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hedonist

PJ_Soul said:

My mother surprised me yesterday with a MASSIVE FACE LIFT. I'd been wondering why she'd been avoiding me for the past 3 weeks - she didn't want me to see it or even know about it until it was healed enough for her to not look like her face got run over by a truck.
(she looks good though... I'm taken aback for sure, but they did a very good job, you can't tell it's a face lift... she just looks like she's 50 (she's 69). Still.... Wtf?!?!?!)

Whoa - my mom did this in her 60s too. I also didn't see her until after the fact (but she documented the "progress" via photos - enough to seal the deal that I will NEVER do this).

And, she looked absolutely beautiful - but to go through so much and have it last for maybe five years before nature and gravity kick back in? Doesn't seem worth it.

I'm cool with getting older. It's life lived, embraced...and fuck it if my face reflects it.

Hell, it SHOULD reflect it!

The Waiting Trophy Man

Poncier said:

The Waiting Trophy Man said:

Vertigo and tinnitus? What's going on?

Playing U2's "How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb" at too high a volume.

Well that would explain the tinnitus lol

PJ_Soul

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

PJ_Soul said:

My mother surprised me yesterday with a MASSIVE FACE LIFT. I'd been wondering why she'd been avoiding me for the past 3 weeks - she didn't want me to see it or even know about it until it was healed enough for her to not look like her face got run over by a truck.
(she looks good though... I'm taken aback for sure, but they did a very good job, you can't tell it's a face lift... she just looks like she's 50 (she's 69). Still.... Wtf?!?!?!)

Oh wow. That's a tough one to hide if you are used to seeing her frequently. Was she using all kinds of lame excuses to avoid you or what?

She kept "having plans already", lol. I don't care that she avoided me because she wanted to present the finished product (honestly, she wants to see me TOO often, lol, so I was thinking it was a nice change). What actually bugged me is that she didn't tell me before she did it, because actually it's not at all a safe procedure for a woman her age. This was a 5 hour surgery - $15,000 price tag!!!! It was a MAJOR job. She could have died on the table or something (and actually she was terrified going in for it), and I wouldn't have even known she was having something done. Just kind of weird, you know? But oh well. Her choice!

PJ_Soul

hedonist said:

PJ_Soul said:

My mother surprised me yesterday with a MASSIVE FACE LIFT. I'd been wondering why she'd been avoiding me for the past 3 weeks - she didn't want me to see it or even know about it until it was healed enough for her to not look like her face got run over by a truck.
(she looks good though... I'm taken aback for sure, but they did a very good job, you can't tell it's a face lift... she just looks like she's 50 (she's 69). Still.... Wtf?!?!?!)

Whoa - my mom did this in her 60s too. I also didn't see her until after the fact (but she documented the "progress" via photos - enough to seal the deal that I will NEVER do this).

And, she looked absolutely beautiful - but to go through so much and have it last for maybe five years before nature and gravity kick back in? Doesn't seem worth it.

I'm cool with getting older. It's life lived, embraced...and fuck it if my face reflects it.

Hell, it SHOULD reflect it!

I really don't know for sure how I'll feel once my jowls start drooping and my neck is sagging and my fucking eyelids are sagging over my eyes and I've got giant bags under them, and all that shit, but I can't imagine I'll enjoy looking at that in the mirror. I don't even think it's fair - I consider the horror of physically aging yet more proof against God. No loving God would do this to us!! So I doubt I'll be okay with or proud about seeing this old droopy, wrinkly woman staring back at me when I feel no more than maybe 28 on the inside, lol!! That is just too incongruent to me! However, I doubt I'd take such drastic steps to deal with it as this either... not to mention that I can't see myself ever feeling like I can afford $15,000 for a face lift!!! So I'll just have to suffer with the horrible facial effects of getting old just like just about everyone else. But my mom just didn't want to, and she chose this over a new car (and there is no expectation that it will all just fall apart in 5 years btw... yes, she'll keep aging, but now she will always look younger than she is). So I'm not feeling judgmental about her decision... just taken-aback!

SD48277

I want one of those Lego Oscars.

hedonist

But the thing is (depending on outlook, I guess)...it's not horrible. Why is FEELING a certain age trumped by physically aging? People I've seen - mostly women - trying to combat nature end up looking more unnatural.

I don't know...I look in the mirror and sure, it'd be nice to see the face of the young woman I was in my 20s. But I'm not that woman anymore, thank god.

I'm THIS woman.

Sure, keep myself in shape, take care of my skin, etc...but I AM older. I embrace it, I'm thankful to have lived in full so that my face shows the lines of smiles and sorrow, of living. It's life...and I've learned a shitload in the process - still am.

PJfanwillneverleave1

hedonist said:

People I've seen - mostly women - trying to combat nature end up looking more unnatural.

What do you mean?

hedonist

My eyes!!!

The fuck possesses someone to do that to themselves? And for what?

The concept of beauty has become so skewed.

Empty Glass

SD48277 said:

I want one of those Lego Oscars.

http://www.spareblocks.com/buy_yellow_lego_bricks.html

Wobbie

Julie Andrews looked amazing at the Oscars last night. How old is she?

mickeyrat

my monday kinda blows. Not only is it cold, I found out today that the account I used to work , does not want me back. So , on the road again I go when my current one finally is done.

Oh yeah, reporting to the truck in the AM at 0400 or so when its expected to be -5 or so actual plus WC?

