Home› A Moving Train

.

PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
edited April 2015 in A Moving Train
.
Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
«13

Comments

  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    edited April 2015
    You hitting the bottle again tonight, fella?

    I've come to dig you over time from various posts, but this post is...well, it's just not.

    Pretty insulting considering the many benefits whether some choose to recognize them.

    Fuck walking a mile - start with a step.

    Anyway, here ya go, from one who "does drugs".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pceBcOGL7nI




    Post edited by hedonist on
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,985
    hedonist said:

    You hitting the bottle again tonight, fella?

    I've come to dig you over time from various posts, but this post is...well, it's just not.

    Pretty insulting considering the many benefits whether some choose to recognize them.

    Fuck walking a mile - start with a step.

    Anyway, here ya go, from one who "does drugs".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pceBcOGL7nI




    That is why i always quote someone. So they are forced to own their shit.

    new album "Cigarettes" out Spring 2025!

    www.headstonesband.com




  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I hear ya, Hugh - and a double-edit at that!

    But it's OK - hopefully was borne of re-thinking vs backing out.
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    What was said?
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Will pm, but on the public front, I'd rather leave the choice of clarifying to the OP.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    hedonist said:

    Will pm, but on the public front, I'd rather leave the choice of clarifying to the OP.

    In a nutshell I said (illegal)Drugs are for losers.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    hedonist said:

    Will pm, but on the public front, I'd rather leave the choice of clarifying to the OP.

    In a nutshell I said (illegal)Drugs are for losers.
    I would say there are losers that do drugs- that isn't a stretch because we see derelicts everywhere that, for whatever reason, began to enjoy bath salts as their drug of choice.

    Drugs should be legalized. I'm not sure where the line should be drawn, but it makes absolutely no sense to classify marijuana as illegal. It's not as bad as alcohol, it's basically legal given its availability and consumption levels, and... there is a booming and lucrative industry that awaits acceptance.

    Not to mention legalization puts a serious thorn in the side of the criminal element that currently enjoys the prosperity generated from the production and distribution of it.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    hedonist said:

    Will pm, but on the public front, I'd rather leave the choice of clarifying to the OP.

    In a nutshell I said (illegal)Drugs are for losers.
    I would say there are losers that do drugs- that isn't a stretch because we see derelicts everywhere that, for whatever reason, began to enjoy bath salts as their drug of choice.

    Drugs should be legalized. I'm not sure where the line should be drawn, but it makes absolutely no sense to classify marijuana as illegal. It's not as bad as alcohol, it's basically legal given its availability and consumption levels, and... there is a booming and lucrative industry that awaits acceptance.

    Not to mention legalization puts a serious thorn in the side of the criminal element that currently enjoys the prosperity generated from the production and distribution of it.
    Damn it. A topic like this needs so much clarification. I should've said illegal HARD drugs. Not marijuana.

  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    I know lots of very successful people who do hard drugs on occasion. I also know lots of people who don't do any drugs who I would consider losers.

    That being said, there is something to say about all the bad shit that may have happened along the line for those successful people to eventually get those drugs. The drug trade is no joke. The same goes for marijuana. Something for drug users to ponder.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    dignin said:

    I know lots of very successful people who do hard drugs on occasion. I also know lots of people who don't do any drugs who I would consider losers.

    That being said, there is something to say about all the bad shit that may have happened along the line for those successful people to eventually get those drugs. The drug trade is no joke. The same goes for marijuana. Something for drug users to ponder.

    There are many who just grow - no trade, no violence, just growing (and selling). And it makes its way down to me and those like me.

    And, many others.

    (upstanding!)

  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    dignin said:

    I know lots of very successful people who do hard drugs on occasion. I also know lots of people who don't do any drugs who I would consider losers.

    That being said, there is something to say about all the bad shit that may have happened along the line for those successful people to eventually get those drugs. The drug trade is no joke. The same goes for marijuana. Something for drug users to ponder.

    I'm not sure about the 'gateway' argument. Countless people happily smoke their pot without becoming boredf and looking for something different.

