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    RKCNDYRKCNDY Seattle, WA Posts: 31,013
    paulonious wrote: »
    RKCNDY wrote: »
    mcgruff10 wrote: »
    Sadly this is the first vault I have zero interest in buying. I really wish pj would have picked another year since we already have 72 quality boots from 2000. Seems like they got a little lazy on this one.

    you do realize that there are only 1500 seats in that theater and you couldn't buy tickets to that show.

    would have been incredible to be at such an intimate show at that stage in their career. My first show was 1993 and it was with 49,999 other people!

    it was an incredible show. I was never able to go to any of the shows in the 90s despite living in Seattle...Bellingham was my first show.
    I would love to get the vinyl signed.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,848
    did you ever see Mad Season or AIC?
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    FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    Side A is pretty bad. Lots of pops and crackles on NAIS and a skip in God's Dice. So far I want a replacement or my money back.
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    RKCNDYRKCNDY Seattle, WA Posts: 31,013
    paulonious wrote: »
    did you ever see Mad Season or AIC?

    no, I lived in the boonies, and had transportation issues. I did see Nirvana, their last Seattle performance. Saw SG at Bumbershoot in 90 something.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,914
    RKCNDY wrote: »
    mcgruff10 wrote: »
    Sadly this is the first vault I have zero interest in buying. I really wish pj would have picked another year since we already have 72 quality boots from 2000. Seems like they got a little lazy on this one.

    you do realize that there are only 1500 seats in that theater and you couldn't buy tickets to that show.
    fully aware it was a small show. I've had this bootleg for years and it's a average show. There's got to be 20+ shows that are better in 2000 than this one. It would have been nice for them to have picked something from 93 to 96.

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    SaravaSarava Naperville, IL Posts: 1,998
    derbydave wrote: »
    Sarava wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, what did these vault 4 vinyls originally cost including shipping?
    US Order:
    PEARL JAM - BELLINGHAM - 5/10/2000
    VAULT SHOW #4 - VINYL PRESALE
    (6430-VINYL)
    Sub Total: $50.00
    Mail Innovations Standard Domestic Shipping: $12.99
    Total: $62.99

    Thanks! :)

    I didn't have a turntable before, so I didn't order one. I was wondering how much I'm losing by buying on ebay now. It's not as bad as I thought.
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    derbydavederbydave Columbus, OH Posts: 11,254
    Sarava wrote: »
    derbydave wrote: »
    Sarava wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, what did these vault 4 vinyls originally cost including shipping?
    US Order:
    PEARL JAM - BELLINGHAM - 5/10/2000
    VAULT SHOW #4 - VINYL PRESALE
    (6430-VINYL)
    Sub Total: $50.00
    Mail Innovations Standard Domestic Shipping: $12.99
    Total: $62.99

    Thanks! :)

    I didn't have a turntable before, so I didn't order one. I was wondering how much I'm losing by buying on ebay now. It's not as bad as I thought.

    Happy to help :-bd
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    lexicondevillexicondevil Bay Area Posts: 1,901
    Shipping packaging was great, but that did nothing for the scratch from edge to label on side A. Poor handling of the records. Overall sound seems a little flat to me.
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    No one's rivalNo one's rival Posts: 241
    Listening to it right now. Sounds great to me. No problems at all.
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    joberschlakejoberschlake Columbus, OH Posts: 1,179
    I heard back from 10c. Here's what they had to say:

    Please break the damaged vinyl into bits, send an image, and we will send replacements.
    10c
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    BIGDaddyWilBIGDaddyWil Michigan Posts: 3,047
    joberschlake wrote: »
    I heard back from 10c. Here's what they had to say:

    Please break the damaged vinyl into bits, send an image, and we will send replacements.
    10c

    Seriously????
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    UnthoughtNameUnthoughtName Posts: 192
    BIGDaddyWil wrote: »
    joberschlake wrote: »
    I heard back from 10c. Here's what they had to say:
    Please break the damaged vinyl into bits, send an image, and we will send replacements.
    10c
    Seriously????

    Can you blame them? I'd want the same thing. This is a small business not getting played by scammers. I know joberschlake isn't a scammer but there have been a few people who always try to take advantage of the system. This is the best measure the 10c can take to make sure people aren't asking for new ones and keeping old ones.

    Asking a customer to return the defective product only costs the company more in shipping.

    I like that they're doing this. Just be thankful they're replacing them and not just offering refunds.
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    jerparker20jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,403
    UnthoughtName wrote: »
    BIGDaddyWil wrote: »
    joberschlake wrote: »
    I heard back from 10c. Here's what they had to say:
    Please break the damaged vinyl into bits, send an image, and we will send replacements.
    10c
    Seriously????

    Can you blame them? I'd want the same thing. This is a small business not getting played by scammers. I know joberschlake isn't a scammer but there have been a few people who always try to take advantage of the system. This is the best measure the 10c can take to make sure people aren't asking for new ones and keeping old ones.

    Asking a customer to return the defective product only costs the company more in shipping.

    I like that they're doing this. Just be thankful they're replacing them and not just offering refunds.

    Completely agree with said comment. I support this idea.
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    Lost In OhioLost In Ohio Posts: 6,773
    edited February 2015
    Assuming only one disc was faulty, people have to be real jabrones to sell ONE disc (the faulty one), get negative feedback and then keep the good disc. Half the flippers probably set up a bogus eBay account anyway.

    It's a shame they're apparently not allowing wall clocks made out of them.

    It hurts but yeah...I guess it's the best solution.

