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WhatYouTaughtMeWhatYouTaughtMe Posts: 4,957
edited March 2015 in A Moving Train
Six people shot, one fatally in Mesa. Gunman caught. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0ME2AE20150318?irpc=932
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Damn.

    The numbers have gone up since I first read of this.

    Just breaks my heart. You're going about your day, minding your own damn business...and then it's all over. Someone just chooses it to be all over for you.
  • WhatYouTaughtMeWhatYouTaughtMe Posts: 4,957
    hedonist said:

    Damn.

    The numbers have gone up since I first read of this.

    Just breaks my heart. You're going about your day, minding your own damn business...and then it's all over. Someone just chooses it to be all over for you.

    Suspect's identity not confirmed. They have a name but are working on confirming. Hopefully his picture will be out soon and they can find this guy.
  • WhatYouTaughtMeWhatYouTaughtMe Posts: 4,957
    Looks like he has been caught.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    I've yet to see this story on CNN or Fox
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,541
    Last-12-Exit said:

    I've yet to see this story on CNN or Fox

    It's only one dead that's not enough to even be on the radar you need at least six dead to make any waves this is like just another day at the office here in AMERICA ...
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    responsible gun owner, up until today of course, strikes again.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Apparently previously released from prison for aggravated assault...how was he considered responsible, even without the gun?
  • WhatYouTaughtMeWhatYouTaughtMe Posts: 4,957
    josevolution said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    I've yet to see this story on CNN or Fox

    It's only one dead that's not enough to even be on the radar you need at least six dead to make any waves this is like just another day at the office here in AMERICA ...
    I wouldn't have heard if I didn't get campus alerts on my phone.
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    edited March 2015
    So for all the police brutality folks out there.Here is what you have been asking for.This piece of human waste got tazed and arrested.Im so glad he was spared after killing and shooting 6 people.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    rr165892 said:

    So for all the police brutality folks out there.Here is what you have been asking for.This piece of human waste got tazed and arrested.Im so glad he was spared after killing and shooting 6 people.

    RR your on a roll.

    Totally irrelevant.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    rr165892 said:

    So for all the police brutality folks out there.Here is what you have been asking for.This piece of human waste got tazed and arrested.Im so glad he was spared after killing and shooting 6 people.

    Would you rather cops just kill people or should everyone get their day in trial? "Spared" is not accurate IMO, what is "spared" about someone no longer having the capacity to suffer?
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  • WhatYouTaughtMeWhatYouTaughtMe Posts: 4,957
    edited March 2015
    @gimmesometruth27 (I messed up the quotes)

    With the guys record and disregard for the law, are you saying a ban on firearms would have deterred him? I don't know all the facts yet but there's a good chance he didn't and couldn't have purchased the gun legally. Out here I would bet money that crystal meth had a lot to do with it. That shit is illegal. Bad people find a way to do bad things.

    Edit - if I got your meaning wrong I apologize. The language led me to believe that is your position.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    So for all the police brutality folks out there.Here is what you have been asking for.This piece of human waste got tazed and arrested.Im so glad he was spared after killing and shooting 6 people.

    Would you rather cops just kill people or should everyone get their day in trial? "Spared" is not accurate IMO, what is "spared" about someone no longer having the capacity to suffer?
    He was spared his life... which he doesn't deserve.

    The term fits.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    So for all the police brutality folks out there.Here is what you have been asking for.This piece of human waste got tazed and arrested.Im so glad he was spared after killing and shooting 6 people.

    Would you rather cops just kill people or should everyone get their day in trial? "Spared" is not accurate IMO, what is "spared" about someone no longer having the capacity to suffer?
    He was spared his life... which he doesn't deserve.

    The term fits.
    Suicide attempt rates for lifers are pretty high. Life is a gift to folks like us, it is a curse to those who know true suffering. I say a quick death and being spared a life of pain is what he doesn't deserve. Killing this guy out of hand may just be granting a wish he will try to fulfill himself...not to mention the sick landslide we place ourselves on by giving police execution authority.
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  • WhatYouTaughtMeWhatYouTaughtMe Posts: 4,957
    rgambs said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    So for all the police brutality folks out there.Here is what you have been asking for.This piece of human waste got tazed and arrested.Im so glad he was spared after killing and shooting 6 people.

    Would you rather cops just kill people or should everyone get their day in trial? "Spared" is not accurate IMO, what is "spared" about someone no longer having the capacity to suffer?
    He was spared his life... which he doesn't deserve.

