Here we go again. Mesa shootings.

badbrains

rr165892 said:

So for all the police brutality folks out there.Here is what you have been asking for.This piece of human waste got tazed and arrested.Im so glad he was spared after killing and shooting 6 people.

Well, he was white

rr165892

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

So for all the police brutality folks out there.Here is what you have been asking for.This piece of human waste got tazed and arrested.Im so glad he was spared after killing and shooting 6 people.

Would you rather cops just kill people or should everyone get their day in trial? "Spared" is not accurate IMO, what is "spared" about someone no longer having the capacity to suffer?

No,but when we know who it is(Boston bomber,movie theatre shooter,etc)and without a doubt what they did that's when going all medeval on their ass is exceptable.

badbrains said:

rr165892 said:

So for all the police brutality folks out there.Here is what you have been asking for.This piece of human waste got tazed and arrested.Im so glad he was spared after killing and shooting 6 people.

Well, he was white

So what.
How could you tell with all the classy face ink?

gimmesometruth27

white guy with a gun= taken alive.

unarmed black teenager= killed in the streets.

got it.

maybe we should just arm everyone??

gimmesometruth27

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

@gimmesometruth27 (I messed up the quotes)

With the guys record and disregard for the law, are you saying a ban on firearms would have deterred him? I don't know all the facts yet but there's a good chance he didn't and couldn't have purchased the gun legally. Out here I would bet money that crystal meth had a lot to do with it. That shit is illegal. Bad people find a way to do bad things.

Edit - if I got your meaning wrong I apologize. The language led me to believe that is your position.

not what i said at all. just rehashing the normal good vs evil bullshit we talk about on here all the time.

brianlux

gimmesometruth27 said:

white guy with a gun= taken alive.

unarmed black teenager= killed in the streets.

got it.

maybe we should just arm everyone??

I don't have the figures, but no doubt statistics would show this to be more the norm than not.

hedonist

Yet again, I want to look to the fucking cookie!

Maybe the actions taken (or not taken) are specific to the situation, maybe the location, maybe other factors aside from the old black and white routine.

gimmesometruth27

hedonist said:

Yet again, I want to look to the fucking cookie!

Maybe the actions taken (or not taken) are specific to the situation, maybe the location, maybe other factors aside from the old black and white routine.

it is not the old routine. it is the reality in which we live.

gimmesometruth27

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/police-shootings-ferguson-race-data

hedonist

But a couple posts up, you referred to it as "good vs evil". Is that the same as "black and white"?

Do you - or anyone - really believe that the Mesa police made a conscious choice to taser him because he's WHITE? That they didn't use any semblance of training, safety methods or common sense?

jeffbr

hedonist said:

Yet again, I want to look to the fucking cookie!

Maybe the actions taken (or not taken) are specific to the situation, maybe the location, maybe other factors aside from the old black and white routine.

Exactly. I want to hear more about how the arrest went down. Did he comply or resist? Did the officers feel threatened? Did he struggle with them or attempt to go for their sidearms?

Other than Tamir Rice, most of the stories on this board of blacks getting shot by cops seem to involve some sort of douchebaggery on the part of the guy getting shot. I know some on this board like to make everything a strictly racial issue, dismissing other critical factors.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

hedonist said:

Yet again, I want to look to the fucking cookie!

Maybe the actions taken (or not taken) are specific to the situation, maybe the location, maybe other factors aside from the old black and white routine.

I'm growing a little weary of the same, predictable response as well, Hedo.

If those stats were true... what would they be saying? Are they speaking more to the nature of the demographic? Are they speaking to a police mentality? Are they speaking to socioeconomic conditions leaving some feeling hopeless, desperate and/or angry? Is it a combination of these and more to varying degrees?

And Hugh brought up a great point that, of course, has been lost on some: if I work at a job- say a cop- and consistently get called to deal with, say, purple people... I am, as a human being, likely to develop a disposition that does not favor purple people.

Looking from the outside, it's easy and correct to say, "Hey. Don't be that way!" But as empathetic as we might be for a person resorting to crime or a certain way of life... I find it ironic we don't afford a cop the same degree of understanding when wondering why they might have developed a disposition the way they have in the line of duty.

