at this point, not to knock our military, but i would not be surprised in the least if we accidently shot it down. i have zero confidence in our military brass. the brass follows orders from the buffoon in chief without question, so i have lost respect for the brass.
How could we fire missiles from the ground wiithin Iran?
at this point, not to knock our military, but i would not be surprised in the least if we accidently shot it down. i have zero confidence in our military brass. the brass follows orders from the buffoon in chief without question, so i have lost respect for the brass.
How could we fire missiles from the ground wiithin Iran?
good point.
sorry i got confused. i thought the plane crashed within iraQ.
we have to have people on the ground over there.
Understood, It is very easy to get confused at this point of the story. Still lots of info to come out.
having loved ones on the plane doesn't change common sense.
is it possible? of course, anything is. maybe obama fired the missile from his home in kenya. but it's clearly not the answer that makes the most sense.
Dude, I told you earlier, your opinion doesn’t matter to me. I’m here to vent about Trump. I’ve paid attention since day one and PREDICTED HE WOULD WIN the presidency.
I knew this would be a shitshow... only it isn’t funny anymore. Peoples lives are at stake, including yours. But if you want to make excuses, you go right ahead. I’m not taking this shit lying down.
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having loved ones on the plane doesn't change common sense.
is it possible? of course, anything is. maybe obama fired the missile from his home in kenya. but it's clearly not the answer that makes the most sense.
Dude, I told you earlier, your opinion doesn’t matter to me. I’m here to vent about Trump. I’ve paid attention since day one and PREDICTED HE WOULD WIN the presidency.
I knew this would be a shitshow... only it isn’t funny anymore. Peoples lives are at stake, including yours. But if you want to make excuses, you go right ahead. I’m not taking this shit lying down.
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I don’t need to listen to YOUR opinion. But one of the Trumpster sheeple would twist everything I was posting and of course once again take one little piece of it out of context and write some inane comment.
SO the Iranians apparently thought the plane was a response to their rocket attack and shot it down....
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Meh, we’ve had it out before. Wants me to somehow agree with his point that I simply don’t agree with while I could care less if he agrees with mine 😂. Trump has pissed me off, I’m fired up. He keeps poking the bear.
I don’t dislike anyone, but I’m not backing down on this. That asshole is responsible for this.Period.
how is the alleged stance by our favourite rock band relevant to this? do your formulate all your opinions based on the teachings of The Almighty Vedder?
To add, who cares what members of Pearl Jam think? I don’t make my opinion based on what Ed says at a show.
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Words of Vedder =/= words in music of Pearl Jam?
I've always thought it’s less political position preached from behind the red and more a philosophy how we should treat each other and the planet.
Man beats wife within an inch of her life, leaves the house wife is shaken up, unsure what to do. wife hears someone coming up the driveway, she panics, finds gun. it's dark, she assumes it's him she comes outside, shoots and fires and kills the person in the driveway. except it wasn't her husband. it was their neighbour.
who in this situation gets charged with the death of the neighbour, and goes to trial?
Are you suggesting Iran mistook this commercial jet for a military one? Even 1960s radar would easily tell the difference. I have zero doubt they knew exactly what they were shooting at.
Pure speculation on my part but I’m not convinced that these systems differentiate between civilian and military aircraft and they’re operated with little more than the crew to be in position and push a button. The link doesn’t speak much to its command & control features.
Many countries have combined military and civilian airports so it’s not inconceivable that the system was deployed near the civilian part of the airport. Also, many weapon system sales include training and advisors for a period of time or on contract. Quite possible that Putin on the ritz’s boys were there. Or, you have Iranian military afraid of consequences for not protecting the homeland if it was a US bombing mission. Team Trump Treason bears some responsibility, regardless. Particularly, if Hannity was spouting off.
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Iran has invited all the countries who had citizenship onboard and Boeing to come and participate in an investigation.
US sanctions prevent our participation. Without modification or a temporary order.
International law allows for NTSB participation because the plane was manufactured in the US. It’s not without its complications of course and it’s unclear at what level the NTSB can be involved.
Iran has invited all the countries who had citizenship onboard and Boeing to come and participate in an investigation.
US sanctions prevent our participation. Without modification or a temporary order.
Canada too I assume since they have no diplomatic relations with Iran.
“Following international protocol, Iran's civil aviation authority officials will lead the investigation into the crash, while Canada's Transportation Safety Board has appointed a Canadian expert to receive and review information from the probe.”