    The term fits.
    Suicide attempt rates for lifers are pretty high. Life is a gift to folks like us, it is a curse to those who know true suffering. I say a quick death and being spared a life of pain is what he doesn't deserve. Killing this guy out of hand may just be granting a wish he will try to fulfill himself...not to mention the sick landslide we place ourselves on by giving police execution authority.
    Yeah there's also the rare occasion of officers making a mistake and arresting the wrong person. Could you imagine if it wasn't the right guy and they just shot him?
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    This from the linked article:

    "Anti-hate group the Southern Poverty Law Center, citing a retired Mesa police detective, identified Giroux, 41, as a member of skinhead and white supremacist groups who had served prison time for burglary and marijuana possession and attempted aggravated assault."

    Just yesterday I was reading my copy of "Intelligence Report" published by Southern Poverty Law Center. Each year an issue of this periodical gives the names and locations and basic break down of all the hate groups in the United States. There are 784 active hate groups in the U.S. which include the following known, established organizations.:

    Klu Klux Klan: 72
    Neo Nazi: 142
    White Nationalist: 115
    Racist Skinhead: 119
    Black Separatist: 113
    Neo Confederate: 37
    Christian Identity (racist and anti-Semitic): 21
    General hate 165

    Plus 874 extreme anti-government groups which include 202 militias

    That's a lot of hate.

    But the good news is the total number of hate groups (784) is down from last years tally of 939.

    At the risk of sounding proselytizing, I often encourage folks to support the Southern Poverty Law Center- they are a big reason those numbers are down.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    brianlux said:

    This from the linked article:

    "Anti-hate group the Southern Poverty Law Center, citing a retired Mesa police detective, identified Giroux, 41, as a member of skinhead and white supremacist groups who had served prison time for burglary and marijuana possession and attempted aggravated assault."

    Just yesterday I was reading my copy of "Intelligence Report" published by Southern Poverty Law Center. Each year an issue of this periodical gives the names and locations and basic break down of all the hate groups in the United States. There are 784 active hate groups in the U.S. which include the following known, established organizations.:

    Klu Klux Klan: 72
    Neo Nazi: 142
    White Nationalist: 115
    Racist Skinhead: 119
    Black Separatist: 113
    Neo Confederate: 37
    Christian Identity (racist and anti-Semitic): 21
    General hate 165

    Plus 874 extreme anti-government groups which include 202 militias

    That's a lot of hate.

    But the good news is the total number of hate groups (784) is down from last years tally of 939.

    At the risk of sounding proselytizing, I often encourage folks to support the Southern Poverty Law Center- they are a big reason those numbers are down.

    Interesting groupings. Just how does one differentiate White Nationalist from Racist Skinhead? And I wonder who the "general haters" hate? Maybe just hate everyone on general principle.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    oftenreading said:

    brianlux said:

    This from the linked article:

    "Anti-hate group the Southern Poverty Law Center, citing a retired Mesa police detective, identified Giroux, 41, as a member of skinhead and white supremacist groups who had served prison time for burglary and marijuana possession and attempted aggravated assault."

    Just yesterday I was reading my copy of "Intelligence Report" published by Southern Poverty Law Center. Each year an issue of this periodical gives the names and locations and basic break down of all the hate groups in the United States. There are 784 active hate groups in the U.S. which include the following known, established organizations.:

    Klu Klux Klan: 72
    Neo Nazi: 142
    White Nationalist: 115
    Racist Skinhead: 119
    Black Separatist: 113
    Neo Confederate: 37
    Christian Identity (racist and anti-Semitic): 21
    General hate 165

    Plus 874 extreme anti-government groups which include 202 militias

    That's a lot of hate.

    But the good news is the total number of hate groups (784) is down from last years tally of 939.

    At the risk of sounding proselytizing, I often encourage folks to support the Southern Poverty Law Center- they are a big reason those numbers are down.

    Interesting groupings. Just how does one differentiate White Nationalist from Racist Skinhead? And I wonder who the "general haters" hate? Maybe just hate everyone on general principle.
    The 'General Haters'.

    I can think of a couple high ranking officers right here on these forums lol!
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  • WhatYouTaughtMeWhatYouTaughtMe Posts: 4,957
    edited March 2015
    brianlux said:

    This from the linked article:

    "Anti-hate group the Southern Poverty Law Center, citing a retired Mesa police detective, identified Giroux, 41, as a member of skinhead and white supremacist groups who had served prison time for burglary and marijuana possession and attempted aggravated assault."