PJ_Soul

hedonist said:

But the thing is (depending on outlook, I guess)...it's not horrible. Why is FEELING a certain age trumped by physically aging? People I've seen - mostly women - trying to combat nature end up looking more unnatural.

I don't know...I look in the mirror and sure, it'd be nice to see the face of the young woman I was in my 20s. But I'm not that woman anymore, thank god.

I'm THIS woman.

Sure, keep myself in shape, take care of my skin, etc...but I AM older. I embrace it, I'm thankful to have lived in full so that my face shows the lines of smiles and sorrow, of living. It's life...and I've learned a shitload in the process - still am.

But you're not old yet, are you?? We're talking 70 years old here. You may feel differently when you have giant flaps of skin hanging off your neck, and you can see your eyelids when you're just looking straight ahead, no? Maybe not, and maybe I won't either, but I can definitely understand why that would suck, and think it WILL suck.
I didn't say that feeling a certain age is trumped by looking old - I just said that the appearance and the feeling are incongruent. And when you get older, things being incongruent can feel a lot worse that they do now, when we're still young (by all reports from old people, that is). I agree doing anything that makes you look unnatural is lame... because it looks bad. But doing something doesn't automatically = looking unnatural. Those are the botch jobs! Anyway, I don't really find the ravages of old age anything other than a shitty, raw deal in life. I see nothing awesome about the physical aging process. It fucking BLOWS.

SD48277

Empty Glass said:

SD48277 said:

I want one of those Lego Oscars.

http://www.spareblocks.com/buy_yellow_lego_bricks.html

I want one already assembled.

PJ_Soul

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

hedonist said:

People I've seen - mostly women - trying to combat nature end up looking more unnatural.

What do you mean?

Botch job.
See, now that my mom did it, I'm getting all defensive, lol! ..... That is a botch job, obviously. So are all of the ones that look horrible. My mother looks beautiful. She still has some natural lines and stuff, not tight at all... she simply looks very naturally younger than she really is (and she looked young for her age before she did this.... which is, of course, another reason I was surprised she did it). She is 69. Pre-op she probably looked 62. Post-op she looks more like 52. And you'd never know she had work done.... quite right for $15,000 fucking dollars.

I should mentioned, though, that my sister is fake looking (man, do I ever have some vain fucking family members, wtf, lol). She's only 42, but has had a nose job, she gets botox, and has veneers, and she looks fucking plastic (but doesn't realize it I guess, and didn't need any of it - she was beautiful before). There is a right and a wrong way I guess, lol.

hedonist

imalive said:

Julie Andrews looked amazing at the Oscars last night. How old is she?

She's 79. Looking at a recent photo of her, I see lines around her eyes and mouth (and it seems she's kept in fine shape over the years)...guessing no "work" done on her.

She's like Helen Mirren, Sophia Loren. Sweet genes.

Somewhere around here, I have Mary Poppins on vinyl!

hedonist

PJ_Soul said:

hedonist said:

But the thing is (depending on outlook, I guess)...it's not horrible. Why is FEELING a certain age trumped by physically aging? People I've seen - mostly women - trying to combat nature end up looking more unnatural.

I don't know...I look in the mirror and sure, it'd be nice to see the face of the young woman I was in my 20s. But I'm not that woman anymore, thank god.

I'm THIS woman.

Sure, keep myself in shape, take care of my skin, etc...but I AM older. I embrace it, I'm thankful to have lived in full so that my face shows the lines of smiles and sorrow, of living. It's life...and I've learned a shitload in the process - still am.

But you're not old yet, are you?? We're talking 70 years old here. You may feel differently when you have giant flaps of skin hanging off your neck, and you can see your eyelids when you're just looking straight ahead, no? Maybe not, and maybe I won't either, but I can definitely understand why that would suck, and think it WILL suck.
I didn't say that feeling a certain age is trumped by looking old - I just said that the appearance and the feeling are incongruent. And when you get older, things being incongruent can feel a lot worse that they do now, when we're still young (by all reports from old people, that is). I agree doing anything that makes you look unnatural is lame... because it looks bad. But doing something doesn't automatically = looking unnatural. Those are the botch jobs! Anyway, I don't really find the ravages of old age anything other than a shitty, raw deal in life. I see nothing awesome about the physical aging process. It fucking BLOWS.

Nope, I've got awhile till I hit 70

And you're right - procedures aren't necessarily tantamount to that weird face thing. But man, to take such a risk, grabbing at a facade? And for how long?

I'm all for people doing what they feel is best for them; I may not get it, I may say "never me!" but I do understand the propellant.

(as to getting old...to be honest, with all the pains and shit the last few years, I'd rather deal with the aesthetic side of aging vs the actual physical) *edit - reverse my vs.

PS to mickey, good thoughts to you.

PJ_Soul

hedonist said:

imalive said:

Julie Andrews looked amazing at the Oscars last night. How old is she?

She's 79. Looking at a recent photo of her, I see lines around her eyes and mouth (and it seems she's kept in fine shape over the years)...guessing no "work" done on her.

She's like Helen Mirren, Sophia Loren. Sweet genes.

Somewhere around here, I have Mary Poppins on vinyl!

I bet she's had work done. She just got it done well. A good job on an older lady will leave lines around the eyes and mouth (that's what they did with my mom), precisely because getting rid of them all looks so unnatural.

Wobbie

shall the OP rename this thread?

Empty Glass

imalive said:

shall the OP rename this thread?

OP couldn't start a "place is dead 3". He went this route.

WhatYouTaughtMe

imalive said:

shall the OP rename this thread?

I still vote for this place is on life support.