Iran has invited all the countries who had citizenship onboard and Boeing to come and participate in an investigation.
US sanctions prevent our participation. Without modification or a temporary order.
Canada too I assume since they have no diplomatic relations with Iran.
“Following international protocol, Iran's civil aviation authority officials will lead the investigation into the crash, while Canada's Transportation Safety Board has appointed a Canadian expert to receive and review information from the probe.”
So they aren’t actually going to Iran?
I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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Man beats wife within an inch of her life, leaves the house wife is shaken up, unsure what to do. wife hears someone coming up the driveway, she panics, finds gun. it's dark, she assumes it's him she comes outside, shoots and fires and kills the person in the driveway. except it wasn't her husband. it was their neighbour.
who in this situation gets charged with the death of the neighbour, and goes to trial?
Are you suggesting Iran mistook this commercial jet for a military one? Even 1960s radar would easily tell the difference. I have zero doubt they knew exactly what they were shooting at.
Pure speculation on my part but I’m not convinced that these systems differentiate between civilian and military aircraft and they’re operated with little more than the crew to be in position and push a button. The link doesn’t speak much to its command & control features.
Many countries have combined military and civilian airports so it’s not inconceivable that the system was deployed near the civilian part of the airport. Also, many weapon system sales include training and advisors for a period of time or on contract. Quite possible that Putin on the ritz’s boys were there. Or, you have Iranian military afraid of consequences for not protecting the homeland if it was a US bombing mission. Team Trump Treason bears some responsibility, regardless. Particularly, if Hannity was spouting off.
a known commercial flight taking off from tehrans airport.
my suspicion is it could very well be regime opposition group(s) within Iran seeking to make them look bad or force some kind of international military response to elicit regime change.....
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Man beats wife within an inch of her life, leaves the house wife is shaken up, unsure what to do. wife hears someone coming up the driveway, she panics, finds gun. it's dark, she assumes it's him she comes outside, shoots and fires and kills the person in the driveway. except it wasn't her husband. it was their neighbour.
who in this situation gets charged with the death of the neighbour, and goes to trial?
Are you suggesting Iran mistook this commercial jet for a military one? Even 1960s radar would easily tell the difference. I have zero doubt they knew exactly what they were shooting at.
Pure speculation on my part but I’m not convinced that these systems differentiate between civilian and military aircraft and they’re operated with little more than the crew to be in position and push a button. The link doesn’t speak much to its command & control features.
Many countries have combined military and civilian airports so it’s not inconceivable that the system was deployed near the civilian part of the airport. Also, many weapon system sales include training and advisors for a period of time or on contract. Quite possible that Putin on the ritz’s boys were there. Or, you have Iranian military afraid of consequences for not protecting the homeland if it was a US bombing mission. Team Trump Treason bears some responsibility, regardless. Particularly, if Hannity was spouting off.
a known commercial flight taking off from tehrans airport.
my suspicion is it could very well be regime opposition group(s) within Iran seeking to make them look bad or force some kind of international military response to elicit regime change.....
If the reports are correct I highly doubt an opposition group would have such sophisticated military equipment.
Man beats wife within an inch of her life, leaves the house wife is shaken up, unsure what to do. wife hears someone coming up the driveway, she panics, finds gun. it's dark, she assumes it's him she comes outside, shoots and fires and kills the person in the driveway. except it wasn't her husband. it was their neighbour.
who in this situation gets charged with the death of the neighbour, and goes to trial?
Are you suggesting Iran mistook this commercial jet for a military one? Even 1960s radar would easily tell the difference. I have zero doubt they knew exactly what they were shooting at.
Pure speculation on my part but I’m not convinced that these systems differentiate between civilian and military aircraft and they’re operated with little more than the crew to be in position and push a button. The link doesn’t speak much to its command & control features.
Many countries have combined military and civilian airports so it’s not inconceivable that the system was deployed near the civilian part of the airport. Also, many weapon system sales include training and advisors for a period of time or on contract. Quite possible that Putin on the ritz’s boys were there. Or, you have Iranian military afraid of consequences for not protecting the homeland if it was a US bombing mission. Team Trump Treason bears some responsibility, regardless. Particularly, if Hannity was spouting off.
a known commercial flight taking off from tehrans airport.
my suspicion is it could very well be regime opposition group(s) within Iran seeking to make them look bad or force some kind of international military response to elicit regime change.....
