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badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
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In case you guys didn't know her. Here's an article about Kayla. Please read about this courageous human. World needs more like her. RIP

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/02/11/world/middleeast/parents-of-kayla-mueller-isis-hostage-confirm-she-is-dead.html?_r=0
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    Very sad.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Very sad indeed - watching her aunt speak this morning broke my heart. You could see how loved she was and how highly they thought of her.

    I hope she didn't suffer too much at the hands of her murderers.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    Hey BB, post a happy story. Talk about a Debbie downer.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    what a shame & fucking sad
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Last-12-Exit said:

    Hey BB, post a happy story. Talk about a Debbie downer.

    I would love to Scott. Unfortunately these days there are far to many sad stories. I promise I'll post something positive and up beat before the night is done. That I will do. This lady needs to have her story told. She needs people to know about her and not the fucken kardashians.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    sad.

    it doesn't pay to try to help anyone over there. all it does is get you killed.
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  • The Waiting Trophy ManThe Waiting Trophy Man Posts: 12,158
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    sad.

    it doesn't pay to try to help anyone over there. all it does is get you killed.

    Agreed. The sad thing it is there are so many other places, safer places, where she could have helped people in need. I don't know if it was naivety or what, but she should not have been there. I know she was only trying to do good - the girl had a heart of gold - but that is not an area of the world for a young, American woman to be in. I really hope the stories about her being given as a bride to an ISIS fighter are not true, and that she was treated differently. She was a remarkable young woman.
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Dude, did u read the article? The freed hostages said that she wasn't sexually abused. I know Isis are the devils on earth, but let's not add more false info into these fucked up stories from the Middle East.
  • The Waiting Trophy ManThe Waiting Trophy Man Posts: 12,158
    edited February 2015
    Yes I did. The article was written on the 10th. The next day it was reported that she may have been given as a bride to ISIS, although it is still unconfirmed. Which is why I said that ai hoped the rumours weren't true. The freed hostages don't know what happened to her after they were freed.
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    But yet we'll speculate that they gave her away as a bride. No evidence but we'll just say that it happened.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Does that sort of thing happen often? Boko did it I think. I don't know, but if so, then it is worth speculating on. No reason to jump to concconclusion though. Think about Chapel Hill BB, even in the absence of evidence it's within speculative reason to question the possibility of anti-Muslim motive, because there is a clear history of such actions in America.
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    The Waiting Trophy Man said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    sad.

    it doesn't pay to try to help anyone over there. all it does is get you killed.

    Agreed. The sad thing it is there are so many other places, safer places, where she could have helped people in need. I don't know if it was naivety or what, but she should not have been there. I know she was only trying to do good - the girl had a heart of gold - but that is not an area of the world for a young, American woman to be in. I really hope the stories about her being given as a bride to an ISIS fighter are not true, and that she was treated differently. She was a remarkable young woman.
    I agree that this is a great benevolent young lady but she put herself squarely in harms way.Was this a ministry type outreach mission or was it just her ,a backpack ,and a heart of gold ?
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    rgambs said:

    Does that sort of thing happen often? Boko did it I think. I don't know, but if so, then it is worth speculating on. No reason to jump to concconclusion though. Think about Chapel Hill BB, even in the absence of evidence it's within speculative reason to question the possibility of anti-Muslim motive, because there is a clear history of such actions in America.

    I hear ya, but you have fellow hostages pretty much saying they treated her great, which we all hope was the case. Either way, no matter how we look at it, it sucked all around. Another human killed for no reason. When will it all stop?
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    edited February 2015
    badbrains said:

    rgambs said:

    Does that sort of thing happen often? Boko did it I think. I don't know, but if so, then it is worth speculating on. No reason to jump to concconclusion though. Think about Chapel Hill BB, even in the absence of evidence it's within speculative reason to question the possibility of anti-Muslim motive, because there is a clear history of such actions in America.

