Nice call Carroll.

lolobugg

He cost them the game against my ATL Falcons in 2013 by making boneheaded plays like keeping Lynch out in short yardage situations and then time expired while they were trying to setup a play. If they would've kicked the FG at the end of the first half they would've won the game.
What I think of Carroll.... great motivator/not too good with X's and O's.
at least I hope so since his D coordinator is the Falcons new coach.
hope he was the brains behind the operation. we shall see

F Me In The Brain

lolobugg wrote: »

He cost them the game against my ATL Falcons in 2013 by making boneheaded plays like keeping Lynch out in short yardage situations and then time expired while they were trying to setup a play. If they would've kicked the FG at the end of the first half they would've won the game.
What I think of Carroll.... great motivator/not too good with X's and O's.
at least I hope so since his D coordinator is the Falcons new coach.
hope he was the brains behind the operation. we shall see

Sorry bud, The Pete is very involved in play calling for Defense and is known as a master at halftime defensive adjustments. Very much into the Xs and Os.
He also is known to not be very into the Xs and Os on Offense...and this knowledge is why I keep saying that I think The Pete had little to do with that call. They may have run it past him but he typically weighs in on Go/No Go decisions for 4th downs but he doesnt make the actual play call. (Traditionally) This speaks against him saying to pass with a quick slant rather than run the ball.

It also, unfortunately for you, makes one caution the wisdom of placing too much of their defensive successes at the feet of his D Coordinator. This being stated however, everyone needs to learn from someone. So if his guy learned and is smart on his own as well maybe this was the time he needed to become a great coach.

High Fidelity 2000

2-feign-reluctance wrote: »

Too many armchair NFL analysts, not nearly enough talk about defective vault vinyls.

I love it when people who have never played football in their life think they know what every coach and every player should have done in every game. Ah, sports. I mean, in this case I can understand it. But I think sports fans are pretty funny sometimes with their "we gotta do this" and "we're playing so and so this weekend."

ReleaseMe

Well he truly is the MVP... more power to him for putting the all that faith on Wilson though... and yes, this coming from someone who has not played football

lolobugg

F Me In The Brain wrote: »

lolobugg wrote: »

He cost them the game against my ATL Falcons in 2013 by making boneheaded plays like keeping Lynch out in short yardage situations and then time expired while they were trying to setup a play. If they would've kicked the FG at the end of the first half they would've won the game.
What I think of Carroll.... great motivator/not too good with X's and O's.
at least I hope so since his D coordinator is the Falcons new coach.
hope he was the brains behind the operation. we shall see

Sorry bud, The Pete is very involved in play calling for Defense and is known as a master at halftime defensive adjustments. Very much into the Xs and Os.
He also is known to not be very into the Xs and Os on Offense...and this knowledge is why I keep saying that I think The Pete had little to do with that call. They may have run it past him but he typically weighs in on Go/No Go decisions for 4th downs but he doesnt make the actual play call. (Traditionally) This speaks against him saying to pass with a quick slant rather than run the ball.

It also, unfortunately for you, makes one caution the wisdom of placing too much of their defensive successes at the feet of his D Coordinator. This being stated however, everyone needs to learn from someone. So if his guy learned and is smart on his own as well maybe this was the time he needed to become a great coach.

I was afraid he might be the Defensive guru, well hopefully Quinn learned something from him..
In that case he needs to find a new O coordinator esp if it was the same clown calling plays in the 2013 playoff game. He made Mike Smith seem like a genius at clock management/4th down decision making.

tominzinga

worst call of all time, dont know why its even up for discussion. Literally lost them the superbowl. Idc if they "thought" the worst case scenario was an incomplete pass because the worst case scenario is losing the game, which they did. Hand the ball off.

mcgruff10

Definitely worst call of all time. You go play action with a fade or run that shit right up the middle with one of the best rb s in the league. The prior play he had just picked up huge yardage.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I thought the play calling earlier in the fourth and clock mismanagement on the final drive had more to do with them losing than the questionable play call that sealed their fate.

HesCalledDyer

It's really not even close to being "the worst call in sports history." Relax, people. Had the play worked (which it has a high rate of doing so) no one would even question the call.

Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh

They were gonna have to throw on one of those downs. One timeout, if you run and not get it on the first try you obviously have to burn the timeout. So the next play is going to have to be a pass play, so if it fails, the clock will stop for the final 4th down. Now that would have been high drama. The pass just came one play too early. All that said, the db for the pats made one of the best plays in the clutch i've ever seen.

Last-12-Exit

It's the right call if you 1) play action, 2) you roll wilson out, 3) it's a corner route, and 4) wilson has the option to run it in or throw it away.

The Waiting Trophy Man

Might have been a bad call, but that sure was one of the all-time greatest game-ending plays in SB history.

BinFrog

HesCalledDyer wrote: »

It's really not even close to being "the worst call in sports history." Relax, people. Had the play worked (which it has a high rate of doing so) no one would even question the call.

This.

AND a huge part of the whole play is Wilson's hesitation and lack of commitment. Yes, his received didn't attack the route, but Wilson still had him and could have hit him for a TD or at worst a line of scrimmage tackle. Wilson froze a split second too long and that made all the difference. If he completes that pass for a TD everyone calls the play absolutely gutsy and genius.

PJfanwillneverleave1

1ThoughtKnown

Oh, and for Pete Carroll
Because he sure could have used another one haha

JV130312

For Carroll, the decision to go pass was the right decision as far as his offensive personnel compared to what New England had on the field. There were definite mismatches. 11 personnel against the Pats base defense is a win-win almost every time.

The thing is, the more I watch that last play for Seattle the more I think Belicheck owned it the whole time...

With the clock running down, you might think the Patriots would call time out. For two reasons. 1. They are in a base defense and the Seahawks just came out with a 3 WR set. Advantage: Seahawks. 2. The clock is winding down and it looks like the Seahawks will get an easy score...right? Save some time for Tommy Boy.

However they don't call the timeout. Why? I think Belichick knew the Seahawks were going to pass it there. I think he was baiting them into that play and his players were ready for it. Butler said that they practiced that defense against that play all week. It paid off.

If the Patriots call time out and match personnel, the Seahawks audible to a run against a nickel D and most likely score. Staying in base D and Belicheck is gambling that Carroll will play the percentage and the match ups there and pass.

Belichick owned Carroll there. Out coached him in a major way. It was more a better "play" by Belichick than a bad call by Carroll.

I still think it was a bad call to throw there but understand why Carroll would opt for the play. Butler was just ready for it and broke on the ball like he'd been practicing it all week.

Personally, I would've run Lynch 2 more times and run Wilson once...not in that particular order.

Oh and by the way, the play that Hightower made to shed a block and tackle Lynch...one of the best plays of the game.

1ThoughtKnown

^^ He gets it. BRAVO

Last-12-Exit

I was shocked that he was letting that clock run. Theres more pressure on the pats defense to stop the score than there is on Seattle's offense to score.