    I think it ultimately comes down to the individual and their circumstances that led to their choices when we see dependency on 'hard' drugs. Without marijuana, these 'junkies' might just as easily have found their affliction- not to even say they all started smoking pot and wandered from there.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,040
    edited April 2015
    Fail
    Post edited by brianlux on
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    I'm pretty sure that legal alcohol creates a lot more "losers" than illegal drugs do. Alcoholism is easily the number one drug problem in America. Do you drink alcohol OP? Is it just the illegality of these hard drugs that bothers you most?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    damn, i missed the possible PUI!!

    this is what i get for being absent :(
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,150
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    dignin said:

    I know lots of very successful people who do hard drugs on occasion. I also know lots of people who don't do any drugs who I would consider losers.

    That being said, there is something to say about all the bad shit that may have happened along the line for those successful people to eventually get those drugs. The drug trade is no joke. The same goes for marijuana. Something for drug users to ponder.

    I'm not sure about the 'gateway' argument. Countless people happily smoke their pot without becoming boredf and looking for something different.

    I think it ultimately comes down to the individual and their circumstances that led to their choices when we see dependency on 'hard' drugs. Without marijuana, these 'junkies' might just as easily have found their affliction- not to even say they all started smoking pot and wandered from there.
    Thirty Bills Unpaid,

    I don't think that's what dignin was implying: seemed to me it was about the corruption in the drug creation/supply chain worlds.

    The 'gateway' argument seems to have more to do with human psychology, and it's hardly different with alcohol or sexual activity.. First you want to kiss a girl, then once you've done enough of that, you want to have sex. Fast forward a few years and you're living with your mom on house arrest because you played 'non-consensual sex' once or twice. Just ask Jian Ghomeshi. Many of us seek more and more intense thrills as we become numb to more accessible pleasures.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    alcohol is the biggest gateway drug, and it is legal.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    alcohol is the biggest gateway drug, and it is legal.

    That's why I asked if the OP really just has an issue with these drugs being illegal, rather than the actual impact of the drugs... looking forward to an answer!
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,040
    edited April 2015
    Fail
    Post edited by brianlux on
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    plus if you mix alcohol with other prescription meds, it is a recipe for disaster.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    plus if you mix alcohol with other prescription meds, it is a recipe for disaster.

    Even if you don't mix the two, aren't overdoses of legal prescription drugs MUCH more common than overdoses of illegal ones?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    i believe so. i know people take a handful of xanax to off themselves. people take a bottle of tylenol for the same reason, and that one is over the counter.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    benjs said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    dignin said:

    I know lots of very successful people who do hard drugs on occasion. I also know lots of people who don't do any drugs who I would consider losers.

    That being said, there is something to say about all the bad shit that may have happened along the line for those successful people to eventually get those drugs. The drug trade is no joke. The same goes for marijuana. Something for drug users to ponder.

    I'm not sure about the 'gateway' argument. Countless people happily smoke their pot without becoming boredf and looking for something different.

    I think it ultimately comes down to the individual and their circumstances that led to their choices when we see dependency on 'hard' drugs. Without marijuana, these 'junkies' might just as easily have found their affliction- not to even say they all started smoking pot and wandered from there.
    Thirty Bills Unpaid,

    I don't think that's what dignin was implying: seemed to me it was about the corruption in the drug creation/supply chain worlds.

    The 'gateway' argument seems to have more to do with human psychology, and it's hardly different with alcohol or sexual activity.. First you want to kiss a girl, then once you've done enough of that, you want to have sex. Fast forward a few years and you're living with your mom on house arrest because you played 'non-consensual sex' once or twice. Just ask Jian Ghomeshi. Many of us seek more and more intense thrills as we become numb to more accessible pleasures.
    With a possible misinterpretation of Dignin's comment aside... I'm pretty sure we are saying the same thing.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • whispering handswhispering hands Posts: 13,527
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    damn, i missed the possible PUI!!

    this is what i get for being absent :(

    Me too.. Day late, post short.. Always..
  • whispering handswhispering hands Posts: 13,527
    I have so
    Much to say.. So little tact with which to say it. So I'm going to say, unless you have ever stared at yourself in a mirror in complete and utter disgust with yourself over where you have ended up in life, you will never get what is happening in the lives of those hooked on hard drugs. And if you can't understand with compassion and earnest knowledge of where they are coming from, then you judging them
    Makes you an inconsiderate and heartless jerk. Period. MY opinion. And I'm done.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    PJ_Soul said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    alcohol is the biggest gateway drug, and it is legal.