    I hear ya, but you have fellow hostages pretty much saying they treated her great, which we all hope was the case. Either way, no matter how we look at it, it sucked all around. Another human killed for no reason. When will it all stop?
    It won't.too many stupid evil people in this world.Blinded by the dogma of their religions.Christians,Muslims,Jews,Wacko cultists.All the same on this front.
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    To be fair, we can add atheist to that list too. Since they are implying this killer in chapel hill is an atheist. I did hear that right?
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,987
    atheism is not a religion.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,987
    The Waiting Trophy Man said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    sad.

    it doesn't pay to try to help anyone over there. all it does is get you killed.

    Agreed. The sad thing it is there are so many other places, safer places, where she could have helped people in need. I don't know if it was naivety or what, but she should not have been there. I know she was only trying to do good - the girl had a heart of gold - but that is not an area of the world for a young, American woman to be in. I really hope the stories about her being given as a bride to an ISIS fighter are not true, and that she was treated differently. She was a remarkable young woman.
    I don't know if I would go so far as to call this post victim blaming ("she shouldn't have been there"), but it bothers me nonetheless. maybe it's somewhat sexist to say that "that's not an area of the world for a young woman to be". is it a part of the world for a young man to be?

    my apologies if I'm mis-reading your post. I just don't think it does any good to make comments saying that a woman has no place somewhere and that if she wanted to do good, she should have left the bad places to the men.

    from the article I read, she was not naive at all. she put herself in harm's way all the time for the greater good. she was doing the work she set out to do. good for her.

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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    paulonious said:

    atheism is not a religion.

    It is if all the atheists gather to affirm their beliefs or practice ritualized behaviors among many other things- which they don't.

    I'm not sure where the idea sprang regarding aetheism as a faith, but it's not a legitimate idea at all.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,987
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    paulonious said:

    atheism is not a religion.

    It is if all the atheists gather to affirm their beliefs or practice ritualized behaviors among many other things- which they don't.

    I'm not sure where the idea sprang regarding aetheism as a faith, but it's not a legitimate idea at all.
    I don't know either. the absence of faith is a faith? it's really kind of silly.

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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Scientism lol that's an atheists religion
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  • AnnafalkAnnafalk Posts: 4,004
    This is so tragic and sad. She seemed to be a very good hearted person, she must also have been incredibly brave.
    It was interesting to read the letter she wrote to her family, still more concerned for them and their feelings than for herself it seemed.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    I thinks it's fair to assume that going to some parts of the world is very dangerous. Maybe even going to some parts of America. But Kayla Mueller was a humanitarian aid worker and it just seems impossible to understand why someone who has gone somewhere to give assistance would be help hostage and killed. I'll never understand how another human (or group of human) could become so hateful and evil as to do something like that.

    You're absolutely right, bb, we need more people like Kayla Mueller.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,987
    Annafalk said:

    This is so tragic and sad. She seemed to be a very good hearted person, she must also have been incredibly brave.
    It was interesting to read the letter she wrote to her family, still more concerned for them and their feelings than for herself it seemed.

    I was wondering if that was forced. I mean, the blame she put on herself seemed along the same lines as the journalists who were beheaded being forced to say that it was their own fault they were being killed, etc.

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  • The Waiting Trophy ManThe Waiting Trophy Man Posts: 12,158
    paulonious said:

    The Waiting Trophy Man said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    sad.

    it doesn't pay to try to help anyone over there. all it does is get you killed.

    Agreed. The sad thing it is there are so many other places, safer places, where she could have helped people in need. I don't know if it was naivety or what, but she should not have been there. I know she was only trying to do good - the girl had a heart of gold - but that is not an area of the world for a young, American woman to be in. I really hope the stories about her being given as a bride to an ISIS fighter are not true, and that she was treated differently. She was a remarkable young woman.
    I don't know if I would go so far as to call this post victim blaming ("she shouldn't have been there"), but it bothers me nonetheless. maybe it's somewhat sexist to say that "that's not an area of the world for a young woman to be". is it a part of the world for a young man to be?

    my apologies if I'm mis-reading your post. I just don't think it does any good to make comments saying that a woman has no place somewhere and that if she wanted to do good, she should have left the bad places to the men.

    from the article I read, she was not naive at all. she put herself in harm's way all the time for the greater good. she was doing the work she set out to do. good for her.

