I think the missiles are a big smoke screen, the airliner is the real story, no?
I seriously doubt it. The plane had no Americans and was plurality Iranian. Also had a bunch of Canadians. Both the Ukraine and Iranian gov'ts are saying mechanical failure. Why would either US or Iran shoot that down, and then Ukraine comes out and says it was mechanical? Occam's Razor day.
The airliner story will become moot and not this Occams Razor/Rube Goldberg thing you have going on here. Unless they start pulling names from the plane that mean something then the black helicopters can start flying and that razor can be sharpened and Rube's machine for opening up that can of worms will be extravagant.
I have no idea what this even means.
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I think it's what Neil said: "There's more to the picture/ than meets they eye..."
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I think the missiles are a big smoke screen, the airliner is the real story, no?
I seriously doubt it. The plane had no Americans and was plurality Iranian. Also had a bunch of Canadians. Both the Ukraine and Iranian gov'ts are saying mechanical failure. Why would either US or Iran shoot that down, and then Ukraine comes out and says it was mechanical? Occam's Razor day.
The airliner story will become moot and not this Occams Razor/Rube Goldberg thing you have going on here. Unless they start pulling names from the plane that mean something then the black helicopters can start flying and that razor can be sharpened and Rube's machine for opening up that can of worms will be extravagant.
What kind of a weird war game is this anyway? A U.S. drone kills Suleimani. Iran strikes back by targeting a base in Iraq but warns them first and choose a target that is relatively secure. For the most part, the only casualties are Irag civilians. Iraq does not seem to be too concerned about that. And supposedly the Iranian missile strike may appease all involved. WTF?
What the hell is going on here?
I say something along these lines and I get accused of being a Trump lackey, you say it and crickets...
Amazing.
Not at all. I think the point that Brian is making is that both sides may be looking for a way out of the escalation. Iran felt like it had to counter, and they did so in a fairly innocuous way, with no apparent casualties. That's a perfectly reasonable assessment of the next potential steps. That's analysis and thinking about what is happening, not cheering or booing any side.
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Again: "
Iran strategically avoided US casualties with missiles - report
Iran is believed to have deliberately sought to avoid US military casualties in last night’s missile strikes on bases housing American troops in Iraq, according to US and European government sources familiar with intelligence assessments, Reuters writes moments ago."
Great! But what was the point and how does that avenge the killing of Suleimani? That that I want more violence, OK, don't get me wrong. I just don't get it.
But, shit, I'm operating on 5 hours sleep with a major hard day ahead of me at work. Sheesh. Off to get coffee and forget about this mess for awhile.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
What kind of a weird war game is this anyway? A U.S. drone kills Suleimani. Iran strikes back by targeting a base in Iraq but warns them first and choose a target that is relatively secure. For the most part, the only casualties are Irag civilians. Iraq does not seem to be too concerned about that. And supposedly the Iranian missile strike may appease all involved. WTF?
What the hell is going on here?
I say something along these lines and I get accused of being a Trump lackey, you say it and crickets...
Amazing.
Not at all. I think the point that Brian is making is that both sides may be looking for a way out of the escalation. Iran felt like it had to counter, and they did so in a fairly innocuous way, with no apparent casualties. That's a perfectly reasonable assessment of the next potential steps. That's analysis and thinking about what is happening, not cheering or booing any side.
“We're eyeball to eyeball, and I
think the other fellow just blinked."
"Iran’s foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, said that Iran “took and
concluded proportionate measures” with the attacks and that “we do not
seek escalation or war”. This may mean that Iran feels Suleimani’s death
has been avenged and this matter is now closed."
How is it that a country as angry as Iran feels appeased by an attack that basically did nothing but kill some Iraqi citizens and did little harm to the U.S. Not that I wanted them to be more successful (I wish none of this had happened), but it's like, OK, you killed our #2 man so we are going to kick dust in your face and call it even. WTF? There's got to be more to it, right? I don't get it.
firing 12 missles isnt insignificant. they called his bluff. he let it pass for this long..... no tweets other than All is well..... reminded of kevin bacon in animal house during the parade....
If that's calling his bluff, he must be laughing his ass off. It just doesn't add up. The whole thing is nuts.
I'm not on Twitter so can read more than what you posted.
To summarize, he gives examples of Iranian covert operations that occurred later on as retaliation for other incidents. Basically saying, do not count on this being it - it's not their M.O.
Iran strategically avoided US casualties with missiles - report
Iran is believed to have deliberately sought to avoid US military casualties in last night’s missile strikes on bases housing American troops in Iraq, according to US and European government sources familiar with intelligence assessments, Reuters writes moments ago."
Great! But what was the point and how does that avenge the killing of Suleimani? That that I want more violence, OK, don't get me wrong. I just don't get it.
But, shit, I'm operating on 5 hours sleep with a major hard day ahead of me at work. Sheesh. Off to get coffee and forget about this mess for awhile.
again Brian. it goes back to trumps 52 sites tweet. he was very clear. dont fuck with us in any way anywhere. OR ELSE......
their response is now what motherfucker. we just lobbed 12 at you.