    That's why I asked if the OP really just has an issue with these drugs being illegal, rather than the actual impact of the drugs... looking forward to an answer!
    Wow, The power of the .
    Soon we will have as many posts here as the Eddie hot pics.

    Not sure where this thread is going...

    No I don't have an issue with drugs being illegal. The impact of said illegal drugs is evident.
    Hash, coc, heroin, meth etc

    I just think that people who actively engage in above activities as "something to do" after work or whenever (wake 'n bakes, smoking a bong)

    Recreational use of these drugs is for losers.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    whispering hands said:

    I have so
    Much to say.. So little tact with which to say it. So I'm going to say, unless you have ever stared at yourself in a mirror in complete and utter disgust with yourself over where you have ended up in life, you will never get what is happening in the lives of those hooked on hard drugs. And if you can't understand with compassion and earnest knowledge of where they are coming from, then you judging them
    Makes you an inconsiderate and heartless jerk. Period. MY opinion. And I'm done.

    Yes. Judging people from their addictions is inconsiderate and heartless jerk traits.
    I am not talking about addicts. I am talking about people that use them recreationally.
    Sorry, if you need to snort a line of coc on a Friday night for something to do, you better look at yourself or your friends and ask if you are an addict or recreation user.

    So, again I am not starting a thread on people and their addictions. I am saying that people who snort coc , inject heroin on a Friday night for something to do are losers.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    whispering hands said:

    I have so
    Much to say.. So little tact with which to say it. So I'm going to say, unless you have ever stared at yourself in a mirror in complete and utter disgust with yourself over where you have ended up in life, you will never get what is happening in the lives of those hooked on hard drugs. And if you can't understand with compassion and earnest knowledge of where they are coming from, then you judging them
    Makes you an inconsiderate and heartless jerk. Period. MY opinion. And I'm done.

    I love the venom that can so easily be spewn at people on this board who so many know so little about... but just as easily spared for, in this particular situation, junkies that presumably have had it much tougher.

    I would wager that most people on this forum intimately understands the effects of alcohol and drug abuse- either through direct experience or that of a loved one.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • whispering handswhispering hands Posts: 13,527
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    whispering hands said:

    I have so
    Much to say.. So little tact with which to say it. So I'm going to say, unless you have ever stared at yourself in a mirror in complete and utter disgust with yourself over where you have ended up in life, you will never get what is happening in the lives of those hooked on hard drugs. And if you can't understand with compassion and earnest knowledge of where they are coming from, then you judging them
    Makes you an inconsiderate and heartless jerk. Period. MY opinion. And I'm done.

    I love the venom that can so easily be spewn at people on this board who so many know so little about... but just as easily spared for, in this particular situation, junkies that presumably have had it much tougher.

    I would wager that most people on this forum intimately understands the effects of alcohol and drug abuse- either through direct experience or that of a loved one.
    And yet still so quick to judge.. That's what angers me most.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    whispering hands said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    whispering hands said:

    I have so
    Much to say.. So little tact with which to say it. So I'm going to say, unless you have ever stared at yourself in a mirror in complete and utter disgust with yourself over where you have ended up in life, you will never get what is happening in the lives of those hooked on hard drugs. And if you can't understand with compassion and earnest knowledge of where they are coming from, then you judging them
    Makes you an inconsiderate and heartless jerk. Period. MY opinion. And I'm done.

    I love the venom that can so easily be spewn at people on this board who so many know so little about... but just as easily spared for, in this particular situation, junkies that presumably have had it much tougher.

    I would wager that most people on this forum intimately understands the effects of alcohol and drug abuse- either through direct experience or that of a loved one.
    And yet still so quick to judge.. That's what angers me most.
    I don't know why this angers you so. This is not a thread about you.
    I see kids in local hangouts, playgrounds etc smoking weed for something to do. Some as young as 11. When we walk by them I say to my own kids don't ever associate with those losers.
    The same can apply for an adult. When I see a "professional" after work snorting coc I deem him a loser.

    It's not judging - an 11yr old smoking weed on a playground is a loser much the same as a suit and tie sitting in his office doing a line.

  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,040
    edited April 2015
    Fail
    Post edited by brianlux on
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













This discussion has been closed.