Now Saudi Arabia is pledging to match Iran's nuclear capacity if a deal passes.
Looks like some wishes will be granted. Nukes for everyone. What could go wrong with everyone in the Middle East having nukes? They all seem to get along so well.
Now Saudi Arabia is pledging to match Iran's nuclear capacity if a deal passes.
Looks like some wishes will be granted. Nukes for everyone. What could go wrong with everyone in the Middle East having nukes? They all seem to get along so well.
Well, what could go wrong with the US having Nukes? The most aggressive state over the last hundred years? Lets all have them, but much better, let non have them!!!
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
This is an example of our administration not seeing the big picture and only focusing on keeping election promises and creating a ego-based legacy. Obama, in his attempt to reduce nuclear weapons, is potentially going to start a nuclear arms race in the middle east with this deal.
If the deal goes down, at least six countries with Sunni Muslims are going to start nuclear programs because they know that Iran, a Shi'a Muslim faith is just going to use the grace period to rebuild their economy while they focus on their original goal because they know the UN is incompetent and they can probably get 4-5 years of going full steam ahead while clowning the UN.
Now Saudi Arabia is pledging to match Iran's nuclear capacity if a deal passes.
Looks like some wishes will be granted. Nukes for everyone. What could go wrong with everyone in the Middle East having nukes? They all seem to get along so well.
Well, what could go wrong with the US having Nukes? The most aggressive state over the last hundred years? Lets all have them, but much better, let non have them!!!
We are lucky we aren't wondering around a nuclear wasteland. I know of several occasions where a thermo-nuclear war was just skirted. There was a Soviet submarine off the east coast that lost communications and the caption assumed WW3 had started. The Russians, thankfully, had a system where three officers had to give the launch codes. Two officers were hell-bent on launching them, but one officer stood strong. If he bent to the pressure of the rest of the crew, we wouldn't probably be typing on our computers right now.
It is a small miracle that global nuclear war was overted during the Cold War.
Now Saudi Arabia is pledging to match Iran's nuclear capacity if a deal passes.
Looks like some wishes will be granted. Nukes for everyone. What could go wrong with everyone in the Middle East having nukes? They all seem to get along so well.
Well, what could go wrong with the US having Nukes? The most aggressive state over the last hundred years? Lets all have them, but much better, let non have them!!!
We are lucky we aren't wondering around a nuclear wasteland. I know of several occasions where a thermo-nuclear war was just skirted. There was a Soviet submarine off the east coast that lost communications and the caption assumed WW3 had started. The Russians, thankfully, had a system where three officers had to give the launch codes. Two officers were hell-bent on launching them, but one officer stood strong. If he bent to the pressure of the rest of the crew, we wouldn't probably be typing on our computers right now.
It is a small miracle that global nuclear war was overted during the Cold War.
You're giving a Russian example right now, but be sure there will be also a lot of these types of mistakes" have been made by the US in those days. I don't think any new nuclear arms race will help the human race to evolve. But stating the present status quo, is the best outcome we can all hope for, isn't right in my opinion. Unfortunately it isn't in human nature to disarm without pressure from inside society or due to another outside force. If a society has some advantage above other societies , It is seen to be a greater treat. Those other societies will do everything in their power to overcome these advantages. Therefore I don't see a realistic solution in the near future, for these kind of arms races.
But in my opinion not speaking out in debates about these arms races is condoning them....And it's against my nature to do so, so I will battle them with words, although I don't think it does have any influence in the short or even long run.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
You're giving a Russian example right now, but be sure there will be also a lot of these types of mistakes" have been made by the US in those days. I don't think any new nuclear arms race will help the human race to evolve. But stating the present status quo, is the best outcome we can all hope for, isn't right in my opinion. Unfortunately it isn't in human nature to disarm without pressure from inside society or due to another outside force. If a society has some advantage above other societies , It is seen to be a greater treat. Those other societies will do everything in their power to overcome these advantages. Therefore I don't see a realistic solution in the near future, for these kind of arms races.
But in my opinion not speaking out in debates about these arms races is condoning them....And it's against my nature to do so, so I will battle them with words, although I don't think it does have any influence in the short or even long run.
Agreed that the US has lots of examples as well. And it doesn't even have to be a military example.
In 1961, a bomber on a training mission over North Carolina with two active H-bombs broke apart in mid-flight but somehow they didn't detonate when they hit the ground.
I believe there is a nuke somewhere off the east coast when another training mission flight had problems and let it loose before crash landing.
And a freak accident by a maintenance worker almost turned Missouri into a fall-out zone in the 80's ...
