the Arabs/Muslims don't hate "Jews". They may hate Israel for their treatment of the both Christian/Muslims Palestinians, but they don't hate Jews. I'm a Muslim and I actually, ready for this, have Jewish friends. Amazing how that in the real world, we can get along.
    Some Muslims hate Jews. Some Jews hate Muslims. Some Muslims and Jews hate Christians and gays. Some Christians hate Jews and Muslims and gays.... and don't even get me started on the Hindus, Sikhs, and especially those Buddhist bastards. =)
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    PJ_Soul said:

    badbrains said:

    rr165892 said:

    Houthis hate AQAP and ISIS. They are supported by Iran while the Saudis and Egyptians support the previous Yemeni president, who has since fled to Egypt. Houthis are an offshoot of Shi'ia, which Iran is predominately made up of, as is Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are predominately Sunni, also what AQAP and ISIS are made up of, albeit an extreme and by no means mainstream version of Islam. Yemen is also majority Sunni, hence the Saudi and Egyptian support for the previous president.

    A tangled web indeed.

    Well some things are still easy to see. all the above hate the west and the Jews.So they do have that in common.Maybe they can build toward peace with those concepts as a starting point.
    Ah, let's get this straight, they, the Arabs/Muslims don't hate "Jews". They may hate Israel for their treatment of the both Christian/Muslims Palestinians, but they don't hate Jews. I'm a Muslim and I actually, ready for this, have Jewish friends. Amazing how that in the real world, we can get along.
    Some Muslims hate Jews. Some Jews hate Muslims. Some Muslims and Jews hate Christians and gays. Some Christians hate Jews and Muslims and gays.... and don't even get me started on the Hindus, Sikhs, and especially those Buddhist bastards. =)
    Well that's obvious. I was making a statement cuz it sounded like he was saying all Muslims hate America and the Jews. Which is, no offense rr, pretty weak when someone posted all those "facts". And let's just say that they did, can you blame them? Just like I'm sure there are a lot of people who hate Muslims for what happened on that September day. What I'm getting at is that there's plenty of fucken hate everywhere. Both sides.
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    badbrains said:

    rr165892 said:

    Houthis hate AQAP and ISIS. They are supported by Iran while the Saudis and Egyptians support the previous Yemeni president, who has since fled to Egypt. Houthis are an offshoot of Shi'ia, which Iran is predominately made up of, as is Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are predominately Sunni, also what AQAP and ISIS are made up of, albeit an extreme and by no means mainstream version of Islam. Yemen is also majority Sunni, hence the Saudi and Egyptian support for the previous president.

    A tangled web indeed.

    Well some things are still easy to see. all the above hate the west and the Jews.So they do have that in common.Maybe they can build toward peace with those concepts as a starting point.
    Ah, let's get this straight, they, the Arabs/Muslims don't hate "Jews". They may hate Israel for their treatment of the both Christian/Muslims Palestinians, but they don't hate Jews. I'm a Muslim and I actually, ready for this, have Jewish friends. Amazing how that in the real world, we can get along.
    Nart,some nights it's way to easy with you pal.

    It was Sarcasm.
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    PJ_Soul said:

    badbrains said:

    rr165892 said:

    Houthis hate AQAP and ISIS. They are supported by Iran while the Saudis and Egyptians support the previous Yemeni president, who has since fled to Egypt. Houthis are an offshoot of Shi'ia, which Iran is predominately made up of, as is Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are predominately Sunni, also what AQAP and ISIS are made up of, albeit an extreme and by no means mainstream version of Islam. Yemen is also majority Sunni, hence the Saudi and Egyptian support for the previous president.

    A tangled web indeed.

    Well some things are still easy to see. all the above hate the west and the Jews.So they do have that in common.Maybe they can build toward peace with those concepts as a starting point.
    Ah, let's get this straight, they, the Arabs/Muslims don't hate "Jews". They may hate Israel for their treatment of the both Christian/Muslims Palestinians, but they don't hate Jews. I'm a Muslim and I actually, ready for this, have Jewish friends. Amazing how that in the real world, we can get along.
    Some Muslims hate Jews. Some Jews hate Muslims. Some Muslims and Jews hate Christians and gays. Some Christians hate Jews and Muslims and gays.... and don't even get me started on the Hindus, Sikhs, and especially those Buddhist bastards. =)
    But what do you think gay Muslims think of lesbian Jews?
    And what about a 1/2 Buddhist 1/2 Christian transvestite republican black woman do you think he/she hates a Mormon police officer wearing a Rush Limbaugh tshirt?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025

    badbrains said:

    Houthis hate AQAP and ISIS. They are supported by Iran while the Saudis and Egyptians support the previous Yemeni president, who has since fled to Egypt. Houthis are an offshoot of Shi'ia, which Iran is predominately made up of, as is Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are predominately Sunni, also what AQAP and ISIS are made up of, albeit an extreme and by no means mainstream version of Islam. Yemen is also majority Sunni, hence the Saudi and Egyptian support for the previous president.

    A tangled web indeed.

