Iran Deal, the reset..... and halt
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tbergs said:
Right? I completely agree. Trump should have never been allowed to be a president.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?tempo_n_groove said:
No, stop blaming Trump for everything, dear lord.dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.
I said this and it completely escaped you but Hugh made mention of it.
Why it doesn't make sense though is in this day and age all planes and their whereabouts in airspace is documented.
In other words there is radar and flight lines that are travel patterns for commercial planes so this doesn't happen.
Iran is inept if this is true.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
2 peas in a pod...dignin said:
I agree, Trump shouldn't be in charge of anything.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?tempo_n_groove said:
No, stop blaming Trump for everything, dear lord.dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.
I said this and it completely escaped you but Hugh made mention of it.
Why it doesn't make sense though is in this day and age all planes and their whereabouts in airspace is documented.
In other words there is radar and flight lines that are travel patterns for commercial planes so this doesn't happen.
Iran is inept if this is true.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
I agree with you but sorry, Trump shouldn't be blamed.
Obama should be blamed then for the Iran nuclear deal because he should have been smart enough with future visions of this happening so shame on him.
See how stupid this all sounds?0 -
Trump should definitely not be blamed if the story is true. Iran is solely responsible. Just like the shooter is to blamtempo_n_groove said:tbergs said:
Right? I completely agree. Trump should have never been allowed to be a president.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?tempo_n_groove said:
No, stop blaming Trump for everything, dear lord.dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.
I said this and it completely escaped you but Hugh made mention of it.
Why it doesn't make sense though is in this day and age all planes and their whereabouts in airspace is documented.
In other words there is radar and flight lines that are travel patterns for commercial planes so this doesn't happen.
Iran is inept if this is true.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
2 peas in a pod...dignin said:
I agree, Trump shouldn't be in charge of anything.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?tempo_n_groove said:dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of
Iran is inept if this is true.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
I agree with you but sorry, Trump shouldn't be blamed.
Obama should be blamed then for the Iran nuclear deal because he should have been smart enough with future visions of this happening so shame on him.
See how stupid this all sounds?
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Use common sense, his actions are way more direct than that. As always, bending over backwards to defend him.tempo_n_groove said:tbergs said:
Right? I completely agree. Trump should have never been allowed to be a president.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?tempo_n_groove said:
No, stop blaming Trump for everything, dear lord.dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.
I said this and it completely escaped you but Hugh made mention of it.
Why it doesn't make sense though is in this day and age all planes and their whereabouts in airspace is documented.
In other words there is radar and flight lines that are travel patterns for commercial planes so this doesn't happen.
Iran is inept if this is true.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
2 peas in a pod...dignin said:
I agree, Trump shouldn't be in charge of anything.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?tempo_n_groove said:
No, stop blaming Trump for everything, dear lord.dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.
I said this and it completely escaped you but Hugh made mention of it.
Why it doesn't make sense though is in this day and age all planes and their whereabouts in airspace is documented.
In other words there is radar and flight lines that are travel patterns for commercial planes so this doesn't happen.
Iran is inept if this is true.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
I agree with you but sorry, Trump shouldn't be blamed.
Obama should be blamed then for the Iran nuclear deal because he should have been smart enough with future visions of this happening so shame on him.
See how stupid this all sounds?
Regardless, our PM sure was hinting in a press conference that he thinks that America shares some blame. Never outright said it. I guess the reporters asking those questions must be stupid too.
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The nuclear deal was working all of this didn’t have to happen!jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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The bartender serving the drinks has been held responsible in court many times. See how this works?mcgruff10 said:
Trump should definitely not be blamed if the story is true. Iran is solely responsible. Just like the shooter is to blamtempo_n_groove said:tbergs said:
Right? I completely agree. Trump should have never been allowed to be a president.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?tempo_n_groove said:
No, stop blaming Trump for everything, dear lord.dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.
I said this and it completely escaped you but Hugh made mention of it.
Why it doesn't make sense though is in this day and age all planes and their whereabouts in airspace is documented.
In other words there is radar and flight lines that are travel patterns for commercial planes so this doesn't happen.
Iran is inept if this is true.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
2 peas in a pod...dignin said:
I agree, Trump shouldn't be in charge of anything.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?tempo_n_groove said:dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of
Iran is inept if this is true.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
I agree with you but sorry, Trump shouldn't be blamed.
Obama should be blamed then for the Iran nuclear deal because he should have been smart enough with future visions of this happening so shame on him.
See how stupid this all sounds?
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Good thing you removed those analogies. You would have suffered the same fate as I did yesterday with constant criticism. I'd still blame the brewery thoughmcgruff10 said:
Trump should definitely not be blamed if the story is true. Iran is solely responsible. Just like the shooter is to blamtempo_n_groove said:tbergs said:
Right? I completely agree. Trump should have never been allowed to be a president.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?tempo_n_groove said:
No, stop blaming Trump for everything, dear lord.dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.