Just over 300 miles from St. Louis, the Damascus silo housed a 110-foot tall Titan II intercontinental ballistic missile. After a freak accident with a socket wrench, a massive fuel leak ended with a fiery explosion on September 19, 1980.
The resulting blast sent the warhead, three times more powerful than all of the bombs dropped by all of the armies in World War II (including Hiroshima and Nagasaki) combined, two hundred yards into the nearby woods.
The nine megaton bomb did not detonate.
"If it had detonated, it would have created firestorms throughout much of Arkansas," Schlosser said. "And the radioactive fallout would have, depending on the prevailing winds, headed towards the eastern seaboard. But if the winds were in a more circular rotation, who knows?"
A socket wrench could have killed millions of people by accident. We are lucky that vast amounts of water separated the US and Russia during the Cold War.
You're giving a Russian example right now, but be sure there will be also a lot of these types of mistakes" have been made by the US in those days. I don't think any new nuclear arms race will help the human race to evolve. But stating the present status quo, is the best outcome we can all hope for, isn't right in my opinion. Unfortunately it isn't in human nature to disarm without pressure from inside society or due to another outside force. If a society has some advantage above other societies , It is seen to be a greater treat. Those other societies will do everything in their power to overcome these advantages. Therefore I don't see a realistic solution in the near future, for these kind of arms races.
But in my opinion not speaking out in debates about these arms races is condoning them....And it's against my nature to do so, so I will battle them with words, although I don't think it does have any influence in the short or even long run.
Agreed that the US has lots of examples as well. And it doesn't even have to be a military example.
In 1961, a bomber on a training mission over North Carolina with two active H-bombs broke apart in mid-flight but somehow they didn't detonate when they hit the ground.
I believe there is a nuke somewhere off the east coast when another training mission flight had problems and let it loose before crash landing.
And a freak accident by a maintenance worker almost turned Missouri into a fall-out zone in the 80's ...
Just over 300 miles from St. Louis, the Damascus silo housed a 110-foot tall Titan II intercontinental ballistic missile. After a freak accident with a socket wrench, a massive fuel leak ended with a fiery explosion on September 19, 1980.
The resulting blast sent the warhead, three times more powerful than all of the bombs dropped by all of the armies in World War II (including Hiroshima and Nagasaki) combined, two hundred yards into the nearby woods.
The nine megaton bomb did not detonate.
"If it had detonated, it would have created firestorms throughout much of Arkansas," Schlosser said. "And the radioactive fallout would have, depending on the prevailing winds, headed towards the eastern seaboard. But if the winds were in a more circular rotation, who knows?"
A socket wrench could have killed millions of people by accident. We are lucky that vast amounts of water separated the US and Russia during the Cold War.
I'm currently reading Command & Control. It's fascinating but not surprising. I'm not sure the Gulf states would actually pursue nuclear weapons and the method(s) to deliver them. It's a gargantuan task and sucks up tons of resources. I'm not sure they have the will to follow through. That being said, if they did attain them, maybe they would all learn to play nice with one another as the consequences or potential alternative would be far worse. Think Cuban missile crises. Personally, I think the Saudis and the other Gulf states have hidden behind the US for far to long and maybe they need to take more responsibility for their security, whether conventional, preferable or otherwise. I'm sick and tired of defending every two bit dictatorship while so many of our own nation's needs are unmet. Remember, Command & Control mentions the "illusion" of strength and that is how I see the Saudis and their bluster.
Why is it up to the US to determine who can and who cannot have nuclear weapons? Shouldn't we lead by example and be working toward reducing our stockpile to a purely defensive posture?
Reducing the US nuclear stockpile is one of the main goals of our current administration. These talks are part of that goal.
I just think their was some short-sightless on our part to not realize the chain reaction of events that could play out. Much like we let the Arab Spring play out over the last few years ago. It seemed cool at the time, yet now we have DAESH (fuck ISIS ... they don't deserve the "I")
The big problem is the hate-relationship between the two major Islam religions ... And there is a lot of hate between them.
Giving one of these groups access to nukes will lead to bad things. The US should recognize this and do all they can to prevent. Because the other side will work to get nukes as quickly as possible.
And if the US can't stop Iran from getting nukes, how can we justify stopping our allies from getting nukes.
And let's not forget that the 9/11 hijackers originated from our good buddy, Saudi Arabia.
The saudis will buy one from Pakistan. The US can reduce it's stockpile if it wants but no one will care. It's a full on free for all now so better batten down the hatches.
