California has lost its mind

Last-12-Exit
Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
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A California judge has ordered the tax payers pay for a sex change operation for a convicted 2nd degree murderer. I'm all about treating inmates, but I think this is a slap in the face to the tax payers in California. This inmate has gotten therapy for years, there is no reason the tax payers should have to pay for this.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/04/03/judge-orders-california-to-pay-for-inmate-sex-change/

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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Those of you here from California, are you ok with paying for this?
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    I'm wondering when the first post urging support for this appears?
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,827
    That is a fucked up situation I'd vote no on this one , but man I can't even begin to imagine how many times he/she must of gotten abused in prison by the other male inmates ....but still a convicted murderer
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    You guys crack me up. Anything to start an argument.

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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    brianlux said:

    You guys crack me up. Anything to start an argument.

    I abstain.

    Seriously? I'm glad your willing to pay for an unnecessary procedure for a convicted murderer. I sure as hell wouldn't want to.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    Last-12-Exit said:

    brianlux said:

    You guys crack me up. Anything to start an argument.

    I abstain.

    Seriously? I'm glad your willing to pay for an unnecessary procedure for a convicted murderer. I sure as hell wouldn't want to.
    I didn't say that. I said "I abstain" not because I agree or disagree with the state's ruling but because I object to the comments made here already that merely intend to provoke an argument rather than instigate a discussion. And because I already abstained, I gave up my right to voice my opinion on the matter. I'll catch up with you guys elsewhere.

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  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    Yeah I don't know why taxpayers are being forced to pay for the operation. He shouldn't be denied his right to sex reassignment surgery, but he should pay for it himself. If he was not in jail would it still be covered by taxpayers? One hundred percent? Or is it only because he's in jail?
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Last-12-Exit said:

    Those of you here from California, are you ok with paying for this?

    Nope, not cool with anyone paying for this but the person seeking it out.

    (and for what it's worth, don't think you were instigating anything)
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    hedonist said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    Those of you here from California, are you ok with paying for this?

    Nope, not cool with anyone paying for this but the person seeking it out.

    (and for what it's worth, don't think you were instigating anything)
    Yeah I agree. I don't think you were instigating anything.

    As for the murderer who wants a sex change. He's 51 years old. Instead of murdering someone and being jailed, he could have gotten a job and saved up enough money by now to afford his sex reassignment surgery.

    Why on earth would a JUDGE make a ruling that he people of California have to pay for his surgery? This is insane. With all the problems this state has they have to spend $1,000,000 dollars to turn this guy into a woman? Wtf!?
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  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    $100,000
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    The Waiting Trophy Man said:

    $100,000

    Even if it was $10... how is something like this even considered?

    Ridiculous. And it speaks to how far the pendulum has swung.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,820
    Similar to Chelsey Manning if funds can be raised for this from private sources then it should be allowed, otherwise I have to say no to the state paying for it.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,777
    edited April 2015
    No free elective surgeries for inmates - that seems like a no brainer to me. So where is the judge coming from?? Because I would say that the judge being crazy or stupid isn't the problem.
    The judge ruled this way because he decided that sex reassignment surgery isn't an elective surgery at all, and that leads to having to say that the state pay for it since the state is obligated to pay for prisoners' nonelective/medically necessary surgeries. So is sex reassignment surgery medically necessary here, keeping in mind that psychiatry is a branch of medicine, and that is not in question? That is the real issue here. It's a debate about mental health and where it stands in medical practice.
    I would really need to know more about the prisoner's condition to say whether I thought this was a good decision or not, and so would all of you.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,470
    this procedure will cost less than it costs to execute just one prisoner. much less. just sayin.
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    I wouldn't care if it cost a dollar. It is elective. And he's a prisoner. Any lawyer can get a doctor to testify that this is required for the inmates mental heath. I agree that mental health should be dealt with in the prison system, but this is going to far.

    What this judge is saying that this inmates life will dramatically inprove after this surgery. I don't buy it. But then again, I'm not a doctor. Why not let inmates get nose jobs and face lifts if they are self conscious? You have to draw the line somewhere.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,777
    edited April 2015
    I just don't think we know enough about the patient to say from this article. We have no idea what his symptoms were. Yes, maybe it wasn't too bad and this would rightly be called an elective surgery. Then again, maybe not. Maybe the prisoner's condition was dire. Maybe he was going absolutely bugshit crazy and was an immediate physical threat to himself and others because of his condition. Or was living in such abject misery to the point where it would be considered cruel and unusual to make him continue on like that. Or yeah, maybe his lawyer fudged it and manipulated the system. No idea. Without that kind of info i don't feel like anyone can say one way or the other if this was a good or a bad decision.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,470
    gender dysphoria is a terrible thing. i don't know what this guy is going through, so i am not gonna judge him or discount what he needs healthwise.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    If I were to voice my opinion... haha, I know I said I wouldn't... but what PJ_Soul and gimme said makes a lot of sense to me. I wouldn't judge this person based on one fairly brief article, especially a Fox news article. But some of you jumped right on it. That's why it seemed to me like this was just going to be another argument. Can we get some more facts here and discuss intelligently?
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    gimmesometruth27 said:

    gender dysphoria is a terrible thing. i don't know what this guy is going through, so i am not gonna judge him or discount what he needs healthwise.

    Agreed. But murder is much worse.

    If it was a health related issue where his life depended on it... go ahead... intervene and save the guy (although truthfully, you wouldn't be breaking my heart if you didn't- the guy murdered someone).

    Gender reorientation is not of the 'critical' variety. How we have ever reached the point in society where we would even entertain the idea of this mind blowing. I could think of 10 million things off the top of my head where $100,000 state tax dollars could be spent better.
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    I'm not judging this guy. I'm pissed that a judge has set a precedent that it's ok to allow the tax payers to pay for an elective operation for a convicted murderer.

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