Hartford Boot Sounds Like Crap
Raineman
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After seeing and hearing what I think was one of the best all around shows set, energy and sound-wise I cant help but be really let down by how this bootleg came out. The sound at the Dodge was phenomenal and the boot doesn't even come close to doing it justice. The '06 boot is HEAD AND SHOULDERS above it in terms of the mixing and after hearing the 'Roo boot I guess I had higher expectations. Just disappointed I guess. Let the flaming begin...
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"We're running out of beer, too?" EV 6/19/08
They don't take the crowd noise out, it's recorded off the soundboard so the crowd noise is minimal. I know I was going to order all the cd's of the shows I went to, but I'm not sure now after hearing several people complain about the quality.
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9/21,22/2009, 10/4/2009
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8/8, 8/10, 8/18, 8/20 2018, 5/12, 5/13, 9/20 2022
Yes but alot of bands mic the audience. A couple up front, a couple by the board.
"We're running out of beer, too?" EV 6/19/08
if the band ever allowed open taping w/rigs etc you'd get shows that sound great AND have the audience stuff too.
I am sorry but you state here about mixing the VIC boot. Are they releasing this show officially?
06/06/2003 - Las Vegas
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"Oh, I just want to scream HELLO! Oh, my God it's been too long, never dreamed you return, but now here you are and here I am..."
"What could be better than a beer with Eddie Vedder?"
The beauty of a soundboard recording is you actually get to hear the band sing. Watch some of the YouTube clips from MSG. You can't hear Ed at all -- and yes, that's a pretty accurate representation of what it was like to be in the audience, and it was mega cool to be a part of it.
But it isn't really what I want out of my CD experience.
for the least they could possibly do
Hartford 08
Hartford 10
Youre right, that was perhaps a little too strong. Nothing PJ should ever be deemed as crap, I guess I just had higher hopes from this particular one. I suppose it goes back to us being spoiled as fans, after seeing such an amazing show its still not enough for my ungrateful ass. :(
And as far as the audience stuff, I'm not so into that I guess. I like to hear them a little bit, but definitely don't want to hear them singing along when it's supposed to be just Eddie and the band without a crowd tag. I also really like how full the songs sound as opposed to all the past boots where they were splitting the guitars and it seemed more hollow sounding. This boot in particular puts Atlanta '94 to waste because it sounds that good and so does Eddie.
I am very happy about this boot and glad to hear pearl jam sound as awesome as they should!
I love when people call themselves "ungrateful" or "spoiled" for the band, ten club, tickets, boots, posters or whatever. Give me a break. You are a paying customer. It is your right to expect a product up to your standards. If it sounds like crap who is that guy to tell you that you aren't allowed to say that? Crap is crap. The pedestal people place the band on sometimes is sickening.
Well, I see what you are saying...to an extent. Yes, there are a few people around here that will worship anything that Pearl Jam places on the alter. To say that the band has NEVER put out a sub-par product is certainly stretching the truth.
However, a product doesn't have to be up to the "standards" of the buyer. The buyer makes a decision based on the description of the product, and hopefully, based on the quality of products the band has issued in the past. When purchasing a live recording, or any recording, chances are that not every listener is going to be happy with the mix. Myself, I tend to like the more audience sound in the mix. So while my "standards" aren't met, it's not as though I was promised that I would like the mix.
For instance, what if you pre-order the boot, and the band has an off night? Should they reimburse those people whose "standards" weren't met by the performance? I don't think so.
Not calling you out, I just think you were being a bit extreme in the other direction.
Peace,
D.
I suppose. But it depends on what your standards are.
If I go to McDonald's hoping my Big Mac will taste like a filet mignon, that's my problem, not Mickey D's.
I think the thing with boots is that different people like different mixes. Some people think the 2000 boots sound the best. I happen to think the 2003 ones blow them away.
You can't mix in a way that is acceptable to everyone, I guess.
for the least they could possibly do
i would have to agree with this statement......
compared to the others, the hartford boot sounds great!
Whatever works ... I think the term "crap" is too strong a descriptor for a PJ bootleg that was professionally mastered. One can complain about Mike being too low in the mix or the drum sound or whatever, and that's cool. People like different things. At the end of the day, its all opinion. Maybe Mike being too low IS enough to quality a recording as "crap", in someone's eyes. I don't see any pedestals in this thread, though. You want to hear someone bitching about PJ to make you feel better? Go read my posts about Ed opening all those first encores with No More.
I love it when people who have ZERO experience with mixing records get on an anonymous internet forum and act like they a professional audio technicians.
It doesn't take an audio professional to tell that something sounds crappy. Maybe for you...
The crowds in Milan 2000 and both Buenos Aires 2005s came out just fine.
There is mixing and then there is mastering.
The mastering on these boots sucks...the worst ever.
But the mixing only sucks on the first two shows.
So, to say that something "sounds crappy" is too broad. Hartford sounds good mix-wise, but it's still mastered like crap. If you can get over the lousy mastering, it's quite an enjoyable boot. (The same goes for most of the 08 boots.)
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