Did GWB go to war with North Korea to prevent them from attaining nukes? No. So why should this or any future US president go to war to prevent Iran or another Gulf state from attaining nuclear weapons? Why them and not the other? What is the criteria used to determine who gets what when? Or not?
The Shia/Sunni divide is quite large and maybe they need to have it out without our choosing sides. Besides, the US lost all credibility by rejecting democratically elected governments in that part of the world. Getting elected in elections deemed fair by outside observers should lend itself to some level of legitimacy, to be negotiated with rather than demonized. Oh well, here we are.
The largest, single most contributor to this mess was GWB's and the neocons' invasion of Iraq.
Did GWB go to war with North Korea to prevent them from attaining nukes? No. So why should this or any future US president go to war to prevent Iran or another Gulf state from attaining nuclear weapons? Why them and not the other? What is the criteria used to determine who gets what when? Or not?
The Shia/Sunni divide is quite large and maybe they need to have it out without our choosing sides. Besides, the US lost all credibility by rejecting democratically elected governments in that part of the world. Getting elected in elections deemed fair by outside observers should lend itself to some level of legitimacy, to be negotiated with rather than demonized. Oh well, here we are.
The largest, single most contributor to this mess was GWB's and the neocons' invasion of Iraq.
Blame whoever you would like. Iran will have a bomb. It's done.
The saudis will buy one from Pakistan. The US can reduce it's stockpile if it wants but no one will care. It's a full on free for all now so better batten down the hatches.
From what I've researched, that is their quick move. It appears the Saudis have provided funding for Pakistan's program. The Saudis have made the moves and payments where this is an end game for them, to have the Pakistanis give them the nukes.
I'm thinking they are waiting out the Obama administration timeline in office before choosing the "nuclear option". They Saudis clearly don't trust our current administration.
And why should we trust them? Exporting and funding the salafists, the most extreme version of Islam. 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers from Saudi Arabia. GWB allowing all the Saudis to flee the next day. Yea, they're our ally.
The saudis will buy one from Pakistan. The US can reduce it's stockpile if it wants but no one will care. It's a full on free for all now so better batten down the hatches.
I'm prepping my doomsday basement room as I type this. Gonna test the local web in case the wifi goes down. Keep beating that war drum and fear mongering professor. Let me know when it's safe to come out.
And why should we trust them? Exporting and funding the salafists, the most extreme version of Islam. 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers from Saudi Arabia. GWB allowing all the Saudis to flee the next day. Yea, they're our ally.
It's clear they don't trust the Obama admin based on our admin actions. And why shouldn't they trust us as far as I'm concerned?
Barrack has lost the Saudi support. In the past they have pressed the US for guidance, but our current admin has forced them to go rouge, much like the rest of the region.
The saudis will buy one from Pakistan. The US can reduce it's stockpile if it wants but no one will care. It's a full on free for all now so better batten down the hatches.
I'm prepping my doomsday basement room as I type this. Gonna test the local web in case the wifi goes down. Keep beating that war drum and fear mongering professor. Let me know when it's safe to come out.
No war drum. Stating fact that Iran will build one and Saudis will buy one. That's it. No need to prep. Go on as usual. We're either all good or we're not. It's your world now Halifax.
The saudis will buy one from Pakistan. The US can reduce it's stockpile if it wants but no one will care. It's a full on free for all now so better batten down the hatches.
From what I've researched, that is their quick move. It appears the Saudis have provided funding for Pakistan's program. The Saudis have made the moves and payments where this is an end game for them, to have the Pakistanis give them the nukes.
I'm thinking they are waiting out the Obama administration timeline in office before choosing the "nuclear option". They Saudis clearly don't trust our current administration.
Question for you BS, should Israel sign the nuclear treaty and come forth with what they have? Are you, BS, ok with Israel having over 200 of them and most pointed in the direction of North America, including your lovely maple leaf country. Curious minds want to know.
Question for you BS, should Israel sign the nuclear treaty and come forth with what they have? Are you, BS, ok with Israel having over 200 of them and most pointed in the direction of North America, including your lovely maple leaf country. Curious minds want to know.
The saudis will buy one from Pakistan. The US can reduce it's stockpile if it wants but no one will care. It's a full on free for all now so better batten down the hatches.
I'm prepping my doomsday basement room as I type this. Gonna test the local web in case the wifi goes down. Keep beating that war drum and fear mongering professor. Let me know when it's safe to come out.
No war drum. Stating fact that Iran will build one and Saudis will buy one. That's it. No need to prep. Go on as usual. We're either all good or we're not. It's your world now Halifax.