WhatYouTaughtMe

gimmesometruth27 said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

@gimmesometruth27 (I messed up the quotes)

With the guys record and disregard for the law, are you saying a ban on firearms would have deterred him? I don't know all the facts yet but there's a good chance he didn't and couldn't have purchased the gun legally. Out here I would bet money that crystal meth had a lot to do with it. That shit is illegal. Bad people find a way to do bad things.

Edit - if I got your meaning wrong I apologize. The language led me to believe that is your position.

not what i said at all. just rehashing the normal good vs evil bullshit we talk about on here all the time.

Gotcha.

callen

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hedonist said:

Yet again, I want to look to the fucking cookie!

Maybe the actions taken (or not taken) are specific to the situation, maybe the location, maybe other factors aside from the old black and white routine.

I'm growing a little weary of the same, predictable response as well, Hedo.

If those stats were true... what would they be saying? Are they speaking more to the nature of the demographic? Are they speaking to a police mentality? Are they speaking to socioeconomic conditions leaving some feeling hopeless, desperate and/or angry? Is it a combination of these and more to varying degrees?

And Hugh brought up a great point that, of course, has been lost on some: if I work at a job- say a cop- and consistently get called to deal with, say, purple people... I am, as a human being, likely to develop a disposition that does not favor purple people.

Looking from the outside, it's easy and correct to say, "Hey. Don't be that way!" But as empathetic as we might be for a person resorting to crime or a certain way of life... I find it ironic we don't afford a cop the same degree of understanding when wondering why they might have developed a disposition the way they have in the line of duty.

If a cop works in area with just purple people they should realize most of those purple people are good. And it's not a skin color thing it's an economic one.

There seems to be a bit of white backlash in these threads.

If you are white you have no idea what it's like to be black or deal with cops if black. No you don't.

So get off your high horses about being better or smarter when dealing with police. Or how everyone should be good like whites. Your not freakin special. You were born lucky mother fuckers.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

callen said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hedonist said:

Yet again, I want to look to the fucking cookie!

Maybe the actions taken (or not taken) are specific to the situation, maybe the location, maybe other factors aside from the old black and white routine.

I'm growing a little weary of the same, predictable response as well, Hedo.

If those stats were true... what would they be saying? Are they speaking more to the nature of the demographic? Are they speaking to a police mentality? Are they speaking to socioeconomic conditions leaving some feeling hopeless, desperate and/or angry? Is it a combination of these and more to varying degrees?

And Hugh brought up a great point that, of course, has been lost on some: if I work at a job- say a cop- and consistently get called to deal with, say, purple people... I am, as a human being, likely to develop a disposition that does not favor purple people.

Looking from the outside, it's easy and correct to say, "Hey. Don't be that way!" But as empathetic as we might be for a person resorting to crime or a certain way of life... I find it ironic we don't afford a cop the same degree of understanding when wondering why they might have developed a disposition the way they have in the line of duty.

If a cop works in area with just purple people they should realize most of those purple people are good. And it's not a skin color thing it's an economic one.

There seems to be a bit of white backlash in these threads.

If you are white you have no idea what it's like to be black or deal with cops if black. No you don't.

So get off your high horses about being better or smarter when dealing with police. Or how everyone should be good like whites. Your not freakin special. You were born lucky mother fuckers.

Wow.

Okay. You're right: cops suck. Whites are pompous, spoiled and they suck too. And blacks that disrespect cops should be given more latitude to disrespect cops- they can't help themselves.

Is this the general idea I should understand?

hedonist

callen said:

If a cop works in area with just purple people they should realize most of those purple people are good. And it's not a skin color thing it's an economic one.

There seems to be a bit of white backlash in these threads.

If you are white you have no idea what it's like to be black or deal with cops if black. No you don't.

So get off your high horses about being better or smarter when dealing with police. Or how everyone should be good like whites. Your not freakin special. You were born lucky mother fuckers.

It's not about being superior or more intelligent or fucking equines - it's about common sense.

As to "good like whites"? Don't even know what that means - and if you think the majority of comments (ie, commenters) support that shit, you're way off. WAY off.

callen

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

callen said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hedonist said:

Yet again, I want to look to the fucking cookie!

Maybe the actions taken (or not taken) are specific to the situation, maybe the location, maybe other factors aside from the old black and white routine.