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Iran strategically avoided US casualties with missiles - report
Iran is believed to have deliberately sought to avoid US military casualties in last night’s missile strikes on bases housing American troops in Iraq, according to US and European government sources familiar with intelligence assessments, Reuters writes moments ago."
Great! But what was the point and how does that avenge the killing of Suleimani? That that I want more violence, OK, don't get me wrong. I just don't get it.
But, shit, I'm operating on 5 hours sleep with a major hard day ahead of me at work. Sheesh. Off to get coffee and forget about this mess for awhile.
it doesn't avenge anything. it shows their capabilities and they aren't fucking around. fuck off or next time there will be casualties. I gotta be honest here, it's interesting to me that leadership in the middle east seems way more tempered and rational and logical than the west after western aggression.
leave it to trump.
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Iran strategically avoided US casualties with missiles - report
Iran is believed to have deliberately sought to avoid US military casualties in last night’s missile strikes on bases housing American troops in Iraq, according to US and European government sources familiar with intelligence assessments, Reuters writes moments ago."
Great! But what was the point and how does that avenge the killing of Suleimani? That that I want more violence, OK, don't get me wrong. I just don't get it.
But, shit, I'm operating on 5 hours sleep with a major hard day ahead of me at work. Sheesh. Off to get coffee and forget about this mess for awhile.
it doesn't avenge anything. it shows their capabilities and they aren't fucking around. fuck off or next time there will be casualties. I gotta be honest here, it's interesting to me that leadership in the middle east seems way more tempered and rational and logical than the west after western aggression.
leave it to trump.
Iran is not irrational. I think they are well aware that they need to keep Europe neutral and sympathetic to their position. If they lose Europe, they are in a real bind economically, so that has to be a priority for them. This is why they are rightfully bent out of shape for the administration refusing the visa for their foreign minister to come speak to the UN assembly this week. They intended to make a case there, I'm sure.
What kind of a weird war game is this anyway? A U.S. drone kills Suleimani. Iran strikes back by targeting a base in Iraq but warns them first and choose a target that is relatively secure. For the most part, the only casualties are Irag civilians. Iraq does not seem to be too concerned about that. And supposedly the Iranian missile strike may appease all involved. WTF?
What the hell is going on here?
I say something along these lines and I get accused of being a Trump lackey, you say it and crickets...
Amazing.
Not at all. I think the point that Brian is making is that both sides may be looking for a way out of the escalation. Iran felt like it had to counter, and they did so in a fairly innocuous way, with no apparent casualties. That's a perfectly reasonable assessment of the next potential steps. That's analysis and thinking about what is happening, not cheering or booing any side.
Exactly, I said pretty much the same thing but you called what I said a "trumps apologist playbook". I didn't cheer shit.
Like i said you people can be amazing on here at times...
I think the missiles are a big smoke screen, the airliner is the real story, no?
I seriously doubt it. The plane had no Americans and was plurality Iranian. Also had a bunch of Canadians. Both the Ukraine and Iranian gov'ts are saying mechanical failure. Why would either US or Iran shoot that down, and then Ukraine comes out and says it was mechanical? Occam's Razor day.
The airliner story will become moot and not this Occams Razor/Rube Goldberg thing you have going on here. Unless they start pulling names from the plane that mean something then the black helicopters can start flying and that razor can be sharpened and Rube's machine for opening up that can of worms will be extravagant.
I have no idea what this even means.
I'm not going to bother to explain it. It was a joke you didn't get.
What kind of a weird war game is this anyway? A U.S. drone kills Suleimani. Iran strikes back by targeting a base in Iraq but warns them first and choose a target that is relatively secure. For the most part, the only casualties are Irag civilians. Iraq does not seem to be too concerned about that. And supposedly the Iranian missile strike may appease all involved. WTF?
What the hell is going on here?
I say something along these lines and I get accused of being a Trump lackey, you say it and crickets...
Amazing.
Not at all. I think the point that Brian is making is that both sides may be looking for a way out of the escalation. Iran felt like it had to counter, and they did so in a fairly innocuous way, with no apparent casualties. That's a perfectly reasonable assessment of the next potential steps. That's analysis and thinking about what is happening, not cheering or booing any side.
Exactly, I said pretty much the same thing but you called what I said a "trumps apologist playbook". I didn't cheer shit.
Like i said you people can be amazing on here at times...
I dealt with this yesterday. Don't waste your time.
What kind of a weird war game is this anyway? A U.S. drone kills Suleimani. Iran strikes back by targeting a base in Iraq but warns them first and choose a target that is relatively secure. For the most part, the only casualties are Irag civilians. Iraq does not seem to be too concerned about that. And supposedly the Iranian missile strike may appease all involved. WTF?
What the hell is going on here?
I say something along these lines and I get accused of being a Trump lackey, you say it and crickets...
Amazing.