Known to who? Three Iranians and or Russians sitting in command and control hut or cab staring at a radar screen in the dark, maybe listening to alarms stating target incoming or nearby, maybe closing. I’m not convinced they “knew” it was civilian and knowingly and willingly said shoot it down. But who knows, maybe they did?
I wouldn't be surprised if more video surfaces. Does Iran have ring doorbell? If this happened outside of LAX there would be approximately 800,000 videos on the internet right now.
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.
I agree, Trump shouldn't be in charge of anything.
2 peas in a pod...
I agree with you but sorry, Trump shouldn't be blamed.
Obama should be blamed then for the Iran nuclear deal because he should have been smart enough with future visions of this happening so shame on him.
See how stupid this all sounds?
Use common sense, his actions are way more direct than that. As always, bending over backwards to defend him.
Regardless, our PM sure was hinting in a press conference that he thinks that America shares some blame. Never outright said it. I guess the reporters asking those questions must be stupid too.
If it was common sense then most people would have it but people blindly blame Trump for literally everything.
I only defend what should be obvious. You have a whole slew of reporters that can't stand Trump. You think for a second that if they can make some sort of connection in the slightest to blame him for something they won't?
That's not smart that's brilliantly biased.
this attempt to keep from blaming trump is a joke, right?
he is the commander in chief. he gets the glory when things go right, correct? just like a quarterback. who gets the blame when things go bad? the quarterback. trump is the president. the buck stops with him. period. all of this is trump's fault. he tore up the iran deal that was working well. trump blew up a high ranking general when he did not have to. this provoked the retaliation from iran. a plane was downed. trump knocked down the first domino in the line. everything that happens after that initial move is all trump's responsibility. fuck trump. he needs to go to the hague.
Love it. Fight for what you believe. Couldn’t agree more with everything you posted.
thank you.
i am just sick to death of people defending the indefensible.
we had other options. we could have used diplomacy. we could have used sanctions. we would have put further restrictions in place. we could have done small military engagements. we could have done a targeted assassination of a high ranking official with a drone. we could have used a nuke.
fucking moron chose to forego the other routes and blow up the general because he wants to be a war hero. i am disgusted that people would defend this choice. it is easy in hindsight to condemn him, but WHO IN THE HELL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HAVING THE FORESIGHT TO PREDICT THE RESPONSE AND FOLLOWING ACTIONS?? THE FUCKING MILITARY BRASS.
i don't see anyone defending trump. just because everyone doesn't automatically assign 100% blame to him for everything, does not equate to defending him. you don't find any fault in the ones who pulled the trigger/pushed the button/gave the order?
i blame him for the bullshit he pulls. day in and fucking day out. but fuck if i'm just going to jump on the bandwagon every single goddamn time something goes wrong that even sniffs of him. yes, he fucked up. he fucked up royally. yes, he started this. but he didn't pull the trigger on that civilian plane. iran did.
blame isn't 100% on either party here.
i 100% blame him and his advisers for the assassination. that shit disgusts me. but not everything that follows after is 100% attributable to any one person.
how is the alleged stance by our favourite rock band relevant to this? do your formulate all your opinions based on the teachings of The Almighty Vedder?
It’s a Pearl Jam forum knucklehead lmao
uh, and how is that relevant? we aren't talking about their music here, (insert childish name-calling here)
again, do you formulate all your opinions based on what you think the band would think? and you call other people sheep?
having loved ones on the plane doesn't change common sense.
is it possible? of course, anything is. maybe obama fired the missile from his home in kenya. but it's clearly not the answer that makes the most sense.
Dude, I told you earlier, your opinion doesn’t matter to me. I’m here to vent about Trump. I’ve paid attention since day one and PREDICTED HE WOULD WIN the presidency.
I knew this would be a shitshow... only it isn’t funny anymore. Peoples lives are at stake, including yours. But if you want to make excuses, you go right ahead. I’m not taking this shit lying down.
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I don’t need to listen to YOUR opinion. But one of the Trumpster sheeple would twist everything I was posting and of course once again take one little piece of it out of context and write some inane comment.
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of course you don't. you keep saying my opinion doesn't matter. and that's fine if that's what you think. but then why keep replying? no one's holding a gun to your head.
for the record: i don't believe there are any of trump's people in this thread at the moment. just people with opposing views attempting to have an adult conversation. not everyone you disagree with is a trump supporter. it blows me away that this keeps having to be said 3 years in.