I said this and it completely escaped you but Hugh made mention of it.
Why it doesn't make sense though is in this day and age all planes and their whereabouts in airspace is documented.
In other words there is radar and flight lines that are travel patterns for commercial planes so this doesn't happen.
Iran is inept if this is true.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
2 peas in a pod...dignin said:
I agree, Trump shouldn't be in charge of anything.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?tempo_n_groove said:dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of
Iran is inept if this is true.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
I agree with you but sorry, Trump shouldn't be blamed.
Obama should be blamed then for the Iran nuclear deal because he should have been smart enough with future visions of this happening so shame on him.
See how stupid this all sounds?
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Haha. I just noticed they were edited.tbergs said:
Good thing you removed those analogies. You would have suffered the same fate as I did yesterday with constant criticismmcgruff10 said:
Trump should definitely not be blamed if the story is true. Iran is solely responsible. Just like the shooter is to blamtempo_n_groove said:tbergs said:
Right? I completely agree. Trump should have never been allowed to be a president.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?tempo_n_groove said:
No, stop blaming Trump for everything, dear lord.dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.
I said this and it completely escaped you but Hugh made mention of it.
Why it doesn't make sense though is in this day and age all planes and their whereabouts in airspace is documented.
In other words there is radar and flight lines that are travel patterns for commercial planes so this doesn't happen.
Iran is inept if this is true.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
2 peas in a pod...dignin said:
I agree, Trump shouldn't be in charge of anything.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?tempo_n_groove said:dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of
Iran is inept if this is true.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
I agree with you but sorry, Trump shouldn't be blamed.
Obama should be blamed then for the Iran nuclear deal because he should have been smart enough with future visions of this happening so shame on him.
See how stupid this all sounds?0 -
of course the plane wouldn't have been shot down had Trump not been the initial aggressor. I think we can all agree on that. However, it seems NO ONE wants to hold the iranian military responsible for pulling the trigger. Which I find quite odd. Is it because everyone is just so interested in blaming trump for everything? there's plenty of blame to go around. it's not all on him.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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If it was common sense then most people would have it but people blindly blame Trump for literally everything.dignin said:
Use common sense, his actions are way more direct than that. As always, bending over backwards to defend him.tempo_n_groove said:tbergs said:
Right? I completely agree. Trump should have never been allowed to be a president.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
2 peas in a pod...dignin said:
I agree, Trump shouldn't be in charge of anything.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
I agree with you but sorry, Trump shouldn't be blamed.
Obama should be blamed then for the Iran nuclear deal because he should have been smart enough with future visions of this happening so shame on him.
See how stupid this all sounds?
Regardless, our PM sure was hinting in a press conference that he thinks that America shares some blame. Never outright said it. I guess the reporters asking those questions must be stupid too.
I only defend what should be obvious. You have a whole slew of reporters that can't stand Trump. You think for a second that if they can make some sort of connection in the slightest to blame him for something they won't?
That's not smart that's brilliantly biased.0 -
This is a plane that originally departed from the Tehran airport. It's 100% Iran's responsibility. Trump has done plenty wrong, but it's not a zero sum game.0
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You are correct! Point taken ..HughFreakingDillon said:of course the plane wouldn't have been shot down had Trump not been the initial aggressor. I think we can all agree on that. However, it seems NO ONE wants to hold the iranian military responsible for pulling the trigger. Which I find quite odd. Is it because everyone is just so interested in blaming trump for everything? there's plenty of blame to go around. it's not all on him.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Go back to my first comment. You will notice that I said he was partly responsible. So don't say NO ONE.HughFreakingDillon said:of course the plane wouldn't have been shot down had Trump not been the initial aggressor. I think we can all agree on that. However, it seems NO ONE wants to hold the iranian military responsible for pulling the trigger. Which I find quite odd. Is it because everyone is just so interested in blaming trump for everything? there's plenty of blame to go around. it's not all on him.
It's obvious Iran shares the blame. That doesn't give the instigator a pass.
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Read the thread.
https://twitter.com/sethabramson/status/1215337524064915456?s=12
Thanks Hannity, playing your part.0 -
Iran "shares" the blame if they shot down a passenger plane that left their airport and was over their country? I'd say they get 99% at least.dignin said:
Go back to my first comment. You will notice that I said he was partly responsible. So don't say NO ONE.HughFreakingDillon said:of course the plane wouldn't have been shot down had Trump not been the initial aggressor. I think we can all agree on that. However, it seems NO ONE wants to hold the iranian military responsible for pulling the trigger. Which I find quite odd. Is it because everyone is just so interested in blaming trump for everything? there's plenty of blame to go around. it's not all on him.