And I'm soooooooo scared of those big bad scary Iranians and all the rest of the world that doesn't look like me. I'm soooooooo very scared. So much so that I'm going to hide under the bed. Let me know when Canada has made the world safe again, pretty please?
The saudis will buy one from Pakistan. The US can reduce it's stockpile if it wants but no one will care. It's a full on free for all now so better batten down the hatches.
I'm prepping my doomsday basement room as I type this. Gonna test the local web in case the wifi goes down. Keep beating that war drum and fear mongering professor. Let me know when it's safe to come out.
No war drum. Stating fact that Iran will build one and Saudis will buy one. That's it. No need to prep. Go on as usual. We're either all good or we're not. It's your world now Halifax.
And I'm soooooooo scared of those big bad scary Iranians and all the rest of the world that doesn't look like me. I'm soooooooo very scared. So much so that I'm going to hide under the bed. Let me know when Canada has made the world safe again, pretty please?
Don't be scared but don't deny it's coming. There is no deal.
The saudis will buy one from Pakistan. The US can reduce it's stockpile if it wants but no one will care. It's a full on free for all now so better batten down the hatches.
I'm prepping my doomsday basement room as I type this. Gonna test the local web in case the wifi goes down. Keep beating that war drum and fear mongering professor. Let me know when it's safe to come out.
No war drum. Stating fact that Iran will build one and Saudis will buy one. That's it. No need to prep. Go on as usual. We're either all good or we're not. It's your world now Halifax.
And I'm soooooooo scared of those big bad scary Iranians and all the rest of the world that doesn't look like me. I'm soooooooo very scared. So much so that I'm going to hide under the bed. Let me know when Canada has made the world safe again, pretty please?
Don't be scared but don't deny it's coming. There is no deal.
Is it June 30th already? I'll wait for the deadline before making such pronouncements. And if it is, so what? Canada's going to invade Iran? Bomb them back to the stone age?
Question for you BS, should Israel sign the nuclear treaty and come forth with what they have? Are you, BS, ok with Israel having over 200 of them and most pointed in the direction of North America, including your lovely maple leaf country. Curious minds want to know.
Israel's nukes are pointed at Canada?
Yes. And funny how you skip my question. I wonder why. You're a fucken phony, 100%. You got no balls to answer questions poised to you. I asked you a simple question and that was your response. I should've expected this answer from you.
Question for you BS, should Israel sign the nuclear treaty and come forth with what they have? Are you, BS, ok with Israel having over 200 of them and most pointed in the direction of North America, including your lovely maple leaf country. Curious minds want to know.
Israel's nukes are pointed at Canada?
Yes. And funny how you skip my question. I wonder why. You're a fucken phony, 100%. You got no balls to answer questions poised to you. I asked you a simple question and that was your response. I should've expected this answer from you.
Israel should do whatever they want. Like I said...it's a free for all now.
Question for you BS, should Israel sign the nuclear treaty and come forth with what they have? Are you, BS, ok with Israel having over 200 of them and most pointed in the direction of North America, including your lovely maple leaf country. Curious minds want to know.
Israel's nukes are pointed at Canada?
Yes. And funny how you skip my question. I wonder why. You're a fucken phony, 100%. You got no balls to answer questions poised to you. I asked you a simple question and that was your response. I should've expected this answer from you.
Nart, I'm in 100% agreement that Israel should be signing the nuclear treaty and confessing to what they possess. If the exclusive purpose of having nuclear weapons is for self-defence (second-strike retaliation), then a country with that intent should have no problem with full disclosure, since intent is reasonable. I'm in 100% disagreement about your comment about Israel's nukes pointed at Canada. Besides the obvious that Canada is openly pro-Israel (maybe even more so than the States these days), it's also mostly for the same reason that I find it absurd that Iran would drop nukes on Israel and/or the US: fear of retaliation. Just as it would be the end of Iran if they were to drop a nuclear weapon on Israel or the US (second-strike retaliation), it would be the end of Israel if they dropped a nuclear weapon on an ally of the US. This directly goes against Israel's primary objective, which has always been the preservation of what it refers to as the "Jewish homeland".
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Question for you BS, should Israel sign the nuclear treaty and come forth with what they have? Are you, BS, ok with Israel having over 200 of them and most pointed in the direction of North America, including your lovely maple leaf country. Curious minds want to know.
Israel's nukes are pointed at Canada?
Yes. And funny how you skip my question. I wonder why. You're a fucken phony, 100%. You got no balls to answer questions poised to you. I asked you a simple question and that was your response. I should've expected this answer from you.