I wouldn't be surprised if more video surfaces. Does Iran have ring doorbell? If this happened outside of LAX there would be approximately 800,000 videos on the internet right now.
sorry, this made me chuckle a bit. i imagined they have a front door to the country.
I wouldn't be surprised if more video surfaces. Does Iran have ring doorbell? If this happened outside of LAX there would be approximately 800,000 videos on the internet right now.
sorry, this made me chuckle a bit. i imagined they have a front door to the country.
they have one of those robot things from Jabba's palace.
I figure Ring Doorbell is probably not an option due to Amazon probably being restricted. But I imagine the citizens are like everyone else and probably invest in home surveillance. And you have to figure everyone was peaking out their windows with cell phones in hand. How many people live in Tehran?
Meh, we’ve had it out before. Wants me to somehow agree with his point that I simply don’t agree with while I could care less if he agrees with mine 😂. Trump has pissed me off, I’m fired up. He keeps poking the bear.
I don’t dislike anyone, but I’m not backing down on this. That asshole is responsible for this.Period.
really? "he cares more about it than i do"? let me know when your next recess is, and we can meet up at the bike racks to trade baseball cards.
i don't recall having it out before with you, but i'll take your word for it. i suppose that explains it.
having loved ones on the plane doesn't change common sense.
is it possible? of course, anything is. maybe obama fired the missile from his home in kenya. but it's clearly not the answer that makes the most sense.
Dude, I told you earlier, your opinion doesn’t matter to me. I’m here to vent about Trump. I’ve paid attention since day one and PREDICTED HE WOULD WIN the presidency.
I knew this would be a shitshow... only it isn’t funny anymore. Peoples lives are at stake, including yours. But if you want to make excuses, you go right ahead. I’m not taking this shit lying down.
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I don’t need to listen to YOUR opinion. But one of the Trumpster sheeple would twist everything I was posting and of course once again take one little piece of it out of context and write some inane comment.
PSA from 1TK
of course you don't. you keep saying my opinion doesn't matter. and that's fine if that's what you think. but then why keep replying? no one's holding a gun to your head.
for the record: i don't believe there are any of trump's people in this thread at the moment. just people with opposing views attempting to have an adult conversation. not everyone you disagree with is a trump supporter. it blows me away that this keeps having to be said 3 years in.
Because as always you just have to get the last word in and then hide behind the fact you want to have “an adult conversation”. I already said I came in to vent. Several Canadians died due Trump’s ineptness and lack of empathy. I blame him for what happened and I can only hope he will be held accountable. This guy is a buffoon... his decisions are costing people their lives.
Your initial response was typically smug and while most times I ignore you, as I mentioned earlier, I’ve reached the end of my rope with Trump and I’m fired up. I don’t need anymore evidence to blame him for this and I certainly don’t need anyone to tell me it’s “quite a leap” to blame Trump for it.
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I've always thought it’s less political position preached from behind the red and more a philosophy how we should treat each other and the planet.
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Many countries have combined military and civilian airports so it’s not inconceivable that the system was deployed near the civilian part of the airport. Also, many weapon system sales include training and advisors for a period of time or on contract. Quite possible that Putin on the ritz’s boys were there. Or, you have Iranian military afraid of consequences for not protecting the homeland if it was a US bombing mission. Team Trump Treason bears some responsibility, regardless. Particularly, if Hannity was spouting off.
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i blame him for the bullshit he pulls. day in and fucking day out. but fuck if i'm just going to jump on the bandwagon every single goddamn time something goes wrong that even sniffs of him. yes, he fucked up. he fucked up royally. yes, he started this. but he didn't pull the trigger on that civilian plane. iran did.
blame isn't 100% on either party here.
i 100% blame him and his advisers for the assassination. that shit disgusts me. but not everything that follows after is 100% attributable to any one person.
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again, do you formulate all your opinions based on what you think the band would think? and you call other people sheep?
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for the record: i don't believe there are any of trump's people in this thread at the moment. just people with opposing views attempting to have an adult conversation. not everyone you disagree with is a trump supporter. it blows me away that this keeps having to be said 3 years in.
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I figure Ring Doorbell is probably not an option due to Amazon probably being restricted. But I imagine the citizens are like everyone else and probably invest in home surveillance. And you have to figure everyone was peaking out their windows with cell phones in hand. How many people live in Tehran?
i don't recall having it out before with you, but i'll take your word for it. i suppose that explains it.
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