    I didn't mean to come across as sexist, but I see how you could interpret it that way. I don't think it's an area for any man or woman - especially American - to be. It's too dangerous. Americans are public enemy #1 in that region. But you're right, she was not naïve. I stand corrected. She did go to other dangerous parts of the world because she was brave and cared so much.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,987
    does anyone else think it was uncharacteristic of these monsters to grant the request of the family and send pics of her so they could have closure? that to me tells me it's possible they were telling the truth, that she was killed in a bombing, not by them.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,987
    The Waiting Trophy Man said:

    paulonious said:

    The Waiting Trophy Man said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    sad.

    it doesn't pay to try to help anyone over there. all it does is get you killed.

    Agreed. The sad thing it is there are so many other places, safer places, where she could have helped people in need. I don't know if it was naivety or what, but she should not have been there. I know she was only trying to do good - the girl had a heart of gold - but that is not an area of the world for a young, American woman to be in. I really hope the stories about her being given as a bride to an ISIS fighter are not true, and that she was treated differently. She was a remarkable young woman.
    I don't know if I would go so far as to call this post victim blaming ("she shouldn't have been there"), but it bothers me nonetheless. maybe it's somewhat sexist to say that "that's not an area of the world for a young woman to be". is it a part of the world for a young man to be?

    my apologies if I'm mis-reading your post. I just don't think it does any good to make comments saying that a woman has no place somewhere and that if she wanted to do good, she should have left the bad places to the men.

    from the article I read, she was not naive at all. she put herself in harm's way all the time for the greater good. she was doing the work she set out to do. good for her.

    I didn't mean to come across as sexist, but I see how you could interpret it that way. I don't think it's an area for any man or woman - especially American - to be. It's too dangerous. Americans are public enemy #1 in that region. But you're right, she was not naïve. I stand corrected. She did go to other dangerous parts of the world because she was brave and cared so much.
    gotcha.

    it seems that canada is moving up the ladder in the public enemy race. which I find a tad scary.

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  • backseatLover12backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    What I find scary is that there are many tours right now for college students who are Jewish to travel to Israel. A fellow co-worker has kids who are college students and qualify for a (technically) free trip to the Middle East to explore their heritage, and they are going soon (I don't know the specifics, but anyway). I really worry about young people going to the Middle East either on holiday or as aids, since they're in such a dangerous area, especially being American.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,987
    I wouldn't go over there if you paid me. just like I wouldn't go to Great Britain to explore my heritage if that shit was happening there either. My dad had a couple cousins that went to live in Lebanon in the 80's to "do God's work". The entire family was scared shitless that they'd come home in body bags. Luckily, they came back years later in one piece.
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    backseatLover12 said:

    What I find scary is that there are many tours right now for college students who are Jewish to travel to Israel. A fellow co-worker has kids who are college students and qualify for a (technically) free trip to the Middle East to explore their heritage, and they are going soon (I don't know the specifics, but anyway). I really worry about young people going to the Middle East either on holiday or as aids, since they're in such a dangerous area, especially being American.

    That's the safest place in the entire Mid East.
  • backseatLover12backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    badbrains said:

    backseatLover12 said:

    What I find scary is that there are many tours right now for college students who are Jewish to travel to Israel. A fellow co-worker has kids who are college students and qualify for a (technically) free trip to the Middle East to explore their heritage, and they are going soon (I don't know the specifics, but anyway). I really worry about young people going to the Middle East either on holiday or as aids, since they're in such a dangerous area, especially being American.

    That's the safest place in the entire Mid East.
    Maybe so. Regardless, the entire region is not where I'd travel anytime soon.
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