I can sympathize with the guy, but you gotta draw the line somewhere... When you are hobbling around in pain, your knee replacement is still an elective procedure and the state prob doesn't pay for, nor should they. This guy should have to live with whatever pain he is in, especially if he murdered someone. Unless, of course, he can raise the money and pay for it.
But that's my point... maybe it isn't an elective surgery. Maybe it's medically necessary. I din't know if it is or isn't, but I acknowledge that it's possible that it is. And this has nothing to do with feeling zympathy for the guy. It's simply about the legal requirement for the state to provide necessary medical care to prisoners.
I can't think of one legitimate 'necessary' reason. The guy might be undergoing emotional and psychological distress, but isn't every other prisoner for some reason or another?
Sheer nonsense. It's Canada rubbing off on the US is what this is. This sounds like something we would love to do for a second degree murderer.
It sounds to me like you maybe haven't considered or just don't understand the condition well enough, or don't understand the requirements for what is medically necessary enough, and are then adding a heavy dose of emotion related to prisoner rights (which i don't blame you for, especially living in Canada). Not to sound condescending, but I just really think you need more info before you have a well informed opinion on this one.
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I just don't think we know enough about the patient to say from this article. We have no idea what his symptoms were. Yes, maybe it wasn't too bad and this would rightly be called an elective surgery. Then again, maybe not. Maybe the prisoner's condition was dire. Maybe he was going absolutely bugshit crazy and was an immediate physical threat to himself and others because of his condition. Or was living in such abject misery to the point where it would be considered cruel and unusual to make him continue on like that. Or yeah, maybe his lawyer fudged it and manipulated the system. No idea. Without that kind of info i don't feel like anyone can say one way or the other if this was a good or a bad decision.
I do see what you're putting down here but based on the info you do have, could you form an opinion? You will never get the info you're looking for - just not public knowledge.
Well i do have an opinion. My opinion is that if the surgery is correctly deemed medically necessary, which is entirely possible, then the state should pay for it. If not, then the state shouldn't pay for it. I don't generally think of judges as being fucking morons, so my instinct is to assume that the judge really had good reason to deem this procedure medically necessary in order to uphold the state's legal responsibility to ensure that prisoners do not suffer unduly while in its care.
But i admit that there is a possibility that the judge could have been too lenient when considering whether or not this was medically necessary in this particular person's case (while still acknowledging that his condition COULD make it so). Again, it all depends on the medical details. I'm not about to say yes or no about this case in particular without those details. I can only say what my opinion is regarding the laws that are in play for this case.
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The case in Massachusetts where a judge ordered the same ruling was overturned in appellate courts and will likely be addressed by the supreme court. I doubt the surgery will take place until that ruling has been established.
I can sympathize with the guy, but you gotta draw the line somewhere... When you are hobbling around in pain, your knee replacement is still an elective procedure and the state prob doesn't pay for, nor should they. This guy should have to live with whatever pain he is in, especially if he murdered someone. Unless, of course, he can raise the money and pay for it.
But that's my point... maybe it isn't an elective surgery. Maybe it's medically necessary. I din't know if it is or isn't, but I acknowledge that it's possible that it is. And this has nothing to do with feeling zympathy for the guy. It's simply about the legal requirement for the state to provide necessary medical care to prisoners.
I can't think of one legitimate 'necessary' reason. The guy might be undergoing emotional and psychological distress, but isn't every other prisoner for some reason or another?
Sheer nonsense. It's Canada rubbing off on the US is what this is. This sounds like something we would love to do for a second degree murderer.
It sounds to me like you maybe haven't considered or just don't understand the condition well enough, or don't understand the requirements for what is medically necessary enough, and are then adding a heavy dose of emotion related to prisoner rights (which i don't blame you for, especially living in Canada). Not to sound condescending, but I just really think you need more info before you have a well informed opinion on this one.