It's obvious Iran shares the blame. That doesn't give the instigator a pass.
Not to excuse the idiot president that created the tension for the idiot and dangerous stuff he has done.hippiemom = goodness0 -
oh FFS, fine. ALMOST NO ONE.dignin said:
Go back to my first comment. You will notice that I said he was partly responsible. So don't say NO ONE.HughFreakingDillon said:of course the plane wouldn't have been shot down had Trump not been the initial aggressor. I think we can all agree on that. However, it seems NO ONE wants to hold the iranian military responsible for pulling the trigger. Which I find quite odd. Is it because everyone is just so interested in blaming trump for everything? there's plenty of blame to go around. it's not all on him.
It's obvious Iran shares the blame. That doesn't give the instigator a pass.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Says the guy that still thinks Trump did nothing wrong withholding aid from Ukraine for political gain. If we want to bring up brilliantly biased.tempo_n_groove said:
If it was common sense then most people would have it but people blindly blame Trump for literally everything.dignin said:
Use common sense, his actions are way more direct than that. As always, bending over backwards to defend him.tempo_n_groove said:tbergs said:
Right? I completely agree. Trump should have never been allowed to be a president.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
2 peas in a pod...dignin said:
I agree, Trump shouldn't be in charge of anything.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
I agree with you but sorry, Trump shouldn't be blamed.
Obama should be blamed then for the Iran nuclear deal because he should have been smart enough with future visions of this happening so shame on him.
See how stupid this all sounds?
Regardless, our PM sure was hinting in a press conference that he thinks that America shares some blame. Never outright said it. I guess the reporters asking those questions must be stupid too.
I only defend what should be obvious. You have a whole slew of reporters that can't stand Trump. You think for a second that if they can make some sort of connection in the slightest to blame him for something they won't?
That's not smart that's brilliantly biased.0 -
The Iranian govt. watches Fox news and more importantly Sean Hannity for military info? God help us all...dignin said:Read the thread.
https://twitter.com/sethabramson/status/1215337524064915456?s=12
Thanks Hannity, playing your part.
Hannity is an idiot too.0 -
Yeah I was having a tberg moment loltbergs said:
Good thing you removed those analogies. You would have suffered the same fate as I did yesterday with constant criticism. I'd still blame the brewery thoughmcgruff10 said:
Trump should definitely not be blamed if the story is true. Iran is solely responsible. Just like the shooter is to blamtempo_n_groove said:tbergs said:
Right? I completely agree. Trump should have never been allowed to be a president.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?tempo_n_groove said:
No, stop blaming Trump for everything, dear lord.dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.
I said this and it completely escaped you but Hugh made mention of it.
Why it doesn't make sense though is in this day and age all planes and their whereabouts in airspace is documented.
In other words there is radar and flight lines that are travel patterns for commercial planes so this doesn't happen.
Iran is inept if this is true.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
2 peas in a pod...dignin said:
I agree, Trump shouldn't be in charge of anything.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?tempo_n_groove said:dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of
Iran is inept if this is true.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
I agree with you but sorry, Trump shouldn't be blamed.
Obama should be blamed then for the Iran nuclear deal because he should have been smart enough with future visions of this happening so shame on him.
See how stupid this all sounds?
forget the analogies, I m big on putting blame on the person who does the action. No way trump shares the blame on this one.
I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
I edited it. Nothing to see here.dignin said:
The bartender serving the drinks has been held responsible in court many times. See how this works?mcgruff10 said:
Trump should definitely not be blamed if the story is true. Iran is solely responsible. Just like the shooter is to blamtempo_n_groove said:tbergs said:
Right? I completely agree. Trump should have never been allowed to be a president.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?tempo_n_groove said:
No, stop blaming Trump for everything, dear lord.dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.
I said this and it completely escaped you but Hugh made mention of it.
Why it doesn't make sense though is in this day and age all planes and their whereabouts in airspace is documented.
In other words there is radar and flight lines that are travel patterns for commercial planes so this doesn't happen.
Iran is inept if this is true.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
2 peas in a pod...dignin said:
I agree, Trump shouldn't be in charge of anything.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?tempo_n_groove said:dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of
Iran is inept if this is true.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
I agree with you but sorry, Trump shouldn't be blamed.
Obama should be blamed then for the Iran nuclear deal because he should have been smart enough with future visions of this happening so shame on him.
See how stupid this all sounds? I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Sure, if you willfully ignore all the events that led up to and surrounded the tragedy. I'm sure historians will look at it that way, why would anyone be interested in context?pjl44 said:This is a plane that originally departed from the Tehran airport. It's 100% Iran's responsibility. Trump has done plenty wrong, but it's not a zero sum game.0
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