    Glad some more of the smart folks decided to join this conversation.
    Easy, easy. I'm not as smart as I think you am. But convoluting things further is that Iranians are Persian and not Arab. Hence, along with the religious differences, the great deal of mistrust from all sides. A very complicated onion with many layers that Middle East.
    I agree Halifax is not that smart. ;) , but neither am I . Sometimes I just wish I could get lost in a bottle of Makers and my glass piece and forget the world has problems.

    I'm with ya. Every now and then I just completely tune out to what is going on in the world. Shouldn't worry about what you can't control and all the shit going on has little relevance to my everyday existence. Treat others the way you'd like to be treated. Live and let live. Bottoms up!
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    We are playing both sides now with regards to ISIS and Yemen. The US helped bomb Tikrit Iraq where Iran went after ISIS and we are providing arms to Suadi with their fight in Yemen. Iran supports the Huthi (spelling) in Yemen. What a tangled web we weave, but in the US we care about a pizza place hypothetically not catering a gay wedding.

    Yeah let's just say fuck it to discrimination cause there are other issues.
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  • i_lov_iti_lov_it Posts: 4,007
    callen said:

    We are playing both sides now with regards to ISIS and Yemen. The US helped bomb Tikrit Iraq where Iran went after ISIS and we are providing arms to Suadi with their fight in Yemen. Iran supports the Huthi (spelling) in Yemen. What a tangled web we weave, but in the US we care about a pizza place hypothetically not catering a gay wedding.

    Yeah let's just say fuck it to discrimination cause there are other issues.
    It's not really discrimination...rather wherever the money is.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    i_lov_it said:

    callen said:

    We are playing both sides now with regards to ISIS and Yemen. The US helped bomb Tikrit Iraq where Iran went after ISIS and we are providing arms to Suadi with their fight in Yemen. Iran supports the Huthi (spelling) in Yemen. What a tangled web we weave, but in the US we care about a pizza place hypothetically not catering a gay wedding.

    Yeah let's just say fuck it to discrimination cause there are other issues.
    It's not really discrimination...rather wherever the money is.
    Not following. Referring to businesses rights to refuse service cause customer is icky( gay ).
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  • i_lov_iti_lov_it Posts: 4,007
    callen said:

    i_lov_it said:

    callen said:

    We are playing both sides now with regards to ISIS and Yemen. The US helped bomb Tikrit Iraq where Iran went after ISIS and we are providing arms to Suadi with their fight in Yemen. Iran supports the Huthi (spelling) in Yemen. What a tangled web we weave, but in the US we care about a pizza place hypothetically not catering a gay wedding.

    Yeah let's just say fuck it to discrimination cause there are other issues.
    It's not really discrimination...rather wherever the money is.
    Not following. Referring to businesses rights to refuse service cause customer is icky( gay ).
    Sorry dude misunderstood your previous post...but your not serious though with regards to businesses refusing service to Gays?
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,174

    badbrains said:

    Houthis hate AQAP and ISIS. They are supported by Iran while the Saudis and Egyptians support the previous Yemeni president, who has since fled to Egypt. Houthis are an offshoot of Shi'ia, which Iran is predominately made up of, as is Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are predominately Sunni, also what AQAP and ISIS are made up of, albeit an extreme and by no means mainstream version of Islam. Yemen is also majority Sunni, hence the Saudi and Egyptian support for the previous president.

    A tangled web indeed.

    Glad some more of the smart folks decided to join this conversation.
    Easy, easy. I'm not as smart as I think you am. But convoluting things further is that Iranians are Persian and not Arab. Hence, along with the religious differences, the great deal of mistrust from all sides. A very complicated onion with many layers that Middle East.
    I agree Halifax is not that smart. ;) , but neither am I . Sometimes I just wish I could get lost in a bottle of Makers and my glass piece and forget the world has problems.

    As Ed said, lock all those fuckers in a room and don't let 'em out until they make nice.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • SD48277SD48277 Posts: 12,243
    imalive said:

    badbrains said:

    Houthis hate AQAP and ISIS. They are supported by Iran while the Saudis and Egyptians support the previous Yemeni president, who has since fled to Egypt. Houthis are an offshoot of Shi'ia, which Iran is predominately made up of, as is Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are predominately Sunni, also what AQAP and ISIS are made up of, albeit an extreme and by no means mainstream version of Islam. Yemen is also majority Sunni, hence the Saudi and Egyptian support for the previous president.

    A tangled web indeed.

    Glad some more of the smart folks decided to join this conversation.
    Easy, easy. I'm not as smart as I think you am. But convoluting things further is that Iranians are Persian and not Arab. Hence, along with the religious differences, the great deal of mistrust from all sides. A very complicated onion with many layers that Middle East.
    I agree Halifax is not that smart. ;) , but neither am I . Sometimes I just wish I could get lost in a bottle of Makers and my glass piece and forget the world has problems.

    As Ed said, lock all those fuckers in a room and don't let 'em out until they make nice.
    Either they'll make nice, or it will end up being Thunderdome....
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