Tell me what I might be missing here. Exactly what is it about gender confusion that demands the state pay for gender reallocation surgery for a person in prison for second degree murder?
I can sympathize with the guy, but you gotta draw the line somewhere... When you are hobbling around in pain, your knee replacement is still an elective procedure and the state prob doesn't pay for, nor should they. This guy should have to live with whatever pain he is in, especially if he murdered someone. Unless, of course, he can raise the money and pay for it.
But that's my point... maybe it isn't an elective surgery. Maybe it's medically necessary. I din't know if it is or isn't, but I acknowledge that it's possible that it is. And this has nothing to do with feeling zympathy for the guy. It's simply about the legal requirement for the state to provide necessary medical care to prisoners.
I can't think of one legitimate 'necessary' reason. The guy might be undergoing emotional and psychological distress, but isn't every other prisoner for some reason or another?
Sheer nonsense. It's Canada rubbing off on the US is what this is. This sounds like something we would love to do for a second degree murderer.
It sounds to me like you maybe haven't considered or just don't understand the condition well enough, or don't understand the requirements for what is medically necessary enough, and are then adding a heavy dose of emotion related to prisoner rights (which i don't blame you for, especially living in Canada). Not to sound condescending, but I just really think you need more info before you have a well informed opinion on this one.
Tell me what I might be missing here. Exactly what is it about gender confusion that demands the state pay for gender reallocation surgery for a person in prison for second degree murder?
The potential medical seriousness of his condition.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I can sympathize with the guy, but you gotta draw the line somewhere... When you are hobbling around in pain, your knee replacement is still an elective procedure and the state prob doesn't pay for, nor should they. This guy should have to live with whatever pain he is in, especially if he murdered someone. Unless, of course, he can raise the money and pay for it.
But that's my point... maybe it isn't an elective surgery. Maybe it's medically necessary. I din't know if it is or isn't, but I acknowledge that it's possible that it is. And this has nothing to do with feeling zympathy for the guy. It's simply about the legal requirement for the state to provide necessary medical care to prisoners.
I can't think of one legitimate 'necessary' reason. The guy might be undergoing emotional and psychological distress, but isn't every other prisoner for some reason or another?
Sheer nonsense. It's Canada rubbing off on the US is what this is. This sounds like something we would love to do for a second degree murderer.
It sounds to me like you maybe haven't considered or just don't understand the condition well enough, or don't understand the requirements for what is medically necessary enough, and are then adding a heavy dose of emotion related to prisoner rights (which i don't blame you for, especially living in Canada). Not to sound condescending, but I just really think you need more info before you have a well informed opinion on this one.
Tell me what I might be missing here. Exactly what is it about gender confusion that demands the state pay for gender reallocation surgery for a person in prison for second degree murder?
The potential medical seriousness of his condition.
I could be wrong but I can't see how this would be medically necessary. As others have said, if we can't afford to take care of regular law-abiding, tax paying Joe's, tax payers shouldn't have to pay for this.
So if he does get this blatant waste of tax payer money,does he get to transfer to a woman's prison? That's going to be his next play right?
You mean "her next play" More than likely. His playtime should've been over the second the word "guilty" was cast upon him. i wonder if she is hot though?
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Some just love bating their fellow forum members. This is getting old thirty.
Read the post beforehand, Brian. Callen and I have our own little gig going (my response to him was more in fun than anything). If you had any neutrality whatsoever, you would have addressed this to him and his post because... mmhmm (in as best BB Thornton Slingblade impression as I might be able to muster) he threw first.
I'll tell you what's really getting old though is your incessant need to weigh in on everyone's tact. For future, when making the loud and proud proclamation that 'you're out' because a thread doesn't meet your tastes... then stay out. Don't be a blowhard.
Duly noted.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Some just love bating their fellow forum members. This is getting old thirty.
