Kayla Mueller

Annafalk

This is so tragic and sad. She seemed to be a very good hearted person, she must also have been incredibly brave.
It was interesting to read the letter she wrote to her family, still more concerned for them and their feelings than for herself it seemed.

brianlux

I thinks it's fair to assume that going to some parts of the world is very dangerous. Maybe even going to some parts of America. But Kayla Mueller was a humanitarian aid worker and it just seems impossible to understand why someone who has gone somewhere to give assistance would be help hostage and killed. I'll never understand how another human (or group of human) could become so hateful and evil as to do something like that.

You're absolutely right, bb, we need more people like Kayla Mueller.

HughFreakingDillon

Annafalk said:

This is so tragic and sad. She seemed to be a very good hearted person, she must also have been incredibly brave.
It was interesting to read the letter she wrote to her family, still more concerned for them and their feelings than for herself it seemed.

I was wondering if that was forced. I mean, the blame she put on herself seemed along the same lines as the journalists who were beheaded being forced to say that it was their own fault they were being killed, etc.

The Waiting Trophy Man

paulonious said:

The Waiting Trophy Man said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

sad.

it doesn't pay to try to help anyone over there. all it does is get you killed.

Agreed. The sad thing it is there are so many other places, safer places, where she could have helped people in need. I don't know if it was naivety or what, but she should not have been there. I know she was only trying to do good - the girl had a heart of gold - but that is not an area of the world for a young, American woman to be in. I really hope the stories about her being given as a bride to an ISIS fighter are not true, and that she was treated differently. She was a remarkable young woman.

I don't know if I would go so far as to call this post victim blaming ("she shouldn't have been there"), but it bothers me nonetheless. maybe it's somewhat sexist to say that "that's not an area of the world for a young woman to be". is it a part of the world for a young man to be?

my apologies if I'm mis-reading your post. I just don't think it does any good to make comments saying that a woman has no place somewhere and that if she wanted to do good, she should have left the bad places to the men.

from the article I read, she was not naive at all. she put herself in harm's way all the time for the greater good. she was doing the work she set out to do. good for her.

I didn't mean to come across as sexist, but I see how you could interpret it that way. I don't think it's an area for any man or woman - especially American - to be. It's too dangerous. Americans are public enemy #1 in that region. But you're right, she was not naïve. I stand corrected. She did go to other dangerous parts of the world because she was brave and cared so much.

HughFreakingDillon

does anyone else think it was uncharacteristic of these monsters to grant the request of the family and send pics of her so they could have closure? that to me tells me it's possible they were telling the truth, that she was killed in a bombing, not by them.

HughFreakingDillon

The Waiting Trophy Man said:

paulonious said:

The Waiting Trophy Man said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

sad.

it doesn't pay to try to help anyone over there. all it does is get you killed.

Agreed. The sad thing it is there are so many other places, safer places, where she could have helped people in need. I don't know if it was naivety or what, but she should not have been there. I know she was only trying to do good - the girl had a heart of gold - but that is not an area of the world for a young, American woman to be in. I really hope the stories about her being given as a bride to an ISIS fighter are not true, and that she was treated differently. She was a remarkable young woman.

I don't know if I would go so far as to call this post victim blaming ("she shouldn't have been there"), but it bothers me nonetheless. maybe it's somewhat sexist to say that "that's not an area of the world for a young woman to be". is it a part of the world for a young man to be?

my apologies if I'm mis-reading your post. I just don't think it does any good to make comments saying that a woman has no place somewhere and that if she wanted to do good, she should have left the bad places to the men.

from the article I read, she was not naive at all. she put herself in harm's way all the time for the greater good. she was doing the work she set out to do. good for her.

I didn't mean to come across as sexist, but I see how you could interpret it that way. I don't think it's an area for any man or woman - especially American - to be. It's too dangerous. Americans are public enemy #1 in that region. But you're right, she was not naïve. I stand corrected. She did go to other dangerous parts of the world because she was brave and cared so much.

gotcha.

it seems that canada is moving up the ladder in the public enemy race. which I find a tad scary.

backseatLover12

What I find scary is that there are many tours right now for college students who are Jewish to travel to Israel. A fellow co-worker has kids who are college students and qualify for a (technically) free trip to the Middle East to explore their heritage, and they are going soon (I don't know the specifics, but anyway). I really worry about young people going to the Middle East either on holiday or as aids, since they're in such a dangerous area, especially being American.

HughFreakingDillon

I wouldn't go over there if you paid me. just like I wouldn't go to Great Britain to explore my heritage if that shit was happening there either. My dad had a couple cousins that went to live in Lebanon in the 80's to "do God's work". The entire family was scared shitless that they'd come home in body bags. Luckily, they came back years later in one piece.

badbrains

backseatLover12 said:

What I find scary is that there are many tours right now for college students who are Jewish to travel to Israel. A fellow co-worker has kids who are college students and qualify for a (technically) free trip to the Middle East to explore their heritage, and they are going soon (I don't know the specifics, but anyway). I really worry about young people going to the Middle East either on holiday or as aids, since they're in such a dangerous area, especially being American.

That's the safest place in the entire Mid East.

backseatLover12

badbrains said:

backseatLover12 said:

What I find scary is that there are many tours right now for college students who are Jewish to travel to Israel. A fellow co-worker has kids who are college students and qualify for a (technically) free trip to the Middle East to explore their heritage, and they are going soon (I don't know the specifics, but anyway). I really worry about young people going to the Middle East either on holiday or as aids, since they're in such a dangerous area, especially being American.

That's the safest place in the entire Mid East.

Maybe so. Regardless, the entire region is not where I'd travel anytime soon.

Annafalk

I get so angry when I think of journalists and aid workers getting in the claws of monsters like that.
They should be prevented from travelling to areas with high risk.