I'm growing a little weary of the same, predictable response as well, Hedo.

If those stats were true... what would they be saying? Are they speaking more to the nature of the demographic? Are they speaking to a police mentality? Are they speaking to socioeconomic conditions leaving some feeling hopeless, desperate and/or angry? Is it a combination of these and more to varying degrees?

And Hugh brought up a great point that, of course, has been lost on some: if I work at a job- say a cop- and consistently get called to deal with, say, purple people... I am, as a human being, likely to develop a disposition that does not favor purple people.

Looking from the outside, it's easy and correct to say, "Hey. Don't be that way!" But as empathetic as we might be for a person resorting to crime or a certain way of life... I find it ironic we don't afford a cop the same degree of understanding when wondering why they might have developed a disposition the way they have in the line of duty.

If a cop works in area with just purple people they should realize most of those purple people are good. And it's not a skin color thing it's an economic one.

There seems to be a bit of white backlash in these threads.

If you are white you have no idea what it's like to be black or deal with cops if black. No you don't.

So get off your high horses about being better or smarter when dealing with police. Or how everyone should be good like whites. Your not freakin special. You were born lucky mother fuckers.

Wow.

Okay. You're right: cops suck. Whites are pompous, spoiled and they suck too. And blacks that disrespect cops should be given more latitude to disrespect cops- they can't help themselves.

Is this the general idea I should understand?

Said none of those things but the haves have not a fucking clue!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

callen said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

callen said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hedonist said:

Yet again, I want to look to the fucking cookie!

Maybe the actions taken (or not taken) are specific to the situation, maybe the location, maybe other factors aside from the old black and white routine.

I'm growing a little weary of the same, predictable response as well, Hedo.

If those stats were true... what would they be saying? Are they speaking more to the nature of the demographic? Are they speaking to a police mentality? Are they speaking to socioeconomic conditions leaving some feeling hopeless, desperate and/or angry? Is it a combination of these and more to varying degrees?

And Hugh brought up a great point that, of course, has been lost on some: if I work at a job- say a cop- and consistently get called to deal with, say, purple people... I am, as a human being, likely to develop a disposition that does not favor purple people.

Looking from the outside, it's easy and correct to say, "Hey. Don't be that way!" But as empathetic as we might be for a person resorting to crime or a certain way of life... I find it ironic we don't afford a cop the same degree of understanding when wondering why they might have developed a disposition the way they have in the line of duty.

If a cop works in area with just purple people they should realize most of those purple people are good. And it's not a skin color thing it's an economic one.

There seems to be a bit of white backlash in these threads.

If you are white you have no idea what it's like to be black or deal with cops if black. No you don't.

So get off your high horses about being better or smarter when dealing with police. Or how everyone should be good like whites. Your not freakin special. You were born lucky mother fuckers.

Wow.

Okay. You're right: cops suck. Whites are pompous, spoiled and they suck too. And blacks that disrespect cops should be given more latitude to disrespect cops- they can't help themselves.

Is this the general idea I should understand?

Said none of those things but the haves have not a fucking clue!

Then what are you saying? Do you even know?

callen

Agree how this shithead was handled was not related to black or white but how that evolved to blacks are inherently bad humans is sad.

Again whites have not a fucking clue and if you think for a second your better due to your skin color........

callen

jeffbr said:

hedonist said:

Yet again, I want to look to the fucking cookie!

Maybe the actions taken (or not taken) are specific to the situation, maybe the location, maybe other factors aside from the old black and white routine.

Exactly. I want to hear more about how the arrest went down. Did he comply or resist? Did the officers feel threatened? Did he struggle with them or attempt to go for their sidearms?

Other than Tamir Rice, most of the stories on this board of blacks getting shot by cops seem to involve some sort of douchebaggery on the part of the guy getting shot. I know some on this board like to make everything a strictly racial issue, dismissing other critical factors.

Only one that has been discussed involved douchbaggery that may of given cop reasonable reason to shoot,Ferguson.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

callen said:

Agree how this shithead was handled was not related to black or white but how that evolved to blacks are inherently bad humans is sad.

Again whites have not a fucking clue and if you think for a second your better due to your skin color........

Who said blacks are inherently bad?

And it's time for you to come off your high horse. The majority of the people on this forum fully recognize the racial issue that exists.