    I wonder if they're comparing pictures. Too bad they're not allowing wall clocks ala Lightning Bolt...or maybe they just didn't mention it?

    I opened my #4. All the discs are present, but I didn't play it. It may be a long time until I do. Heck, my #3 is still sealed...
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    joberschlakejoberschlake Columbus, OH Posts: 1,179
    I completely get it and understand, however at the same time I feel like it shows a lack of trust in fans. I was hoping to get as custom notebook made out of my damaged vinyl. I'm going to small them,. It just hurts so much to destroy vinyl :)
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    BIGDaddyWilBIGDaddyWil Michigan Posts: 3,047
    I had one record of my Sevens set defective. The Ten Club had me send the whole thing back. I could have just exchanged the one defective record. They did not ask me to break up the vinyl. I'm assuming they want a picture of the label, with that destroyed vinyl.
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    joberschlakejoberschlake Columbus, OH Posts: 1,179
    edited February 2015
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    Post edited by joberschlake on
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    2000: Cincinnati, Columbus
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    2004: Toledo
    2006: Cleveland, Cincinnati, Gorge Night 1
    2008: Washington D.C.
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    pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,884
    I don't see the problem with them asking you to break it. I've seen artists ask their customers to tear up artwork and send them a picture prior to them replacing it. Most places will have you return the item.
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    joberschlakejoberschlake Columbus, OH Posts: 1,179
    edited February 2015
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    Post edited by joberschlake on
    1998: Cleveland
    2000: Cincinnati, Columbus
    2003: Cleveland, Columbus
    2004: Toledo
    2006: Cleveland, Cincinnati, Gorge Night 1
    2008: Washington D.C.
    2009: Chicago Night 1, Seattle Night 1, Philadelphia Night 3, Philadelphia Night 4
    2010: Columbus, Indianapolis, Cleveland
    2011: Detroit EV, Chicago 1 EV
    2012: Atlanta
    2013: Chicago, Pittsburgh
    2014: Cincinnati
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    joberschlakejoberschlake Columbus, OH Posts: 1,179
    To the people out there that seem to have 'good' copies. Do you get any popping sounds during the tracks, or does it play clean?
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    2000: Cincinnati, Columbus
    2003: Cleveland, Columbus
    2004: Toledo
    2006: Cleveland, Cincinnati, Gorge Night 1
    2008: Washington D.C.
    2009: Chicago Night 1, Seattle Night 1, Philadelphia Night 3, Philadelphia Night 4
    2010: Columbus, Indianapolis, Cleveland
    2011: Detroit EV, Chicago 1 EV
    2012: Atlanta
    2013: Chicago, Pittsburgh
    2014: Cincinnati
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    MedozKMedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,209
    edited February 2015
    I just noticed in Lost Dogs that someone had some defects like yourself..i guess. And they got "two lots" of replacements and are now trading those for other vinyl.

    So I guess this is what 10C is trying to cut down on by making people break their defective vinyl.
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    MedozKMedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,209
    joberschlake wrote: »
    To the people out there that seem to have 'good' copies. Do you get any popping sounds during the tracks, or does it play clean?
    Mine plays through fine. No noticeable pops, but again its a LOUD concert, not like Beethoven's 9th Symphony....so I may have missed a few.
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    joberschlakejoberschlake Columbus, OH Posts: 1,179
    I just saw that.

    Pretty awesome that one jackass can ruin it for everyone else.
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    2010: Columbus, Indianapolis, Cleveland
    2011: Detroit EV, Chicago 1 EV
    2012: Atlanta
    2013: Chicago, Pittsburgh
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    lolobugglolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNS Posts: 8,192
    oh man, my 2nd disc sounds like Rice Crispies.
    It is gonna break my heart to break the record.
    might have a friend do it for me.

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    jerparker20jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,403
    MedozK wrote: »
    I just noticed in Lost Dogs that someone had some defects like yourself..i guess. And they got "two lots" of replacements and are now trading those for other vinyl.

    So I guess this is what 10C is trying to cut down on by making people break their defective vinyl.

    And I know the same thing happened with the LB replacements.

    My copy has a couple pops here and there, but otherwise it plays great. I guess I look at it as these are plastic items made on antiquated equipment manufactured in large quantities at facilities that are operating at capacity. They all aren't going to be perfect. Personally, I don't mind an occasional pop or crackle here and there. I view it as part of the charm of spinning slabs of wax.
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    BIGDaddyWilBIGDaddyWil Michigan Posts: 3,047
    I wonder when the Ten Club will try and find another manufacture for their vinyl. It's almost not worth for them to keep pressing these unsatisfactory pressings.
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    HobbesHobbes Pacific Northwest Posts: 6,385
    But they do keep changing manufacturers.

    Vault 4- GZ Media in Czech Republic
    LB- URP
    Vault 3- European plant. Maybe The Netherlands.
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    2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,148
    Hobbes wrote: »
    But they do keep changing manufacturers.

    Vault 4- GZ Media in Czech Republic
    LB- URP
    Vault 3- European plant. Maybe The Netherlands.

    Someone said earlier this week they used the same plant for Vaults 3 and 4.
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    BIGDaddyWilBIGDaddyWil Michigan Posts: 3,047
    They'd better ask Uncle Neil for some help, and get them into Pallas.
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    Sirens4Sirens4 Posts: 575
    joberschlake wrote: »
    To the people out there that seem to have 'good' copies. Do you get any popping sounds during the tracks, or does it play clean?

    My copy s are perfect except for some marks /scratches that dont affect playback
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