Nart, I'm in 100% agreement that Israel should be signing the nuclear treaty and confessing to what they possess. If the exclusive purpose of having nuclear weapons is for self-defence (second-strike retaliation), then a country with that intent should have no problem with full disclosure, since intent is reasonable. I'm in 100% disagreement about your comment about Israel's nukes pointed at Canada. Besides the obvious that Canada is openly pro-Israel (maybe even more so than the States these days), it's also mostly for the same reason that I find it absurd that Iran would drop nukes on Israel and/or the US: fear of retaliation. Just as it would be the end of Iran if they were to drop a nuclear weapon on Israel or the US (second-strike retaliation), it would be the end of Israel if they dropped a nuclear weapon on an ally of the US. This directly goes against Israel's primary objective, which has always been the preservation of what it refers to as the "Jewish homeland".
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Looks like some wishes will be granted. Nukes for everyone. What could go wrong with everyone in the Middle East having nukes? They all seem to get along so well.
nytimes.com/2015/05/14/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-promises-to-match-iran-in-nuclear-capability.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
If the deal goes down, at least six countries with Sunni Muslims are going to start nuclear programs because they know that Iran, a Shi'a Muslim faith is just going to use the grace period to rebuild their economy while they focus on their original goal because they know the UN is incompetent and they can probably get 4-5 years of going full steam ahead while clowning the UN.
It is a small miracle that global nuclear war was overted during the Cold War.
But in my opinion not speaking out in debates about these arms races is condoning them....And it's against my nature to do so, so I will battle them with words, although I don't think it does have any influence in the short or even long run.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
In 1961, a bomber on a training mission over North Carolina with two active H-bombs broke apart in mid-flight but somehow they didn't detonate when they hit the ground.
I believe there is a nuke somewhere off the east coast when another training mission flight had problems and let it loose before crash landing.
And a freak accident by a maintenance worker almost turned Missouri into a fall-out zone in the 80's ...
Just over 300 miles from St. Louis, the Damascus silo housed a 110-foot tall Titan II intercontinental ballistic missile. After a freak accident with a socket wrench, a massive fuel leak ended with a fiery explosion on September 19, 1980.
The resulting blast sent the warhead, three times more powerful than all of the bombs dropped by all of the armies in World War II (including Hiroshima and Nagasaki) combined, two hundred yards into the nearby woods.
The nine megaton bomb did not detonate.
"If it had detonated, it would have created firestorms throughout much of Arkansas," Schlosser said. "And the radioactive fallout would have, depending on the prevailing winds, headed towards the eastern seaboard. But if the winds were in a more circular rotation, who knows?"
ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/09/24/eric-schlosser-command-control-nuclear-miss/16144021/
A socket wrench could have killed millions of people by accident. We are lucky that vast amounts of water separated the US and Russia during the Cold War.
Why is it up to the US to determine who can and who cannot have nuclear weapons? Shouldn't we lead by example and be working toward reducing our stockpile to a purely defensive posture?
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I just think their was some short-sightless on our part to not realize the chain reaction of events that could play out. Much like we let the Arab Spring play out over the last few years ago. It seemed cool at the time, yet now we have DAESH (fuck ISIS ... they don't deserve the "I")
The big problem is the hate-relationship between the two major Islam religions ... And there is a lot of hate between them.
Giving one of these groups access to nukes will lead to bad things. The US should recognize this and do all they can to prevent. Because the other side will work to get nukes as quickly as possible.
And if the US can't stop Iran from getting nukes, how can we justify stopping our allies from getting nukes.
And let's not forget that the 9/11 hijackers originated from our good buddy, Saudi Arabia.
The Shia/Sunni divide is quite large and maybe they need to have it out without our choosing sides. Besides, the US lost all credibility by rejecting democratically elected governments in that part of the world. Getting elected in elections deemed fair by outside observers should lend itself to some level of legitimacy, to be negotiated with rather than demonized. Oh well, here we are.
The largest, single most contributor to this mess was GWB's and the neocons' invasion of Iraq.
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I'm thinking they are waiting out the Obama administration timeline in office before choosing the "nuclear option". They Saudis clearly don't trust our current administration.
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Barrack has lost the Saudi support. In the past they have pressed the US for guidance, but our current admin has forced them to go rouge, much like the rest of the region.
I wonder how many Saudi princes are gambling recklessly in Sheldon Adelson's Sands casino?
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http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/irans-supreme-leader-foreigners-cant-interview-our-scientists-118129.html
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