Not at all. I think the point that Brian is making is that both sides may be looking for a way out of the escalation. Iran felt like it had to counter, and they did so in a fairly innocuous way, with no apparent casualties. That's a perfectly reasonable assessment of the next potential steps. That's analysis and thinking about what is happening, not cheering or booing any side.
Exactly, I said pretty much the same thing but you called what I said a "trumps apologist playbook". I didn't cheer shit.
Like i said you people can be amazing on here at times...
That wasn't my point. My apologies. My response to Ben was about Occam's Razor in general, not your post. I don't think yours was a pro-Trump post, but I don't think it's a reasonable possibility either. If they wanted the general gone, the supreme leader doesn't need a war with the US to make it happen. I thought it was you musing about it. I do believe that Trump supporters do have to twist themselves into intellectual knots to defend his actions though. That was more the point I was making.
What kind of a weird war game is this anyway? A U.S. drone kills Suleimani. Iran strikes back by targeting a base in Iraq but warns them first and choose a target that is relatively secure. For the most part, the only casualties are Irag civilians. Iraq does not seem to be too concerned about that. And supposedly the Iranian missile strike may appease all involved. WTF?
What the hell is going on here?
I say something along these lines and I get accused of being a Trump lackey, you say it and crickets...
Amazing.
Not at all. I think the point that Brian is making is that both sides may be looking for a way out of the escalation. Iran felt like it had to counter, and they did so in a fairly innocuous way, with no apparent casualties. That's a perfectly reasonable assessment of the next potential steps. That's analysis and thinking about what is happening, not cheering or booing any side.
Exactly, I said pretty much the same thing but you called what I said a "trumps apologist playbook". I didn't cheer shit.
Like i said you people can be amazing on here at times...
That wasn't my point. My apologies. My response to Ben was about Occam's Razor in general, not your post. I don't think yours was a pro-Trump post, but I don't think it's a reasonable possibility either. If they wanted the general gone, the supreme leader doesn't need a war with the US to make it happen. I thought it was you musing about it. I do believe that Trump supporters do have to twist themselves into intellectual knots to defend his actions though. That was more the point I was making.
Absolutely....they basically have to abandon the majority of beliefs they had during the Bush/Obama years.
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Thoughts on Trumps comments? Could’ve been worse IMO.
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"Iran appears to be standing down". LOL. what a load of horseshit. Iran called Trump's bluff. But if his constant need to be seen as the stronger force deescalates the situation, so be it.
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Thoughts on Trumps comments? Could’ve been worse IMO.
They kept him from declaring war I guess. I still can't get over how horribly he reads from that teleprompter. It seriously looks like the first time he has seen the comments.
It is interesting how he doesn't correct his errors. He seriously said "toleride" instead of tolerate and I don't think he even noticed
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Thoughts on Trumps comments? Could’ve been worse IMO.
They kept him from declaring war I guess. I still can't get over how horribly he reads from that teleprompter. It seriously looks like the first time he has seen the comments.
It is interesting how he doesn't correct his errors. He seriously said "toleride" instead of tolerate and I don't think he even noticed
Lol, I’ll take it.
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Thoughts on Trumps comments? Could’ve been worse IMO.
They kept him from declaring war I guess. I still can't get over how horribly he reads from that teleprompter. It seriously looks like the first time he has seen the comments.
It is interesting how he doesn't correct his errors. He seriously said "toleride" instead of tolerate and I don't think he even noticed
Thoughts on Trumps comments? Could’ve been worse IMO.
He appeared to have difficulty breathing. Was there any explanation why he was late?
THey originally announced a speech last night and then said he would do it today. And yes, then he was late.
I'm not much for conspiracy bullshit but there are a lot of threads going around about him wearing a diaper, etc. There are quite a few photos where that appears to be the case.
He didn't adlib at all and didn't take questions at the end....
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Iran strategically avoided US casualties with missiles - report
Iran is believed to have deliberately sought to avoid US military casualties in last night’s missile strikes on bases housing American troops in Iraq, according to US and European government sources familiar with intelligence assessments, Reuters writes moments ago."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/jan/08/iran-trump-news-today-live-latest-updates-attack-us-base-iraq
Great! But what was the point and how does that avenge the killing of Suleimani? That that I want more violence, OK, don't get me wrong. I just don't get it.
But, shit, I'm operating on 5 hours sleep with a major hard day ahead of me at work. Sheesh. Off to get coffee and forget about this mess for awhile.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
leave it to trump.
-EV 8/14/93
Like i said you people can be amazing on here at times...
I used to argue with my sister in law about deficits....now she says deficits are good
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
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It is interesting how he doesn't correct his errors. He seriously said "toleride" instead of tolerate and I don't think he even noticed
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
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it's working!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBHTn-GWkJk
I'm not much for conspiracy bullshit but there are a lot of threads going around about him wearing a diaper, etc. There are quite a few photos where that appears to be the case.
He didn't adlib at all and didn't take questions at the end....
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
-EV 8/14/93
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