Read the post beforehand, Brian. Callen and I have our own little gig going (my response to him was more in fun than anything). If you had any neutrality whatsoever, you would have addressed this to him and his post because... mmhmm (in as best BB Thornton Slingblade impression as I might be able to muster) he threw first.
I'll tell you what's really getting old though is your incessant need to weigh in on everyone's tact. For future, when making the loud and proud proclamation that 'you're out' because a thread doesn't meet your tastes... then stay out. Don't be a blowhard.
Duly noted.
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Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,757
Some just love bating their fellow forum members. This is getting old thirty.
Read the post beforehand, Brian. Callen and I have our own little gig going (my response to him was more in fun than anything). If you had any neutrality whatsoever, you would have addressed this to him and his post because... mmhmm (in as best BB Thornton Slingblade impression as I might be able to muster) he threw first.
I'll tell you what's really getting old though is your incessant need to weigh in on everyone's tact. For future, when making the loud and proud proclamation that 'you're out' because a thread doesn't meet your tastes... then stay out. Don't be a blowhard.
Duly noted.
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“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Some just love bating their fellow forum members. This is getting old thirty.
Read the post beforehand, Brian. Callen and I have our own little gig going (my response to him was more in fun than anything). If you had any neutrality whatsoever, you would have addressed this to him and his post because... mmhmm (in as best BB Thornton Slingblade impression as I might be able to muster) he threw first.
I'll tell you what's really getting old though is your incessant need to weigh in on everyone's tact. For future, when making the loud and proud proclamation that 'you're out' because a thread doesn't meet your tastes... then stay out. Don't be a blowhard.
Duly noted.
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You would know.
I do know that posting and replacing with fail at later interludes supersedes the OP comments.
Some just love bating their fellow forum members. This is getting old thirty.
Read the post beforehand, Brian. Callen and I have our own little gig going (my response to him was more in fun than anything). If you had any neutrality whatsoever, you would have addressed this to him and his post because... mmhmm (in as best BB Thornton Slingblade impression as I might be able to muster) he threw first.
I'll tell you what's really getting old though is your incessant need to weigh in on everyone's tact. For future, when making the loud and proud proclamation that 'you're out' because a thread doesn't meet your tastes... then stay out. Don't be a blowhard.
Duly noted.
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You would know.
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Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,757
Some just love bating their fellow forum members. This is getting old thirty.
Read the post beforehand, Brian. Callen and I have our own little gig going (my response to him was more in fun than anything). If you had any neutrality whatsoever, you would have addressed this to him and his post because... mmhmm (in as best BB Thornton Slingblade impression as I might be able to muster) he threw first.
I'll tell you what's really getting old though is your incessant need to weigh in on everyone's tact. For future, when making the loud and proud proclamation that 'you're out' because a thread doesn't meet your tastes... then stay out. Don't be a blowhard.
Duly noted.
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You would know.
I do know that posting and replacing with fail at later interludes supersedes the OP comments.
A rather convoluted sentence, youngster.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Some just love bating their fellow forum members. This is getting old thirty.
Read the post beforehand, Brian. Callen and I have our own little gig going (my response to him was more in fun than anything). If you had any neutrality whatsoever, you would have addressed this to him and his post because... mmhmm (in as best BB Thornton Slingblade impression as I might be able to muster) he threw first.
I'll tell you what's really getting old though is your incessant need to weigh in on everyone's tact. For future, when making the loud and proud proclamation that 'you're out' because a thread doesn't meet your tastes... then stay out. Don't be a blowhard.
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But i admit that there is a possibility that the judge could have been too lenient when considering whether or not this was medically necessary in this particular person's case (while still acknowledging that his condition COULD make it so). Again, it all depends on the medical details. I'm not about to say yes or no about this case in particular without those details. I can only say what my opinion is regarding the laws that are in play for this case.
Now Brian and I are standing in opposite corners, pouting, and with our arms folded.
More than likely.
His playtime should've been over the second the word "guilty" was cast upon him.
i wonder if she is hot though?