    Just yesterday I was reading my copy of "Intelligence Report" published by Southern Poverty Law Center. Each year an issue of this periodical gives the names and locations and basic break down of all the hate groups in the United States. There are 784 active hate groups in the U.S. which include the following known, established organizations.:

    Klu Klux Klan: 72
    Neo Nazi: 142
    White Nationalist: 115
    Racist Skinhead: 119
    Black Separatist: 113
    Neo Confederate: 37
    Christian Identity (racist and anti-Semitic): 21
    General hate 165

    Plus 874 extreme anti-government groups which include 202 militias

    That's a lot of hate.

    But the good news is the total number of hate groups (784) is down from last years tally of 939.

    At the risk of sounding proselytizing, I often encourage folks to support the Southern Poverty Law Center- they are a big reason those numbers are down.

    They do some awesome work there. Thanks for the info. I'd be interested to know if he was active in that group prior to, or if he joined up for protection in prison. Both are stupid but I am a curious guy.
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Agree SPLC does some exceptional work.Its mind blowing how people could go thru life with such disdain,contempt and hatred for other human beings.

    What about the number of people who Hate-Hate?lol
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    rr165892 said:

    So for all the police brutality folks out there.Here is what you have been asking for.This piece of human waste got tazed and arrested.Im so glad he was spared after killing and shooting 6 people.

    Well, he was white
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    So for all the police brutality folks out there.Here is what you have been asking for.This piece of human waste got tazed and arrested.Im so glad he was spared after killing and shooting 6 people.

    Would you rather cops just kill people or should everyone get their day in trial? "Spared" is not accurate IMO, what is "spared" about someone no longer having the capacity to suffer?
    No,but when we know who it is(Boston bomber,movie theatre shooter,etc)and without a doubt what they did that's when going all medeval on their ass is exceptable.
    badbrains said:

    rr165892 said:

    So for all the police brutality folks out there.Here is what you have been asking for.This piece of human waste got tazed and arrested.Im so glad he was spared after killing and shooting 6 people.

    Well, he was white
    So what.
    How could you tell with all the classy face ink?
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    white guy with a gun= taken alive.

    unarmed black teenager= killed in the streets.

    got it.

    maybe we should just arm everyone??
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    WhatYouTaughtMe said:

    @gimmesometruth27 (I messed up the quotes)

    With the guys record and disregard for the law, are you saying a ban on firearms would have deterred him? I don't know all the facts yet but there's a good chance he didn't and couldn't have purchased the gun legally. Out here I would bet money that crystal meth had a lot to do with it. That shit is illegal. Bad people find a way to do bad things.

    Edit - if I got your meaning wrong I apologize. The language led me to believe that is your position.

    not what i said at all. just rehashing the normal good vs evil bullshit we talk about on here all the time.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    white guy with a gun= taken alive.

    unarmed black teenager= killed in the streets.

    got it.

    maybe we should just arm everyone??

    I don't have the figures, but no doubt statistics would show this to be more the norm than not.

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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Yet again, I want to look to the fucking cookie!

    Maybe the actions taken (or not taken) are specific to the situation, maybe the location, maybe other factors aside from the old black and white routine.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    hedonist said:

    Yet again, I want to look to the fucking cookie!

    Maybe the actions taken (or not taken) are specific to the situation, maybe the location, maybe other factors aside from the old black and white routine.

    it is not the old routine. it is the reality in which we live.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/police-shootings-ferguson-race-data
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    But a couple posts up, you referred to it as "good vs evil". Is that the same as "black and white"?

    Do you - or anyone - really believe that the Mesa police made a conscious choice to taser him because he's WHITE? That they didn't use any semblance of training, safety methods or common sense?
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    hedonist said:

    Yet again, I want to look to the fucking cookie!

    Maybe the actions taken (or not taken) are specific to the situation, maybe the location, maybe other factors aside from the old black and white routine.

    Exactly. I want to hear more about how the arrest went down. Did he comply or resist? Did the officers feel threatened? Did he struggle with them or attempt to go for their sidearms?

    Other than Tamir Rice, most of the stories on this board of blacks getting shot by cops seem to involve some sort of douchebaggery on the part of the guy getting shot. I know some on this board like to make everything a strictly racial issue, dismissing other critical factors.
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